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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 138065 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Courier-Journal.

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#103523 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry about that.I did not know that you were mentored by both, The 3 Stooges and Meridor.
Dr.s Howard, Fine and Howard had a better grasp of reality than I've seen from you.
Huh-WHAT

Coxs Creek, KY

#103524 May 14, 2013
hi i just want to get the 100,000th post in this thread

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#103525 May 14, 2013
Huh-WHAT wrote:
hi i just want to get the 100,000th post in this thread
Probably the most honestly objective post that's been on here in 2 months.

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Since: Dec 10

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#103526 May 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
There's been PLENTY of archeological evidences that attest to varying aspects of the CULTURES of the times the Bible was written of and about. The BOOK itself is actually one, just the same as would be with something like Mark Twains Tom Sawyer books being written with some of the CULTURAL aspects apparent of the times it was penned in.
Even today-aspects of the same cultural beliefs, traditions and practices still exist, and just because people not might always agree on them, or practice them all the same themselves, does NOT mean that they do NOT exist. Do you need the book to smack you in the head or something to "GET IT"?
What part of that REALITY is so hard to grasp, the world is FULL of DIFFERENT cultures AND beliefs-even two thousand years ago, when Christianity was basically considered a subversive practice, a duck among geese, its existances of customs, often forced into secret places (of which there is MUCH much evidence-SEE:
Goreme Open Air Museum: cave churches with frescoes
Zelve Open Air Museum: an empty cave town with churches
Kaymakli Underground City: the largest underground city
Derinkuyu Underground City: the deepest underground city
Ihlara Valley: the deepest gorge of Anatolia
Uchisar: Roman rock-cut castle
Ortahisar: Roman rock-cut castle
Avanos: center of pottery since the Hittites
Pasabag: mushroom-shaped fairy chimneys, monks valley
Devrent: animal-shaped fairy chimneys, imagination valley
Hacibektas: center of Bektasi sect of Islam
Gulsehir: first settlements in Cappadocia
Forgotten Cave Churches: churches located in the valleys
Caravanserais: 13th century hotels on the silk road)
Why do people like you insist on denying the REALITIES of such? Just because you don't like it or agree with it???
SORRY. That is NOT reality. And that is NOT how AMERICA works either-like it or not!!!!
Yes the bible is much like the fiction books if Twain. They are both fiction. Yes, both have some real places in them, but the events are made up. There maybe a bit of truth in them, like the knowledge of cultures. But does that mean the culture was based upon good things or real gods?

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#103527 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
That is obviously true, but since what he faithfully believes to be comprehensible is emotional, fantastical, illogical and nonsensical, he understands himself to be well qualified to discern it as false.
Well, that would explain the "logic" contortions he goes through while defending his positions.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103528 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Science attempts to explain what it observes in the natural world and is not equipped to explain that which is outside of the natural world
The Bible speaks about the Supernatural or Spiritual world
I think we can agree on that.
Up until the big bang theory was developed,many Scientists believed that the Universe was Eternal,contrary to what is stated in the Bible.
Now,they have evidence that the Universe was created.
As I understand it, according to the BB theory,there was nothing before the creation of the Universe.If there was nothing,then one would have to conclude that something was created from nothing...
If there was something before the Big Bang,how was that something created,was it eternal?
Anyhow,we know that the Universe was created.
According to the BB,the Universe was made up of nonintelligent and nonliving matter.
Somehow this nonintelligent and nonliving matter was able to evolve into intelligent living matter,
a process which Science is not able to explain.
Based on those unexplainable processes,theories have been proposed as to how this MIGHT have occurred.
If the foundation of your theories are based on a process that you are unable to explain,then chances are very good that your theories are inaccurate,,That is called Garbage in,Garbage out.
To me,the idea that a single living cell was able to create itself and that over a period of billions of years was able to evolve into the many different living species contained in our planet, both male and female,independent of each other is absurd,
That our solar system was created from nothing,by nothing is incredulous.
That is 'Science Fiction' at it's best...And I don't believe,nor have any reason to..
When Science and or Evolution is in a position to address those issues,I will be willing to listen.
I am not going to accept that,someday they may come up with an answer.
The current example of which came first,the chicken or the egg,points to the chicken having been created by someone that knew exactly what they were doing,created the chicken and provided it with the means to reproduce after it's own kind and confidently informed it to go out and multiply,after your own kind.
Now,I am sure that the same meaningless cliches will be posted.
I don't understand the laws of nature,or biology and whatever else may come to mind.
There is much I may not understand,but,I am quite able to identify nonsense when I read it.
Again, evolution is not based upon how life was created. You do not try to understand this simple concept. You keep ignoring the point.
By your reasoning, you should supply an answer to where god came from. But you have double standards.

Btw, the "nothing" that is spoke of by science is relative. What some claim about what was before the Big Bang is not actually part of the Big Bang theory. No one really knows or can as if yet show evidence for, what was before the bug bang. But you act as if you absolutely know(god).

The Steven Hawking hypothesis says energy likely existed before the Big Bang. Possibly the energy was eternal.
Energy is not complex like a god, so it is more reasonable that energy preceded everything.

Ironically you assume a complex god came first and you refuse to think life could come from a billion years of natural forces? In fact it was about ten billion years or so if you are counting from the Big Bang. Maybe less if life started on some other planet and came to earth on a inbound rock.

But you show some serious demeaning attitudes towards science yet again, so I really cannot believe you will really look with an open mind at any findings science gets.

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Since: Dec 10

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#103529 May 14, 2013
Religious wrote:
The only Bible is the King James, I've known that my 67 years.
Well then you missed some learning. There are many versions.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#103530 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, huh. Reminds you of a 7th grade retort, doesn't it? The typical tea partier I've come across thinks atheists are all uncouth and despicable "libertards." Go figure.
Iím glad you brought that up ó the tea partiersí preferred and demonstrated anti-intellectual orientation. As we know, most receive their misinformation from Faux, Limbaugh, etc. They listen to incessant contrived extremist stories and do as they are told by dismissing legitimate news sources as MSM or lamestream media (one of those fun tea partier knee-slappers).

Given the dearth of written information geared toward tea partier consumption, itís no wonder that they are such focused listeners. I intend to fill this void by writing a basic extreme right-wing political primer that will be easy for most of them to understand, while observing the integrity of factual presentation and strict adherence to the rules of logic. There will be a lot of colorful illustrations showing characters speaking through caption bubbles and, of course, a fun coloring section. The goal is to enable them to participate in reasonable discussion, including debate, here on Topix.

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#103531 May 14, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that would explain the "logic" contortions he goes through while defending his positions.
You have to wonder. It's hard to picture some of these posters saying "If my science teachers could only see me now," or "I owe my ability to read and write to Mrs. Smith from grade school." What a slap in the face of education - or more like a kick in the crotch.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103532 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Science attempts to explain what it observes in the natural world and is not equipped to explain that which is outside of the natural world
The Bible speaks about the Supernatural or Spiritual world
I think we can agree on that.
Up until the big bang theory was developed,many Scientists believed that the Universe was Eternal,contrary to what is stated in the Bible.
Now,they have evidence that the Universe was created.
As I understand it, according to the BB theory,there was nothing before the creation of the Universe.If there was nothing,then one would have to conclude that something was created from nothing...
If there was something before the Big Bang,how was that something created,was it eternal?
Anyhow,we know that the Universe was created.
According to the BB,the Universe was made up of nonintelligent and nonliving matter.
Somehow this nonintelligent and nonliving matter was able to evolve into intelligent living matter,
a process which Science is not able to explain.
Based on those unexplainable processes,theories have been proposed as to how this MIGHT have occurred.
If the foundation of your theories are based on a process that you are unable to explain,then chances are very good that your theories are inaccurate,,That is called Garbage in,Garbage out.
To me,the idea that a single living cell was able to create itself and that over a period of billions of years was able to evolve into the many different living species contained in our planet, both male and female,independent of each other is absurd,
That our solar system was created from nothing,by nothing is incredulous.
That is 'Science Fiction' at it's best...And I don't believe,nor have any reason to..
When Science and or Evolution is in a position to address those issues,I will be willing to listen.
I am not going to accept that,someday they may come up with an answer.
The current example of which came first,the chicken or the egg,points to the chicken having been created by someone that knew exactly what they were doing,created the chicken and provided it with the means to reproduce after it's own kind and confidently informed it to go out and multiply,after your own kind.
Now,I am sure that the same meaningless cliches will be posted.
I don't understand the laws of nature,or biology and whatever else may come to mind.
There is much I may not understand,but,I am quite able to identify nonsense when I read it.
Yes the supernatural. Some call it the non natural. Some call it, what is not real. Some call it fiction. Call it religion, but no matter what you call it, non if it can be shown to be true.

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Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103533 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, huh. Reminds you of a 7th grade retort, doesn't it? The typical tea partier I've come across thinks atheists are all uncouth and despicable "libertards." Go figure.
I support the Tea Party ... I'm an Atheist... I'm anti death penalty... And I think the American People are Taxed Enough Already..

Which is the basic platform of the TEA party.. as for Libertards, Opinions vary....

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103534 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You have referred to DEUT 13;1-10 Test of false Prophets
In those verses,it is clearly explained the evil effect that false prophets will have on Hebrew society.
For that reason they are to be destroyed based on specific instructions.
If a false prophet arises,he would be aware of the consecuences as applied by the law.
If Jim Jones had lived in those days and the law had been applied ,a lot of lives would have been saved.
Same with David Koresh.
Would I have a problem with that,Absolutely not
I would also,not have a problem with applying the death sentence" Capital Punishment" to any individual or Society who practice' "burning their sons and daughters as a sacrifice to their Gods Deut 12;31.
In my view,Mohammed was a false prophet,probably should have been stoned....
911 may have never occured if he had.
Deuteronomy 13 says nothing of bad deeds the people you are to murder are doing. The only deed it speaks of is "trying to sway you form your god".
By the demands of Deuteronomy, you should kill me for your god. Now do you think this is moral?

I think your views on this post are highly immoral.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103535 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably the most honestly objective post that's been on here in 2 months.
Except he missed by over 3000....

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103536 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You have referred to DEUT 13;1-10 Test of false Prophets
In those verses,it is clearly explained the evil effect that false prophets will have on Hebrew society.
For that reason they are to be destroyed based on specific instructions.
If a false prophet arises,he would be aware of the consecuences as applied by the law.
If Jim Jones had lived in those days and the law had been applied ,a lot of lives would have been saved.
Same with David Koresh.
Would I have a problem with that,Absolutely not
I would also,not have a problem with applying the death sentence" Capital Punishment" to any individual or Society who practice' "burning their sons and daughters as a sacrifice to their Gods Deut 12;31.
In my view,Mohammed was a false prophet,probably should have been stoned....
911 may have never occured if he had.
You seem to forget Jim jones and Koresh were both Christians.
Huh-WHAT

Coxs Creek, KY

#103537 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Except he missed by over 3000....
Some were deleted or double posts - yours is 99,041

so exciting!!!

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#103538 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I support the Tea Party ... I'm an Atheist... I'm anti death penalty... And I think the American People are Taxed Enough Already..
Which is the basic platform of the TEA party.. as for Libertards, Opinions vary....
Sadly the majority if tea party members are also creationists. Kind of makes you wonder if they are the best thinkers in politics.

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Earth

#103539 May 14, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Iím glad you brought that up ó the tea partiersí preferred and demonstrated anti-intellectual orientation. As we know, most receive their misinformation from Faux, Limbaugh, etc. They listen to incessant contrived extremist stories and do as they are told by dismissing legitimate news sources as MSM or lamestream media (one of those fun tea partier knee-slappers).
Given the dearth of written information geared toward tea partier consumption, itís no wonder that they are such focused listeners. I intend to fill this void by writing a basic extreme right-wing political primer that will be easy for most of them to understand, while observing the integrity of factual presentation and strict adherence to the rules of logic. There will be a lot of colorful illustrations showing characters speaking through caption bubbles and, of course, a fun coloring section. The goal is to enable them to participate in reasonable discussion, including debate, here on Topix.
Nothing like having lofty goals. You do realize that they're going to eat the crayons and you can't give them water color paints because they'll think it's Kool Aid.

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#103540 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I support the Tea Party ... I'm an Atheist... I'm anti death penalty... And I think the American People are Taxed Enough Already..
Which is the basic platform of the TEA party.. as for Libertards, Opinions vary....
Bah. That smoke screen is not the driving impetus behind the Tea Party. I support some of the Tea Party ideas, but I reject many of them as serving special interests and deep pockets. Same with the Republican and Democratic "platforms" that neither party actually stands for or behind anymore. I think that government officials should be held more accountable for their actions, not less.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103541 May 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Deuteronomy 13 says nothing of bad deeds the people you are to murder are doing. The only deed it speaks of is "trying to sway you form your god".
By the demands of Deuteronomy, you should kill me for your god. Now do you think this is moral?
I think your views on this post are highly immoral.
First of all,as you know,we are not bound by the old testament.
I try to live my life according to the teachings of Jesus,as you also know
In your case,I would do what Jesus taught.
As he was led to his death on the cross by unbelievers,he did not clamor for their death.
"Forgive them Father,for they know not what they do"
Based on his teachings,I would ,and have done do the same you....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103542 May 14, 2013
Huh-WHAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Some were deleted or double posts - yours is 99,041
so exciting!!!
My Last Post Number was #103537.... Which is a fixed Tag ID for the post....

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