Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148939 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Winter Garden, FL

#99215 Apr 10, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been trying for over a week now to get him to recognize how illogical his argument is. Maybe you'll have better luck....maybe
Neither the theory of Evolution of how life evolved and the Scientific theory of how life came into existence"which science has not been able to explain or duplicate' nor can you explain or duplicate,has been able to refute that which I have experienced personally.That which I have tested and experienceced,I know to be real.
The theories you use to try and convince me that I am wrong,and on which your beliefs are based,completely fail to refute whatI believe to be true,again,based on personal experience.
Neither can YOU refute my beliefs.Therefore your inability to convince me that I am being illogical,,,,For which you have no factual basis,as you have no facts that can contradict what I experienced and can ONLY reject them based on the theories to which you subscribe. Theories are not facts

My beliefs and reasons for my faith ARE NOT BASED ON a THEORY,
but instead on tested factual experiences...

Still in all,I can understand how you feel,as I,at one time ,was an agnostic and once felt the same way as you do now.
As aresult,I consider you an adversay,not an enemy

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99217 Apr 10, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither the theory of Evolution of how life evolved and the Scientific theory of how life came into existence"which science has not been able to explain or duplicate' nor can you explain or duplicate,has been able to refute that which I have experienced personally.That which I have tested and experienceced,I know to be real.
It isn't science's goal to refute your beliefs. The goal of science is to understand (primarily) and to explain (secondarily). That's all. Your beliefs (aside from elections and taxes) are irrelevant.
I know you Christians are hung up on this (pun intended), but you are not being persecuted.
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
The theories you use to try and convince me that I am wrong,and on which your beliefs are based,completely fail to refute whatI believe to be true,again,based on personal experience.
Neither can YOU refute my beliefs.Therefore your inability to convince me that I am being illogical,,,,For which you have no factual basis,as you have no facts that can contradict what I experienced and can ONLY reject them based on the theories to which you subscribe. Theories are not facts
My beliefs and reasons for my faith ARE NOT BASED ON a THEORY,
but instead on tested factual experiences...
I'm not using theories to try to convince you that you're wrong. I'm using simple logic. You reject science because it is incomplete (even though it does have substantial supporting evidence) and you replace it with faith (which has no supporting evidence). That is illogical. I understand that you have strong feelings about this, but that is not the same as evidence. It wouldn't exist in a laboratory nor would it exist in a court of law. It's not evidence. You use terms like "tested factual experiences", but what you've experienced is not evidence it's just something you've felt and have strong emotions about.
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Still in all,I can understand how you feel,as I,at one time ,was an agnostic and once felt the same way as you do now.
As aresult,I consider you an adversay,not an enemy
I guess I would have more respect for you if you were to admit that which everyone else already knows. Faith, by definition, is believing something despite a lack of evidence. Faith, by definition, is illogical.

And, by the way, I am not an agnostic. I am an atheist. To some there's no distinction. And it may be semantics, but I do not believe there is a god.
Nothing makes nothing

Flemingsburg, KY

#99218 Apr 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope... I base my views on Evidence and long years of study.... At any moment I will set aside any of my views with a single piece of new validated evidence that can be verified and tested.... No Belief required...
Right-all that takes is just to believe everything you read as FACT ! Wow- You are a nutty professor for sure.Three little Pigs is a good book to begin with.
Christofacism

La Grange, KY

#99219 Apr 10, 2013
the rules Religion are being applied to industry to control the workers and causing Subservient silence in them.
OhWow

Chicago, IL

#99220 Apr 10, 2013
If you want your child taught your religion send them to a school based on it. Not everyone is Christian and not everyone believes what you believe. There's absolutely no reason to want to force it on those who do not want it.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99221 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
Right-all that takes is just to believe everything you read as FACT ! Wow- You are a nutty professor for sure.Three little Pigs is a good book to begin with.
And what does your little analogy say about you and your bible? Or do you not understand what the term "validated evidence" means?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99222 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
Right-all that takes is just to believe everything you read as FACT ! Wow- You are a nutty professor for sure.Three little Pigs is a good book to begin with.
Better fairy tales and nursery rhymes like "Three Little Pigs" than indoctrination propaganda that is taught as "fact." It's far more conscionable to have kids read Hans Christian Anderson or Aesop's Fables than "The Baptist Sunday School Standard Manual" any day - and TWICE on Sundays.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99223 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
Right-all that takes is just to believe everything you read as FACT ! Wow- You are a nutty professor for sure.Three little Pigs is a good book to begin with.
I have proof that your god does not exist, prove that I do not.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99224 Apr 10, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Just to be safe, you might want to steer clear of Iowa, too.
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Vedic_City-...
I ain't skeered
fartknocker

Hyden, KY

#99225 Apr 10, 2013
It takes the rights from the parents to choose a. Specific faith or beleif.5

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#99226 Apr 10, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me respond to what You have suggested in your posting
Jesus taught in parables,as contained in the Gospel of Luike.
His parables contain a hidden meaning,which can not be discerned by human or natural reasoning.He clearly states his reason for teaching that way in Parable of The Sower LUKE 8;5 to 15.
Since he taught in parables,then I have to search for the hidden meaning contained therein.I found that meaning in matt 12;46 to 59 mk3;31 to 35 and luke 8;19 to 21 where Jesus explains the new relationship that we are to have with GOD.
Moreover,if one takes the parable literally, then one would find Jesus,contradicting his own teachings and the word of God See Luke 18;18 to 20.
You state that Human are flawed and I agree. Our flaws are very aptly described by the Apostle Paul
"Romans 1;29 to 31
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful
Now,we can live our lives,having those flaws and attempting,or as you say,having a mind to do the most good for others and avoid doing bad things to them.That is a noble thought,and although our minds urge us to do that,our human nature prevents us from accomplishing it.
Our human nature still continues to be flawed.
So that,as the Apostle Paul stated"That which we would do,we are unable to do, meaning ,Our minds tell us about our flaws and that our actions are wrong,we try to correct them,but are unable to.
In the Gospel of Luke,based on his teachings and parables,Jesus points out the flaws in our human nature and gives us a solution as to how to correct this situation.
When speaking to the Jewish religious leaders of the time,the Lawyers,scribes and the Pharisees,he rightly pointed out their hypocricy and what they needed to do in order to remedy their condition.
They were unable to refute the validity of the truth contained in his teachings,yet,would not accept them.
I understand completely how you feel.I've told you I was once an agnostic and felt toward God as you do..
And,as I have said before,I have tested God's word and Christ's
teachings and have found them to be true.
Would in no way change what I am now,to what I used to be.
Glad you shared your views with me and allowed me the opportunity to respond.
How have you "tested" these magical ideas? Having a warm and fuzzy feeling is not going to get you far in a debate. You need evidence if you are making a claim about reality.

Regarding our nature, there is no reason to distinguish between a "human" nature and any other nature. There is ONLY the human nature to deal with. We are flawed, as I said, but not because of magic. It isn't inherited from a mythological fairy tale. We are flawed because we exist nature and nature is not a perfectionist.

But can do great good and there is no need to invoke magic to explain it.
TruthIs

London, KY

#99227 Apr 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait until you hear my views on the effect of Gravity being a very weak force and the main driver of the universe is the electrical effect and the flow of charged primal particles with mass via the 98% plasma form of universal matter... It's Awsome....
So, you have the the exact math calculations on the BB theory to go with that?

Ah didn't think so.

(quel suprise-NON, anyone who cannot discern, in the beginning there WAS light --only able instead, to nitpick about a few million years!)
Nothing makes nothing

Flemingsburg, KY

#99228 Apr 10, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>I have proof that your god does not exist, prove that I do not.
Well I can PROVE that your evolution experts have changed their mind about creation-and they openly admit that they are not sure of anything. Read:Since its conception, the theory of the Big Bang has been constantly challenged. These challenges have led those who believe in the theory to search for more concrete evidence which would prove them correct. From the point at which this chapter leaves off, many have tried to go further and several discoveries have been made that paint a more complete picture of the creation of the universe.
Recently, NASA has made some astounding discoveries which lend themselves to the proof of the Big Bang theory. Most importantly, astronomers using the Astro-2 observatory were able to confirm one of the requirements for the foundation of the universe through the Big Bang. In June, 1995, scientists were able to detect primordial helium, such as deuterium, in the far reaches of the universe. These findings are consistent with an important aspect of the Big Bang theory that a mixture of hydrogen and helium was created at the beginning of the universe.
In addition, the Hubble telescope, named after the father of Big Bang theory, has provided certain clues as to what elements were present following creation. Astronomers using Hubble have found the element boron in extremely ancient stars. They postulate that its presence could be either a remnant of energetic events at the birth of galaxies or it could indicate that boron is even older, dating back to the Big Bang itself. If the latter is true, scientists will be forced once again to modify their theory for the birth of the universe and events immediately afterward because, according to the present theory, such a heavy and complex atom could not have existed.
In this manner we can see that the research will never be truly complete. Our hunger for knowledge will never be satiated. So to answer the question, what now, is an impossibility. The path we take from here will only be determined by our own discoveries and questions. We are engaged in a never-ending cycle of questions and answers where one will inevitably lead to the other.
COBE continues to search the outer reaches of the universe
DEEP THOUGHTS
It is extremely difficult to separate this subject of science from daily existential pondering. Everyone at some point in time has grappled with the question of why we are here? Some have found refuge in the sheer philosophic nature of this question while others have taken a more scientific approach. These particular wanderers have taken the question to a higher level, concentrating not only on human existence but the existence of everything we know as real.
If you sit and try to imagine the whole of the entire universe it would be mind-boggling. However, science has now told us that the universe is, in fact, finite, with a beginning, a middle, and a future. It is easy to get caught up in the large scale of the issue in discussing years by the billions, yet, this time still passes. As we travel through our own lives here on Earth, we also travel through the life of our universe.
In this chapter, we have made some attempts to explain this journey. It is odd that we will never truly know how it began. We can only speculate and give our best guess. Through our own devices we have been able to produce evidence that these guesses are close to the truth. But centuries from now, will the human race compare us to those who once thought of the Earth as the center of the universe?
GLOSSARY
Baryons-- common particles including photons and neutrinos created
REFERENCES
Literature
Kaufmann, William J., III. Galaxies and Quasars. San Fransisco: W.H. Freeman and Company, 1979.
Silk, Joseph. A Short History of the Universe. New York: Scientific American Library, 1994.
TruthIs

London, KY

#99229 Apr 10, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>I have proof that your god does not exist, prove that I do not.
Not that hateful, vengence filled thing that SOME of y'all try to distort and morph into being as one--or else it've smacked the pure d ignorant out of A Lot of inhumane beings by now!

Why some of y'all just want to get hung up on all that self indulgent- ego tripping, dark age hater crap..is beyond logical sometimes.

That crap just makes nothing but nasty people.
Nothing makes nothing

Flemingsburg, KY

#99230 Apr 10, 2013
Scientist constantly changing their minds-Now openly admit they were wrong ! READ: The theory of the Big Bang has been constantly challenged. These challenges have led those who believe in the theory to search for more concrete evidence which would prove them correct. From the point at which this chapter leaves off, many have tried to go further and several discoveries have been made that paint a more complete picture of the creation of the universe.

Recently, NASA has made some astounding discoveries which lend themselves to the proof of the Big Bang theory. Most importantly, astronomers using the Astro-2 observatory were able to confirm one of the requirements for the foundation of the universe through the Big Bang. In June, 1995, scientists were able to detect primordial helium, such as deuterium, in the far reaches of the universe. These findings are consistent with an important aspect of the Big Bang theory that a mixture of hydrogen and helium was created at the beginning of the universe.

In addition, the Hubble telescope, named after the father of Big Bang theory, has provided certain clues as to what elements were present following creation. Astronomers using Hubble have found the element boron in extremely ancient stars. They postulate that its presence could be either a remnant of energetic events at the birth of galaxies or it could indicate that boron is even older, dating back to the Big Bang itself. If the latter is true, scientists will be forced once again to modify their theory for the birth of the universe and events immediately afterward because, according to the present theory, such a heavy and complex atom could not have existed.

In this manner we can see that the research will never be truly complete. Our hunger for knowledge will never be satiated. So to answer the question, what now, is an impossibility. The path we take from here will only be determined by our own discoveries and questions. We are engaged in a never-ending cycle of questions and answers where one will inevitably lead to the other.

COBE continues to search the outer reaches of the universe

DEEP THOUGHTS

It is extremely difficult to separate this subject of science from daily existential pondering. Everyone at some point in time has grappled with the question of why we are here? Some have found refuge in the sheer philosophic nature of this question while others have taken a more scientific approach. These particular wanderers have taken the question to a higher level, concentrating not only on human existence but the existence of everything we know as real.

If you sit and try to imagine the whole of the entire universe it would be mind-boggling. However, science has now told us that the universe is, in fact, finite, with a beginning, a middle, and a future. It is easy to get caught up in the large scale of the issue in discussing years by the billions, yet, this time still passes. As we travel through our own lives here on Earth, we also travel through the life of our universe.

In this chapter, we have made some attempts to explain this journey. It is odd that we will never truly know how it began. We can only speculate and give our best guess. Through our own devices we have been able to produce evidence that these guesses are close to the truth. But centuries from now, will the human race compare us to those who once thought of the Earth as the center of the universe?

GLOSSARY

Baryons-- common particles including photons and neutrinos created at approximately 10^-33 seconds after the Big Bang

Deuterium-- a heavy isotope of hyrogen containing on proton and one neutron

REFERENCES

Literature

Kaufmann, William J., III. Galaxies and Quasars. San Fransisco: W.H. Freeman and Company, 1979.

Silk, Joseph. A Short History of the Universe. New York: Scientific American Library, 1994. t they actually do not know anything!READ:

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#99231 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
On the contrary my friend, evolution has been taught in schools for many years,so we all have been educated in that fiction- U.S. public schools have always made an effort to stay current with modern science. Since Darwin published his "Origin of the Species" in England in 1859, it can be assumed that public schools in the U.S. began teaching the principles of evolution soon afterward--perhaps within a decade or so.
It is simply fair to teach the bible. But you that swallowed and devoured with over zealous appetites for fairy tale education,are now afraid that this generation will question the nonsense they have been taught about evolution.
I went to school here in the USA. In High School biology I never heard the word "evolution" uttered, even once. It was not mentioned and none of its principles were taught. Instead, my incredible biology teachers had us dissect frogs and answer questions about cell anatomy and osmosis while they played games in the office. Important stuff, no doubt. But no evolution was ever taught to me. My first real encounter with the theory was in college when it was mentioned in one of my science courses.

Up until the late 1800s Creationism was taught in public schools. Darwin's idea was quickly accepted (it is compelling, after all) and most religious people didn't seem to have a problem with it.

The problem now is we have this vocal subset of doofhead Fundamentalists who have decided that the Theory of Evolution is the bane of Jesus. It's dumb, frankly. I think it is a waste of time to even engage Creationists on this topic but for some reason I keep doing it.

Why is it fair to teach the Bible? And in what context? If you mean alongside Evolution in a science room, you are simply and absolutely wrong. The Bible is not science. There is no controversy in science about whether or not evolution takes place. It is a fact of nature. The Theory of Evolution is and will always be a matter of continuing science.

The Bible is not relevant to this. Teaching the Bible in a science class would be like using voodoo to work on your car.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99232 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I can PROVE that your evolution experts have changed their mind about creation-and they openly admit that they are not sure of anything. Read:Since its conception, the theory of the Big Bang has been constantly challenged. These challenges have led those who believe in the theory to search for more concrete evidence which would prove them correct. From the point at which this chapter leaves off, many have tried to go further and several discoveries have been made that paint a more complete picture of the creation of the universe.
Recently, NASA has made some astounding discoveries which lend themselves to the proof of the Big Bang theory. Most importantly, astronomers using the Astro-2 observatory were able to confirm one of the requirements for the foundation of the universe through the Big Bang. In June, 1995, scientists were able to detect primordial helium, such as deuterium, in the far reaches of the universe. These findings are consistent with an important aspect of the Big Bang theory that a mixture of hydrogen and helium was created at the beginning of the universe.
In addition, the Hubble telescope, named after the father of Big Bang theory, has provided certain clues as to what elements were present following creation. Astronomers using Hubble have found the element boron in extremely ancient stars. They postulate that its presence could be either a remnant of energetic events at the birth of galaxies or it could indicate that boron is even older, dating back to the Big Bang itself. If the latter is true, scientists will be forced once again to modify their theory for the birth of the universe and events immediately afterward because, according to the present theory, such a heavy and complex atom could not have existed.
In this manner we can see that the research will never be truly complete. Our hunger for knowledge will never be satiated. So to answer the question, what now, is an impossibility. The path we take from here will only be determined by our own discoveries and questions. We are engaged in a never-ending cycle of questions and answers where one will inevitably lead to the other.
COBE continues to search the outer reaches of the universe
DEEP THOUGHTS
It is extremely difficult to separate this subject of science from daily existential pondering. Everyone at some point in time has grappled with the question of why we are here? Some have found refuge in the sheer philosophic nature of this question while others have taken a more scientific approach. These particular wanderers have taken the question to a higher level, concentrating not only on human existence but the existence of everything we know as real.
If you sit and try to imagine the whole of the entire universe it would be mind-boggling. However, science has now told us that the universe is, in fact, finite, with a beginning, a middle, and a future., yet, this time still passes. As we travel through our own lives here on Earth,
In this chapter, we have made some attempts to explain this journey. It is odd that we will never truly know how it began. We can only speculate and give our best guess. Through our own devices we have been able to produce evidence that these guesses are close to the truth. But centuries from now, will the human race compare us to those who once thought of the Earth as the center of the universe?
GLOSSARY
Baryons-- common particles including photons and neutrinos created
REFERENCES
Literature
Kaufmann, William J., III. Galaxies and Quasars. San Fransisco: W.H. Freeman and Company, 1979.
Silk, Joseph. A Short History of the Universe. New York: Scientific American Library, 1994.
No, YOUR christians have tried to make stuff up about science and evolution. Making false statements.
But from day one scientist have said they do not know. YOU say I do not know or understand so it must be god
Nothing makes nothing

Flemingsburg, KY

#99233 Apr 10, 2013
God probably laughs at all of us,trying to" Disprove God" is as absurd as scientist proving how the earth was made. They say it is billions of years old,yet man in his own imagined infallible egoist way,thinks he can figure it all out! What E G O and self-righteousness!
Who & what books are available to prove any of this insanity of evolution? ;The books would need to be billions of years old !
Either believe in God, or admit that,"We do not believe in God,but we have no idea how everything was created !"
You have a 3rd answer ? Let's hear it.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#99234 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
<quoted text>
Right-all that takes is just to believe everything you read as FACT ! Wow- You are a nutty professor for sure.Three little Pigs is a good book to begin with.
See that's where believing anything in the first place causes people to lose the ability of critical thinking... As you demonstrate... I do not Believe anything I read, Nothing I hear, or anything I see.... I consider it for it's rational conclusion, bounce it against mt own long life of study, verify the data presented over time and then form my own conclusions based on all available data...

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99235 Apr 10, 2013
Nothing makes nothing wrote:
Scientist constantly changing their minds-Now openly admit they were wrong ! READ: The theory of the Big Bang has been constantly challenged.
Yes, it is called scientific process. Theories are challenged and scientist try to prove them wrong. I learned that in the 6th grade.
Please prove that your god exist and created everything, nope no bible verses. let us assume that the big bang theory and evolution is wrong, prove to me that your myths are right

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