Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,094

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#100523 Apr 22, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I like the rest of it too!
John
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, who receive honor one from another, and
seek not the honor that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is
[one] that accuseth you,[even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for
he wrote concerning me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my
words?
I like this parable,very appropriate as to why Pharissees refused to believe in him,In spite of the miracles that Jesus performed in their midst,which they could not deny,but attributed the\m to Beelzebub
The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him,‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied,‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered,‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied,‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said,‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him,‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100524 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
That is correct. Homosexuality is a sin. It doesn't matter what the government says about it. God made his stance known very famously in the OT.
However, like most sin, people can turn from their sin and be forgiven.
God made his stance? Really or was that a supposed prophet speaking for what he thought god wanted just as Brigham did?
Did you question your holy ghost on that?
The only difference in the two claims is, one made it into a holy book people claim is perfect.
Now lets talk about why following a holy book that people think is perfect is as problematic as following a prophet you think has an ear to a god?
Oh, and their is quite a lot of things in the OT that Christians no longer think is gods wishes. Pick and chose.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100525 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Acting as if I know it is a sin is a problem? What?
See my last post.
How can you really know what is a sin? Do you blindly trust the words of the prophets or are you using some other measure?
If you do the former, then your earlier posts are a lie.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100526 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry I missed this one. Please, tell me all about your time as a Mormon
I was brought into the church by my stepmother as a preteen.
I asked her why the church did not allow black people, she could not find an answer. She did not agree with the policy.
Of course they officially did allow black persons in the church, but none came due to the ideas of Brigham.
This made me question everything about the church. I think eventually it lead to me questioning all prophets. Thus all the claims in the bible.
I already explained some of this to you, but it seems you just answer parts of questions, so I assume you do not even read whole posts. You answered none of the question you just responded to.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100527 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry I missed this one. Please, tell me all about your time as a Mormon
Let me rephrase the question you skipped. What took so long for you or anyone in your church to question Brigham's policy?
I questioned it but no one really cared. Guess I was not high enough in the hierarchy. I was just a kid, but knew enough in those days that treating black people as lessors in such a manner was just wrong. No need of a holy ghost to tell me this.

Now I question the concept of homosexuality being a sin. Do you?
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100528 Apr 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not on a pedestal. I didn't state that I praise much of anything, but you do. Your "entitleMental" remark indicates that you have Malthusian tendencies - and the movement most closely associated with that particular evil is the Tea Party.
IF you subscribe to that ideology, THEN you are not in alignment with any of your self-professed saintliness.
You have a problem with a third electorial party?

Too bad...get used to it-they've (third parties)have been around a LONG, long time.

And as for the rest-I don't believe in ABUSES of the system.

And these days, there are many and that's why it's BROKE(N).

I do realize however, those statements are defining of my OWN perspective in that NOT everyone is a jackboot political party licker, and NOT everyone abuses the system(s) and that type of ideology of thinking for ones self based upon actual characteristics of expected repreesentations via MERITOCRACY, rather than mindless bobbleheadness, is offensive, to jack bootlickers!

Too bad for you again.

You'll get used to it, or not. Either way, NOT my problem, stumpy!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100529 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>But your prophet did the opposite of moving forward to learn. He put forth an idea that lasted in your church for over a hundred years that is immoral.
Point being, if your prophet is not leading you to learn, then dump the idea that a prophet has the ear of god.
But clearly you refuse to admit this could be possible. Just as Muslims refuse to believe Mohammad was the true prophet.
Followers in your church were disabled from learning how to be open to the idea black persons were not cursed black skin for a hundred plus years. What of them?
And again, one big lump is exaggerating the situation. Your church did not even keep up with government. It is pretty sad when someone who claims a moral authority is behind in morality.
How can you keep avoiding answering these charges?
Correction.
Just as Muslims refuse to believe Mohammad was (not) the true prophet.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100530 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you worry every second about Boston? I can see by your posts, the answer is no. So why be hypocritical?
Do you have to take the gum out of your mouth when you ask a question of anyone, and then even try and answer it for them? No? If no, perhaps you should, and actually THINK for a second, before you do post something so..duh..again?

Answer: I worry about the infiltration and frequency of such vile, barbaric, maniacal acts of hatred against humanity.

So you're wrong because, Yes, although I do not count the seconds in between times, I worry, as I find the anarchy of terrorism to be loathesome.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100531 Apr 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Revelation has no place in the New Testament and shouldn't have been included. That said, obsessing on all of these Bible verses, somebody is showing they have waaay too much time on their hands and waaay too little cognitive ability. Maybe you should do something productive, curious. Have you thought about taking up knitting or basket weaving? Maybe you can make plywood cutouts of duckies and horsies to sell at Flea World.
="ChromiuMan"]<qu oted text>
Revelation has no place in the New Testament and shouldn't have been included.

A fool is wise,in his own eyes.Now,we have the Atheists claiming that they are eminently qualified to determine what books should be contained in The New Testament.

You must be a comedy writer for Jay Leno,that's why they fired him.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100532 Apr 22, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Back when the Internet was first started the churches spread rumors that it was the antichrist. I guess that information at your finger tips is anti christian
DOLT shows he has no clue lol.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100533 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, in the real world we call that a hierarchy ladder.
If a prophet is no more important than a Deacon, then why did your church follow the immoral ideas of Brigham as if he were the big boss?
Is this like a "Who Is Bill Gates for a quarter" catergory?

Since: Aug 10

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#100534 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>But your prophet did the opposite of moving forward to learn. He put forth an idea that lasted in your church for over a hundred years that is immoral.
Point being, if your prophet is not leading you to learn, then dump the idea that a prophet has the ear of god.
But clearly you refuse to admit this could be possible. Just as Muslims refuse to believe Mohammad was the true prophet.

Followers in your church were disabled from learning how to be open to the idea black persons were not cursed black skin for a hundred plus years. What of them?

And again, one big lump is exaggerating the situation. Your church did not even keep up with government. It is pretty sad when someone who claims a moral authority is behind in morality.

How can you keep avoiding answering these charges?
I thought I had answered them pretty plainly.
Moses screwed up and caused the Hebrews 40 years of torture wandering around a wilderness. Yet several religions still revere him as one of the greatest prophets ever.
Prophets are people. They mess up too.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#100535 Apr 22, 2013
Bible will never be in school. Church and state are to be seperate and always will be.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#100536 Apr 22, 2013
The ignorance of religies, apparent in every post they make.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100537 Apr 22, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have to take the gum out of your mouth when you ask a question of anyone, and then even try and answer it for them? No? If no, perhaps you should, and actually THINK for a second, before you do post something so..duh..again?
Answer: I worry about the infiltration and frequency of such vile, barbaric, maniacal acts of hatred against humanity.
So you're wrong because, Yes, although I do not count the seconds in between times, I worry, as I find the anarchy of terrorism to be loathesome.
I also worry about it, and I feel anyone promoting belief in the supernatural is promoting what the terrorist believe in. The idea of believing prophets can lead one to believe false and immoral ideas without critical thought, as in the case of Mormons following Brigham Young's ideas for a hundred years without question.
I do not think any Muslims are here debating us, so I feel to harp on it directly is not putting focus in the best direction.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100538 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I had answered them pretty plainly.
Moses screwed up and caused the Hebrews 40 years of torture wandering around a wilderness. Yet several religions still revere him as one of the greatest prophets ever.
Prophets are people. They mess up too.
So if prophets are just people, then why follow their commands as if they were words from a god? Did god say homosexuality is an abomination or was that just another flawed human some called a prophet?

And yes, many still think Moses was great, so what is your point? BTW, I do not think the bible says Moses killing the followers was a mistake.

Since: Aug 10

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#100539 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Still waiting for you to tell me the point of having an ear to god if you are such an epic failure to ask fundamental questions? BTW, clearly no one in the church was inspired by the holy ghost to find that Brigham was wrong for over a hundred years.
Sorry, but the track record of your church proves your concept a failure.
It is only human nature for followers of a religion to follow the leader. So if you put a leader on such a high pedestal as your church does, it is inevitable such problems will exist. Thus proving your church to not be true to its word. The prophet clearly and demonstrably does not have an ear to god, nor a holy ghost.
Keep trotting out these supernatural ways of finding truth and I expect you and your religion to keep making epic failures of moral reasoning.
How do you figure his opinion want much different than almost every other race? Even blacks enslaved blacks. Indians (from India), Hispanics, Europeans, and Asians all viewed blacks as a lesser race. That history is very unfortunate, but accurate, and still carries on today. Our society has focused more on equality in the last hundred years than most countries have yet focused, so our opinions are different now. But put yourself, truly, in the mind frame of 1850.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100540 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I had answered them pretty plainly.
Moses screwed up and caused the Hebrews 40 years of torture wandering around a wilderness. Yet several religions still revere him as one of the greatest prophets ever.
"Prophets are people. They mess up too." So just how do you determine when they are messed up? Again, please tell us how you can know a screwed up prophet did not claim homosexuality is an abomination?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100541 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I fail to see you having a point?
If you claim a moral high-ground or authority as your church does and your prophet supposedly speaks to god, then you have to prove yourself better than the worst of the bunch. So far your church has proved to not even keep up with American governmental standards.
You keep failing to acknowledge this point. You keep answering the same answer even as I pointed out the failure of the answer. What is up with that? Seriously, are you having a hard time understanding this simple concept or are you being stubborn?
I guess you just don't like the answer.
It isn't my job to answer for the mistakes of someone else. I'm not an apologetic either.
I personally believe that Brigham's opinions were expressed, and someone wrote them down in shorthand as best they could, but these opinions never became doctrines of the church for a reason.
God lets us fail sometimes so we learn from it and grow stronger.
I'm sorry you don't like my answers. I'm not going to change them to please you. If you're tired of the same answer, stop asking the same question.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100542 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you figure his opinion want much different than almost every other race? Even blacks enslaved blacks. Indians (from India), Hispanics, Europeans, and Asians all viewed blacks as a lesser race. That history is very unfortunate, but accurate, and still carries on today. Our society has focused more on equality in the last hundred years than most countries have yet focused, so our opinions are different now. But put yourself, truly, in the mind frame of 1850.
All this tells me is that Brigham Young was no prophet of god, he was just an ignorant man. So again, are you ever going to answer the million dollar questions? Why call him a prophet? Why follow anything he says? Why did the church put his ideas in place?
How can you know homosexuality is a sin if prophets are sometimes wrong?

Also, I really think many people were not as bigoted as Brigham in his day. I am sure many were, but not everyone was as ignorant and racist as he.

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