"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).
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#128547 Oct 12, 2013
Tinfoil Hat Alert! Two Idiotic Memes The Right Actually Believes Are Really Happening
Two new “Obama’s abuse of power!” memes are racing through the world of digitally generated right wing outrage. One, that exposes the president’s blatant abuse of power by air-lifting a tarp over Mt. Rushmore. The other, the president’s blatant abuse of power by closing the ocean! Cover a mountain with a sheet and close the ocean? Sounds completely insane, doesn’t it? Not if you’re a conservative.
BLATANT ABUSE OF POWER #1
A depiction of military choppers draping a tarp over the faces of those carved into Mt. Rushmore. The caption sometimes seen accompanying the photo reads,“Obama ordered this.” Sure he did. This couldn’t possibly be just another extremist attempt to take an easily foreseeable consequences of the government shutdown and blow them out of proportion. But hey, why use reason at all right? The sites denouncing Obama’s abuse of power using this or a variation of this picture have received hundreds of thousands of page views and shares. The problem is that people (conservatives) think the picture is real. They actually think Obama put a drape over the monument.
The truth of the matter is there is no abuse of power here. And only an idiot would think that picture is real. The truth is, because of the shutdown, all areas within the federal lands are closed off. That includes the federally owned and maintained viewing areas. Many of which are on the roadways that run through federal property. You can drive through, you just can’t stop and take pictures. Want to get a snapshot? Tell the GOP to reopen the government. Who do you think cleans and polices those viewing areas? The National Monument Fairy?
BLATANT ABUSE OF POWER #2
This is one of the finest examples of the lack of journalistic due diligence I’ve seen in quite some time. Mr. Mike Flynn, fact checking stalwart of Breitbart.com , informed us about President Obama’s most unbelievable abuse of power. As part of Obama’s nefarious to inflict the most amount of pain possible, he’s…shut down the ocean!
Nothing extreme about that headline is there? Unless of course you consider that Florida Bay is a federally owned and protected area off the southern tip of Florida and has the same application of rules to it as say, a South Dakota monument carved into a mountainside. This ‘news article’ has received hundreds of thousands of views. There are over 10k comments. People are pissed. And for what? For what some propagandist hack throws a toddler’s tantrum over? This is what Mr. Flynn had to about President Obama’s alleged abuse of power:
“The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban… of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend more resources to attempt to close the ocean, than it would in its normal course of business.
Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you “close” 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?
It’s amazing to me how blown out of proportion this story is.
#128548 Oct 12, 2013
Florida Bay is a relatively small area when you consider the scope of coverage to Florida’s coastal waterways. A literal speck on the map when looking at the coastal areas of the country. The questions proposed are ludicrous. How do you close 1,1oo sq. mi. of ocean? Why do we need to do so? Let’s gain some perspective of the area Mr. Flynn speaks about.
And suddenly, Obama’s “abuse of power” seems like an incredibly stupid claim by easily frightened conservatives.
What gets glossed over is that you can still drive/sail/paddle your boat through the area, you just can’t stop to fish or scuba dive and similar activities. Why? Because if something goes wrong, there’s no one coming to help you. If someone decides to dump raw sewage in the water there’s no one there to stop them. The federal government is shut down, remember?
As with Mount Rushmore, there is no presidential abuse of power here. Florida Bay was closed during the shutdowns of both presidents Bush and Clinton. It’s not like this is a new and unique occurrence.
Be careful what you wish for…
Conservatives were super excited to shut down the government. Now they’re screaming about the reality of what they wanted. This what happens in the real world when you make such stupid choices. Shouting “abuse of power!” and failing to take responsibility for your choices doesn’t lend credence to your argument. Quite the opposite. How is it that Republican leadership doesn’t see that?
A big problem with the way this country operates and it’s use of technology is that people spend more time sensationalizing and distorting an issue then they do actually deciphering and contributing to the solution of it. Centrist, moderate views allow for difference of opinion and the debates and compromises that come with them. Taking things to an extreme only polarizes and infuriates all involved. And when it comes to the shutdown, we are ALL involved. So please, Mr. Republican-at-large, do us all a favor, knock off the ridiculousness of your bogus claims and distortions and sit down at the table. We have work to do. Stop preying on the fears and lack of education of the common low-information citizen. Put away childish things, treat serious issues seriously and fund the government for the next fiscal year all at once with a clean continuing resolution (CR).
lmao, I bet the chemtrail serb has a stock of Reynolds wrap since she sucks the chemtrail fogs in cali. hahaha
These repukes are such idiots. They are the conspriracy experts eh? hahahaha
RIP GOP CONS
#128550 Oct 12, 2013
GOP Voters, Business Interests, And Governors Are Abandoning Congressional Republicans
As the government shutdown enters its eleventh day and the nation races towards a possible default, a growing number of Republican lawmakers, leaders, and voters are publicly blaming Congressional Republicans for the budget impasse. Though they fault President Obama for failing to negotiate with Congress, as the public mood sours, some within the GOP are hurriedly distancing themselves from the mess in Washington.
“It’s time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process,” former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu (R) told the Associated Press. Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) agreed, remarking on Monday that “This is not how we should operate. It shouldn’t be about people fighting and yelling.’“The bottom line is we need that money in our economy to save rural hospitals and jobs in the rural areas,” Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) told the Arizona Daily Star on Thursday, criticizing the GOP’e effort to defund the Affordable Care Act.
The criticism comes as an Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed that “three-quarters of Republicans nationally said their party in Congress deserves a moderate degree or most of the blame for the shutdown” and a NBC/Wall Street Journal survey reported that just 24 percent of Americans now have a favorable view of Republicans — the lowest figure in the poll’s history. Seventy percent of Americans say Republicans are putting politics ahead of the national interest and have an increasingly dim view of Tea Party backed Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT), who orchestrated the current impasse.
In yet another sign of trouble for the GOP, business interests are also showing signs of discontent, signaling a possible rift with Republicans ahead of the 2014 mid-term elections.
Iowa Republicans “are recruiting a pro-business Republican to challenge six-term conservative Rep. Steve King (R), a leader in the push to defund the health care law,” the Associated Press reports and party establishment leaders in Michigan are threatening to recruit and fund challengers to Rep. Justin Amash (R) and other Tea Party aligned candidates.
Meanwhile, Republican governors — some of whom questioned the wisdom of shutting down the government over Obamacare in the first place — are scrambling to deal with sudden shortage of federal dollars in their states.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R)“has ordered the state pay 244 federally-reimbursed employees who support the National Guard” and has committed to “funding federal programs like SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) and WIC (Women, Infants and Children) through the end of October.” Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) has declared a state of “civil emergency” and warned that “our federally funded state employees may have to be laid off.”
A report released earlier this week found that the shutdown is disproportionately affecting Republican-leaning states like Virginia, Alaska, and Alabama, which have higher concentrations of federal employees and federal contracts.
I don't blame them from running from their loser party. Run GOP run...
I love it when they eat their own.
RIP GOP CONS
#128551 Oct 12, 2013
Going out for #T2SDA !!!
#128552 Oct 12, 2013
Noone cares. Goodbye, good riddance. We know you are going to take your afternoon nap and sleep it off. Have nightmares. Don't forget to give us a report of all those truckers blocking DC. hahahaha
lmao@)8~D> batshit crazy loon
Ft Mitchell, KY
#128553 Oct 12, 2013
:-D kinda like how they run from here!
The only voters who agree and back elected republicans are the low IQrs here! That's funny, don't care who ya are.
Explains alot doesn't it? The blind leading the stupid right off the 2014/2016 cliff.
#128554 Oct 12, 2013
Like the lemmings they are. lmao
#128555 Oct 12, 2013
Cognitive Dissonance and the Republican Denial of Reality
There’s not a day that goes by where I don’t walk away from reading some of the comments I get on Forward Progressives or Right Off A Cliff and wonder to myself,“What must reality be like on whatever planet Republicans seem to live on?”
Because it damn sure isn’t the same planet, or in the same reality, where I live.
These are the people who claim to be the party for “fiscal responsibility,” yet haven’t had a president from their own party balance the budget since President Eisenhower who served over a half-century ago. Hell, Ronald Reagan (the man many of them champion as the epitome of conservatism) drastically grew our deficits and our national debt during his time in the White House.
Tell me again how that’s being “fiscally responsible?” I still don’t get that.
These are also the people who call themselves “Christians” while condemning the poor, vilifying the needy then supporting policies that perpetuate greed and selfishness. All things which are direct contradictions to the values for which Jesus Christ lived and ultimately died for. Yet millions of these people still continue to believe themselves to be “Christians” basically because they oppose abortion, same-sex marriage and attend church frequently. Two things which Jesus Christ never even spoke about, and church being something he did warn people to be wary of as often times people speak of God to benefit their own selfish ambitions.
And don’t even get me started on their stance as the party for “small government.” They love government. They constantly support big government when it benefits something they support or oppose. They only really oppose government when it goes against their ideological beliefs.
Now we have this government shutdown, where somewhere in the delusional minds of Republicans they believe they’ve been given some kind of mandate that allows them to shut down our government in a pointless attempt to stop “Obamacare.”
Never mind the fact that President Obama was overwhelmingly re-elected or that Democrats were given more seats in both the House and the Senate — somehow, Republicans think the “American people have spoken” and have given them a mandate.
Well, the American people did speak. They re-elected the man who signed the health care bill into law and gave more seats back to the party which supports the law.
Then as John Boehner sits there, refusing to let the House vote on a clean version of the Senate’s resolution which would reopen the government (he’s simply saying there aren’t enough votes—though refuses to prove it) they still blame the shutdown on President Obama and Democrats.
Yet they really can’t answer how it’s their fault if Boehner won’t let the House vote.
#128556 Oct 12, 2013
But none of this really matters to Republicans, and there’s an easy answer as to why. See, most of them suffer from what’s known as cognitive dissonance. To put it simply, cognitive dissonance is the brain’s inability to handle two conflicting realities, so it creates an alternate one which often defies actual reality.
The first time I heard this term was in reference to abusive relationships and how individuals somehow convince themselves that abuse equates to love. While to an outsider the abusive behavior is a complete contradiction to love, the person being abused creates some alternative form of reality in their minds where they deserve the abuse. They feel it’s justified. They love the person abusing them, want to believe that they love them back, but the abuse completely contradicts these feelings. Therefore, their mind simply creates some delusional reality where “abuse” and “love” seemingly go together.
That’s how I view most Republicans. What they want to be real doesn’t correspond to what is real, therefore instead of facing the stark reality that their whole political ideology is wrong, they’ve simply concocted some alternate form of reality where facts, science and history don’t matter.
They’ll scream at the top of their lungs that “Obama is the worst president in history!”
yet can’t tell you any factual reasons why. Sure, they can spout off a bunch of right-wing talking points taken directly from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, but they can’t actually recite much of anything factual.
Many will stare you straight in the face and tell you that President Obama made the economy worse, while ignoring the fact we’ve created around 7 million jobs in the last 3 1/2 years.
Republicans will blast President Obama for his spending, while ignoring the fact that year to year deficits have been reduced by their largest margins since WWII.
They’ll talk about how “Obamacare” is a failure, yet can’t list 5 factual statements about the health care law.
Patriotism is a word they often use, just before they talk of secession whenever they don’t get their way.
They’re simply suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. The reality they wished existed doesn’t, therefore they’ve simply created an alternate reality where their rhetoric makes sense.
You’re fiscally conservative—while running up giant deficits.
You’re for small government—except all the times when you want government to support your side of the argument.
You’re a patriot—while talking of secession and revolution whenever the Constitution doesn’t support your ideology.
You’re for the Constitution—yet that same Constitution rarely supports your policies.
You’re against the government shutdown—even though many members of your party had been calling for one.
You’re a Christian—while supporting policies which contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You’re for the middle class—by supporting policies which screw them over for the benefit of the rich.
You’re against government programs—while living off government programs.
You’re against people on welfare—while you live in a state that takes in more federal dollars than it pays out.
The list could honestly go on and on. The absolute hypocrisy within the Republican party is rampant and seemingly endless.
And the simple explanation is that many of then suffer from cognitive dissonance. What they want to be real isn’t, therefore the only way their brains can handle such conflicting events is by creating a version of “reality” that doesn’t make sense or exist.
Which is exactly what many of them have done.
What a fantasy world they live in. They need to get into the real world. haha They do suffer from cognitive dissonance among other things. hahaha
RIP GOP CONS
#128557 Oct 12, 2013
Jon Stewart Slams Republicans, Says What a lot of Americans Have Been Saying for Years
I always joke how it’s kind of sad that some of the best news I get comes from Comedy Central, but that often seems to be the case. I guess people like Jon Stewart do have a distinct advantage over traditional journalists in that he can often say whatever he wants.
Well, he took to the airwaves to take a direct shot at something myself, and many other Americans, have been saying since Republicans began attacking “Obamacare.”
What the hell is your alternative?
Stewart went directly at this blind Republican hatred of “Obamacare” by pointing out the fact that while Republicans are quick to bash the health care law, they offer absolutely no alternatives. They just sit there whining and complaining about the law, doing everything they can to obstruct it, but if you ask any of them what their alternative is to fix our health care system—I doubt you’ll get any answers.
He also went on to remind people of the asinine comment made by Mitt Romney during last year’s presidential campaign when the former GOP presidential candidate said that we already had health care for poor people — it’s called “the emergency room.”
Stewart’s exact words were:
“If you have a better program, Republicans, let’s fucking hear it! But don’t make your plan,‘What do we need food stamps for when we already have dine and dash?’”
Very “eloquently” put, if I do say so myself.
But he’s absolutely right. Before the Affordable Care Act, the emergency room was seen by millions as their “health care plan.” Hospitals all across the country budgeted for millions of people they knew they’d provide treatment for, yet never receive any form of payment from. And do you think they simply absorbed these costs? Of course not. Those expenses were then passed on to people who did pay through higher health care premiums and cost of treatments.
So when someone like Romney said that the ER was an option for poor people, he put his ignorance on full display as to just how expensive emergency room visits are and just how much impact millions of people using them as their sole means of health care has on those who end up footing the bill.
And while you might not like the Affordable Care Act, it was clear before it was signed into law that something needed to be done about a health care system that desperately needed some sort of positive makeover.
So here we are with “Obamacare” rolling out to millions and Republicans still bitching and moaning about how horrible the law is. Yet, over 3 1/2 years after it was signed into law by President Obama, Republicans still have no alternative if the law were to actually be repealed.
It’s just more of the same right-wing rhetoric about how terrible the law is, with no plan to replace it.
But then again, isn’t that what the Republican party is all about? No real plans for anything, just a whole lot of rhetoric. I mean honestly, this is what their entire “economic ideology” essentially consists of:
◾Cut taxes for the rich
◾Cut spending for the poor
That’s basically it. Neither of which are really “plans” as much as they’re really just bumper stickers and campaign slogans. They’re failed theories that make for great talking points—and that’s about it.
And with health care they’re no different. They can talk until they’re blue in the face about the evils of “Obamacare”(most of what they say being blatant lies, by the way), but you’ll find very few Republicans that actually have any sort of plan to replace it.
So while Republicans have done a masterful job at working their supporters into a fearful frenzy of hate, anger and paranoia about “Obamacare,” most conservative voters have forgotten to ask one very simple question:“What’s the Republican plan to replace it?”
#128558 Oct 12, 2013
Which is a question Republican politicians can’t answer, because the truth is—they don’t have one.
There you go jboy, get all giddy over this one. Loser freak.
Ft Mitchell, KY
#128559 Oct 12, 2013
Regan is the biggest joke ever as far as a president..... Trickle Down economics and these low IQrs ate that big of bag of shit up them too.
It's amazing how stupid republicans are.... They've been ignorant for decades..... Look at both Bushes...... They thrive on republican voters stupidity and these imbeciles just march in step and do as their told.
And BoneHead holding up a vote on something that was sure to pass is crazy!! They can't comprehend how damaging that is to our country and I'm guessing its probably illegal.
#128560 Oct 12, 2013
Talk about DENIAL...that's the repukes
Republicans Deny President Obama Was Ever Re-elected, Believe 2012 Never Happened
Over a week into the government shutdown, patience has grown thin with many Americans. As millions of American lives face uncertainty with the antics going on in Congress, leading Congressional Republicans made a startling revelation into why they believe they’re in the right as it relates to the government shutdown.
It seems they don’t recall President Obama ever being re-elected. In fact, many of them seem unable to recall that there was even a presidential election held on November 6, 2012.
When Speaker of the House John Boehner was asked why he feels Republicans have the right to hold our government hostage even after President Obama overwhelmingly won re-election, he seemed confused, asking,“Who was re-elected? I don’t recall that happening.”Obamacare” is bad, the American people have spoken.”
Following his statement, another reporter responded by asking,“If the American people have spoken, wouldn’t that mean they support “Obamacare?” You know, considering that on November 6, 2012, President Obama was re-elected and Democrats were given more seats in the House and Senate.”
Boehner replied,“What happened on November 6, 2012? Was there something going on that night I wasn’t made aware of?”
Looking confused and flabbergasted, reporters then turned to Texas Senator Ted Cruz to see what he had to say. Considering he was elected to the Senate for the first time that night, he surely had to be aware that the 2012 elections happened and President Obama was overwhelmingly re-elected.
One reporter asked Cruz,“How have the American people spoken out against “Obamacare” if they re-elected President Obama, while also giving more seats back to Democrats in both the House and Senate?”
Cruz, with a puzzled but cocky look on his face walked to the podium and addressed the question, saying,“On November 6, 2012 the American people spoke clearly when they elected me the next senator from Texas. The rest of this liberal propaganda about some “overwhelming” victory for President Obama seems like something the communists want you to believe. The American people have rejected President Obama and his radical “Obamacare” as made evident by the fact that the government is shut down and I am a United States Senator.”
Somebody else stood and said,“Boehner not letting the House vote on the Senate’s resolution is why the government’s shut down, not because the people have rejected anything.”
Boehner responded by saying,“There aren’t enough votes in the House to pass the Senate’s resolution.” The person then asked Boehner to prove it, to which Boehner replied,“No.”
Rand Paul was also in attendance, and stood to say,“I’m confused as to what you people mean when you say President Obama was overwhelmingly re-elected. When did this happen?”
Looking totally confused, most reporters simply stayed silent. That is until someone from Fox News decided to ask a question directed at both Cruz and Paul:”So, last November when absolutely nothing happened except for you two fine gentlemen becoming senators by some magical process that didn’t include any sort of national elections, what do you think the American people were saying?”
Cruz quickly replied,“That they were rejecting Obamacare.” Paul agreed by saying,“Yes, it was a unanimous rejection of Obamacare.”
One reporter rose in anger, shouting,“Then why did the American people re-elect President Obama and give more power back to the Democrats in Congress?!”
Cruz looked on for a moment in silence, glanced over to Paul and Boehner and finally said,“We really have no idea what you’re talking about.”
Now, did this press conference actually happen? Of course not. But I believe it’s a fairly accurate mocking of the delusion that’s currently going on in the minds of many Republicans.
#128561 Oct 12, 2013
Last November President Obama, running with the promise of fully implementing “Obamacare,” was overwhelmingly re-elected president. Not only that, Democrats gained seats in both the House and the Senate. Yet despite these facts, Republicans seem to feel that they were given some kind of mandate to shut down our government in a feeble attempt to stop the Affordable Care Act.
It’s as if they either don’t care about our elections or are simply in denial that they ever happened. It’s as if these clowns don’t understand that if the American people were really rejecting “Obamacare,” Mitt Romney would be president—not Barack Obama.
And whether or not Republicans want to act like it, elections do matter. While there is no doubt that millions of Americans oppose “Obamacare”(mostly due to the blatant lies that have been continually told by Republicans), they had their chance to elect Mitt Romney and failed to do so.
Instead, through our voting process given to us by our Constitution, President Obama was re-elected.
It just seems Republicans either don’t care or seem to want to pretend that the presidential election held on November 6, 2012 never happened.
But it did, and that night the American people spoke loud and clear when they re-elected President Obama and gave more seats in Congress to the Democratic party.
And that’s the funny thing about reality — just because Republicans want to pretend that neither of those events ever happened, doesn’t mean that they didn’t.
Ignorant teabagging repukes in their fantasy world. They will continue to deny in 2014/2016. Get ready. hahaha
#128562 Oct 12, 2013
So true. Lucky for the country that bunch of uneducated shiteaters is the MINORITY. They will comprehend the damage come elections. Can't wait. Every day they lose more and more voters. They are the best poster idiots for DEM votes. I love it. It's PRICELESS
Guess the losers here are off playing in the sandbox with the loon. They sure ran off didn't they. I bet ari is just sorting socks. haha
#128563 Oct 12, 2013
Hey old timer - I know you're Alzheimer's is kicking in, but it's spelled Reagan and not Regan. Although I wouldn't expect any less from a left wing nut with no education. You're talking about the Bush family when we have crazy Joe Biden in office. Typical liberal backwards thinking.
(shouting because of his hearing) I SAY TYPICAL LIBERAL BACKWARDS THINKING.
“Heaven doesn't want me.”
Since: Jul 13
Hell's afraid I'll take over.
#128564 Oct 12, 2013
Hey RC Co-Cola, Tab!
Glad you're here, RC. Just got off the phone with a relative who commented about how she thought the ACA was "all messed up", so I asked her why she thought that. She rattled off a couple of regressive lies she's been told, which I promptly corrected. By the end of the conversation, she had a whole different view! Some of the things I was able to clue her in about came from your posts, so thanks!
I see you're still the object of Jethro's affection, Tab...lol. I noticed that when RC logged on he pulled out all the stops...err, socks ;)
Good articles, RC. After doing quite a bit of reading last night, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's the Repubs in the Senate that put an end to this mess. If you haven't seen it yet, check out Susan Collins'(R-Maine) proposal. The House Repubs may end up being left out of the solution entirely.
#128565 Oct 12, 2013
Hey Fox News. Still spreading the liberal shit I see (with your typical liberal sentence structure)- "uneducated shiteaters IS the minority" LOL. But I have to admit you represent the typical liberal on here LOL.
Don't forget to post comments on other Topix boards as Fox News - don't want to get your liberal mind all confused and twisted. Lol
#128566 Oct 12, 2013
...and what a COINCIDENCE.... lol
Ft Mitchell, KY
#128567 Oct 12, 2013
:-D I made it clear to my stalker how weird it is for a man (use that term loosely for him lmao) to constantly post to me while using my name. He can't comprehend in his small little feeble republican mind how odd that is. But it's fun to make him jump thru hoops and make him look like the idiot he is.
Ignoring him when he posts his infatuations with me makes him post more..... I just hold the hoop higher and laugh at him.:-D
They're so stupid they'll jump thru the hoop over and over. Pure ignorance at its best.
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