US Is Not A Christian Nation
Historian

La Fayette, KY

#80 Jan 23, 2013
Oh, and Rob,

The name of the Islamic holy book is transliterated Qur'an or al-Qur'an and up until recently was most often Anglicized as Koran.

A Quarn, if I remember my days of watching Star Trek when I was a kid correctly, was some sort of Klingon animal.
Rob

United States

#81 Jan 23, 2013
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong here.
John Quincy Adams and Frankling Pierce were sworn in on law books.
Lyndon Johnson used a missal, a book of instructions for conducting Roman Catholic mass.
Theodore Roosevelt was not sworn in on anything. He simply raised his right hand and repeated the oath of office.
Thank you for the correction, I left that open didn't I? The original post was about using a religious book other than the bible to be sworn in, that is what I was responding to, but you are also correct in your post.
Rob

United States

#82 Jan 23, 2013
Historian wrote:
Oh, and Rob,
The name of the Islamic holy book is transliterated Qur'an or al-Qur'an and up until recently was most often Anglicized as Koran.
A Quarn, if I remember my days of watching Star Trek when I was a kid correctly, was some sort of Klingon animal.
you're helpful to have around :)
Phony

Pikeville, KY

#83 Jan 23, 2013
A nation that allows the wholesale murder of it's young in the womb, promotes gays and gay marriage and all sorts of filthy lifestyles, has taken the 10 commandments and prayer out of school and at school events is not by any stretch of the imagination a christian nation.
Exactly

Cynthiana, KY

#84 Jan 23, 2013
Phony wrote:
A nation that allows the wholesale murder of it's young in the womb, promotes gays and gay marriage and all sorts of filthy lifestyles, has taken the 10 commandments and prayer out of school and at school events is not by any stretch of the imagination a christian nation.
The nonsense wouldn't have had to be removed if it had never been placed there in the first place by a bunch of bible thumpers. There is no problem with you believing in just whatever you want, but to try to push the nonsense on innocent children is immoral. When they get old enough to decide if they want to follow fictitious nonsense then push all you want.
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#87 Jan 23, 2013
Phony wrote:
A nation that allows the wholesale murder of it's young in the womb, promotes gays and gay marriage and all sorts of filthy lifestyles, has taken the 10 commandments and prayer out of school and at school events is not by any stretch of the imagination a christian nation.
get a job deadbeat chevy.
bob

United States

#88 Jan 23, 2013
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, I'm not here to be one of those ram it down your throat guys, you are free to believe your ancestors slithered out from the primordial sea and evolved into what you are today if thats what you choose. But let's pause a minute and consider who a group of Anglo Saxon men only a few years removed from England, ruled by the Church of England at the time were referring to when the began the Bill of Rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...
Pretty sure the only creator they could have been referring to was Jesus.
That's the preamble to the Declaration of Independence, not the Bill of Rights. Either way, why would Thomas Jefferson (the "they" you blindly refer to), who was a Deist, have been referring to Jesus? He wasn't Christian. The language was intentionally vague. "They" could have just as easily said "Jesus," and saved a little ink, if that's what "they" meant.

People who don't know the Puritans from the Founders, or the Declaration of Independence from the Bill of Rights, have no business trying to discuss history. This is elementary school material.
sayyy whaaaattt

Holden, WV

#89 Jan 23, 2013
Phony wrote:
A nation that allows the wholesale murder of it's young in the womb, promotes gays and gay marriage and all sorts of filthy lifestyles, has taken the 10 commandments and prayer out of school and at school events is not by any stretch of the imagination a christian nation.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage.

For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste.
wtf

Clay City, KY

#90 Jan 23, 2013
sayyy whaaaattt wrote:
<quoted text>
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage.
For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste.
nehasbee n never will be.
wtf

Clay City, KY

#92 Jan 23, 2013
Never has been, never will be.
btw

Cantonment, FL

#93 Jan 23, 2013
slimy littlefuckpig
wtf wrote:
Never has been, never will be.
whyGodstilllovesyouIdonotknow
Historian

Paducah, KY

#94 Jan 23, 2013
Exactly wrote:
<quoted text>The nonsense wouldn't have had to be removed if it had never been placed there in the first place by a bunch of bible thumpers. There is no problem with you believing in just whatever you want, but to try to push the nonsense on innocent children is immoral. When they get old enough to decide if they want to follow fictitious nonsense then push all you want.
If an atheist had not gone to court and gotten religion removed from the public schools, one sect or another of Christians (or the Jews) would have had to. In the 19th century, as the big influx of Roman Catholic immigrants was underway, many Protestants were worried that Roman Catholic ideas would be taught to their children in the schools. Jews had the same concern, except were afraid that the public schools would be used to try to convert their children to one form or another of Christianity. In Utah in the early 20th century non-Morman parents were afraid that Mormanism would be taught to their children in the public schools.

That idea of protecting one's children from religious teaching different from that of their parents is more relevant today than it was back then. I can just imagine the uproar if a public school teacher who was a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist, or some other "foreign" religion was allowed to conduct religious instruction in his or her classroom.
wtf

Clay City, KY

#95 Jan 23, 2013
btw wrote:
slimy littlefuckpig<quoted text>whyGodstilllovesyouIdo notknow
FLighty little Fairy.

lmao
btw

Cantonment, FL

#96 Jan 23, 2013
scruffy dogsucking turdswoggler
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>FLighty little Fairy.
lmao
LOL@onetrickpony
wrong

Elkhorn City, KY

#97 Jan 23, 2013
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, I'm not here to be one of those ram it down your throat guys, you are free to believe your ancestors slithered out from the primordial sea and evolved into what you are today if thats what you choose. But let's pause a minute and consider who a group of Anglo Saxon men only a few years removed from England, ruled by the Church of England at the time were referring to when the began the Bill of Rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...
Pretty sure the only creator they could have been referring to was Jesus.
by creator they could have meant one of many creators ppl have worshiped thru history too. just cuz u think that creator is jesus dont mean that it is. if i recall the bible correctly jesus is the son of the creator anyway so jesus could in no way be the creator they are talkin about cuz he didnt create anything.
Big Cat

Richmond, KY

#98 Jan 23, 2013
Shut up stupid wrote:
<quoted text> They may recognize god as the almighty creator but, most don't follow what the bible teaches. If people all over the world followed what "GOD" intended for us to do the world would be free of poverty, hunger, and greed. We know that wont happen!
Because of sin, the world can never be free of those things.
Big Cat

Richmond, KY

#99 Jan 23, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>If Muslims founded this Country there might not have been Slavery.
And you would be wearing a turbin and your name would be Al-WTF.
ertyertyerty

London, KY

#100 Jan 23, 2013
That's true because the Constitution was the first in history to separate government from religion.
Never Was wrote:
Never was and never will be.
bah

London, KY

#101 Jan 23, 2013
That's your opinion that it's his opinion. Thanks Captain Obvious.
Question wrote:
<quoted text> hat's your opinion.
ttrrrrrtwert

London, KY

#102 Jan 23, 2013
The "In God We Trust" motto was not offically adopted until the 1950s. The motto before then, used by the Founders, was "E Pluribus Unum"
Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>You are so wrong and not to bright either. From the time this nation was started on the United States money it has
"In God We Trust". That is one of the reasons why our forefathers left England so we could have freedom of religion. So if you are trying to start an arguement know a little about the subject.

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