unsure

Pikeville, KY

#43 Sep 28, 2009
abc wrote:
Does Dr. Hager accept Medicaid for this program??
I don't know. The federal government was lobbied extensively by inpatient rehabs to try to prevent this medication from coming on the market. The end result was that the federal government imposed patient limits on the physicians, so that each physician is only allowed to treat thirty patients at a time.

After seeing the great need for this medication and the limited number of doctors that are prescribing it, Congress went back and ammended the law so that a physician is now allowed to treat up to one hundred patients; but only after they have offered the program for a year. I know it is silly, as there is no other treatment program or medication that has such limitations placed upon it, but it is the law. It is just part of the federal government's intrusion into the practice of medicine.

I think that the hospital's suboxone program may take medicaid; but I don't know if medicaid pays for the physician. It does, however, cover the medication.
something to ponder

Winchester, KY

#44 Sep 29, 2009
something to ponder wrote:
<quoted text> Oxycontin isn't the problem honey! When will you people learn?! You can take oxycontin off the market and people will abuse other products (just like they are already doing right now!) Personally, I think they should take "drug abusers" off the market...most of them, notice I said "Most" are complete wastes of human space! Let's take them off the market for good! They do not contribute to society or their families, so get rid of them and then the problem would be solved! We need products such as oxycontin to help those people who are good members of society and are suffering greatly. It is sad that people who really need help can't get it because of the the loooozzzers that abuse drugs for fun...what a bunch of dumb asses! I'm sure some of you will think that I have no compassion, well you are wrong! I have compassion for those people who have conditions and diseases that cause unbearable pain and can't get treated because of the jackasses that abuse drugs for the high...I think we should treat drug seekers/abusers as we did those with leprosy, then the problem would be solved!
Again, jude me if you want...but I don't have a drug problem and never have...why??? Because everyday I make the choice NOT TO, period! Again, if a person REALLY wants help, then I would have compassion to help, but sadly...the majority do not really want to change their habits or enviornment! For those of you who truly want help, I commend you and pray that you REALLY make every effort to stay clean and remember that once you are a full blown drug abuser, the choice to stay clean is harder than ever ( I get that) where the choice begins...is before you ever start abusing drugs!
thank u

Irvine, KY

#45 Sep 29, 2009
hope for all wrote:
Go to nwww.addictionsurvivors.com . There is a forum where you can communicate with others, a great deal of educational information and even a live online chat three nights a week. You will need to download a java program in order to do the live chat; but the program is available at the site. Dial up internet does not work well for the live chat; but if you have high speed internet you can participate.
Good luck to you. It sounds like you are going in the right direction as you want to stop using and get in a treatment program. It will give you a renewed hope and can help you get you your life back.
..THANK YOU!
all understand

Pikeville, KY

#46 Sep 29, 2009
something to ponder wrote:
<quoted text> Again, jude me if you want...but I don't have a drug problem and never have...why??? Because everyday I make the choice NOT TO, period! Again, if a person REALLY wants help, then I would have compassion to help, but sadly...the majority do not really want to change their habits or enviornment! For those of you who truly want help, I commend you and pray that you REALLY make every effort to stay clean and remember that once you are a full blown drug abuser, the choice to stay clean is harder than ever ( I get that) where the choice begins...is before you ever start abusing drugs!
Everyone already knows that the best thing is to never start using drugs; but that hasn't happened for so many. The goal now is to find effective treatment so that people can once again be a productive part of society and have a happpy life.
dumb shit corrector

Martin, KY

#47 Sep 29, 2009
And your comment about babies being in the NICU suffering because they had mothers that were on suboxone. You are way off base with that. Suboxone is not even used for pregnant women who are addicted. They are put on subutex and their babies are usually born with no or minimal symptoms of withdrawal.

Hey dumb shit. Suboxone is the generic name for subutex. PMC NICU is overflowing with babies on morphine and phenobarbital whose mom's only took Subutex/Suboxone.
Take your websites and shove em up your ass. I got a website that says Obama is one of the lizard people from "V" believe that too?
topicsreader

Elkhorn City, KY

#48 Sep 29, 2009
just reviewing each topic
info

Pikeville, KY

#49 Sep 29, 2009
dumb shit corrector wrote:
And your comment about babies being in the NICU suffering because they had mothers that were on suboxone. You are way off base with that. Suboxone is not even used for pregnant women who are addicted. They are put on subutex and their babies are usually born with no or minimal symptoms of withdrawal.
Hey dumb shit. Suboxone is the generic name for subutex. PMC NICU is overflowing with babies on morphine and phenobarbital whose mom's only took Subutex/Suboxone.
Take your websites and shove em up your ass. I got a website that says Obama is one of the lizard people from "V" believe that too?
Not sure who you are addressing; but once again you are incorrect. Suboxone is not the generic for Subutex. They are two different medications. Suboxone is buprenorphine plus naloxone and Subutex is just buprenorphine. There is no generic for this medication.

Obviously you have no interest in being educated so the links posted previously are meant for those who are.
tired of druggies

United States

#50 Sep 29, 2009
info wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure who you are addressing; but once again you are incorrect. Suboxone is not the generic for Subutex. They are two different medications. Suboxone is buprenorphine plus naloxone and Subutex is just buprenorphine. There is no generic for this medication.
Obviously you have no interest in being educated so the links posted previously are meant for those who are.
Two links for you brainiacs that think you are taking tic-tacs when you are taking subutex/suboxone. News flash to you all. These drugs are addictive.

1. Stop taking narcotics.
2. Continue taking the narcotics but stay off the roads and quit having children that suffer because of your addiction.
3. Take all the narcotics you can find, but take them all at once. Feel free to juggle knives and practice swimming the river while you do it.

Not looking at this thread or topix anymore, reply if you like, it won't be read by me. I like the juicy who is banging who gossip, but the continual drug thing is sad. If you are hooked, get into a REAL treatment program and then don't buy them anymore. These doc in a boxes are in it to take your money and keep you hooked in perpetuity. They are legal but highly immoral drug dealers. Yes you will keep your buzz, but at the cost of your family, friends and any personal worth your life has.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/world/europ...

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10123/index....
worried

United States

#51 Sep 29, 2009
NEVER SAID THIS BEFOR i need help but im afraid i will get my kids took from me i don't do anythang but loratab and i don't get buzzed off them i don't take handfulls at a time i take one every 4-6 hours for about 2 yrs now i'm sick of spending so much on the crap but if i don't have it i 'm not worth a crap / can't do anything / lay down try to sleep it away but i can't even sleep if i go put myshelf in detox thers know one to watch my kids my husband works theres no way he could take time off besides i know people that has went there @ pikeville hospital stay 5 days get out and start where they left off im afraid to go to a doc. and say i'm a addict can i have some of them suboxone pills i'm afraid they will take my kids from me and i also full as if i'm replacing one drug with another will i have to take suboxone the rest of my life or what hows it work/ how much does it cost/ where do i go to get it
info

Pikeville, KY

#53 Sep 30, 2009
worried wrote:
NEVER SAID THIS BEFOR i need help but im afraid i will get my kids took from me i don't do anythang but loratab and i don't get buzzed off them i don't take handfulls at a time i take one every 4-6 hours for about 2 yrs now i'm sick of spending so much on the crap but if i don't have it i 'm not worth a crap / can't do anything / lay down try to sleep it away but i can't even sleep if i go put myshelf in detox thers know one to watch my kids my husband works theres no way he could take time off besides i know people that has went there @ pikeville hospital stay 5 days get out and start where they left off im afraid to go to a doc. and say i'm a addict can i have some of them suboxone pills i'm afraid they will take my kids from me and i also full as if i'm replacing one drug with another will i have to take suboxone the rest of my life or what hows it work/ how much does it cost/ where do i go to get it
With your relatively low dose of lortabs; I would suggest that you try to start a very slow taper rather than start on suboxone. It sounds as if you are dependent upon them; but not addicted. Addiction is tied to behavior, in that a person will do anything, regardless of the consequences, to get the drugs. You could start by first increasing the length of time between a pill. You will need to do this taper slowly so that you will have less side effects and more likely be successful. Eat right and exercise too while you are doing this as that will help you too.

If you go to www.addictionsurvivors.org you can ask there on their chat forum. Though it is a support forum for those seeking information regarding sub and/or taking sub; I have seen them make the same suggestion to people who are on relatively low doses like you are.

I do wish you the best. You are making the first good step in recognizing that you need to stop doing what you are doing.
hope and grace

Pikeville, KY

#54 Sep 30, 2009
tired of druggies wrote:
<quoted text>
Two links for you brainiacs that think you are taking tic-tacs when you are taking subutex/suboxone. News flash to you all. These drugs are addictive.
1. Stop taking narcotics.
2. Continue taking the narcotics but stay off the roads and quit having children that suffer because of your addiction.
3. Take all the narcotics you can find, but take them all at once. Feel free to juggle knives and practice swimming the river while you do it.
Not looking at this thread or topix anymore, reply if you like, it won't be read by me. I like the juicy who is banging who gossip, but the continual drug thing is sad. If you are hooked, get into a REAL treatment program and then don't buy them anymore. These doc in a boxes are in it to take your money and keep you hooked in perpetuity. They are legal but highly immoral drug dealers. Yes you will keep your buzz, but at the cost of your family, friends and any personal worth your life has.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/world/europ...
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10123/index....
It is sad that you are titilated by the malacious gossip; but think that those seeking help with a problem don't deserve compassion and help unless it is on your terms. Our community is fortunate to have options of treatment for people; since the same approach does not work for everyone.
Curious

Lawrenceburg, KY

#55 Oct 2, 2009
Smell the coffee wrote:
Why are there SO MANY addicts in Pike County?
Let's stop the cycle by answering that question first.
Twenty years ago I did not know of anyone in this area who was addicted to prescription drugs and now it seems half of eastern Ky is on some kind of pain med, nerve pill, muscle relaxant, etc.
ever thought that you didnt know anyone then because it wasnt such a big problem? chances are you did know someone but the narcotic pain killers hadnt been as big of a problem as it is today. oxycontin wasnt found addicting and wide spread throughout eastern kentucky until about 1999 when alot of the teenagers started experimenting with it dont get me wrong people did do them before that it just wasnt so magnified as it is now.. correct me if im wrong pls, but i just think 20 years ago there were more things people were more worried about, aids for example.. and marijuana was the big thing back then..
Curious

Lawrenceburg, KY

#56 Oct 2, 2009
and does anyone know anything about this doctor for the first visits? i have heard several say that if you dont come in with a narcotic in your system you wont get treated. I know for a fact they cant treat you if you have benzos and other stuff in your system. but the first drug screening. do you have to have a narcotic in your system in order to receive treatment? and what is everything they test for? because I will be honest. the only reason I am remotely concidering this kind of treatment is that a close friend of mine gave me a sub to try and see if it helped me. it helped i put it under my tongue and let it dissolve. did wonders. I did not get high but the cold sweats and all the withdrawal symptons were gone. he said he tried snorting one. one time and got sicker than a dog but it did get him high but was a very sickly feeling high as in throwing up every 10 minutes your so high. not something i would like to experience. alot tell me if this drug is taken the correct way it helps but when crushed and not dissolved its a waste.. im tryinog to kick a habit not get another one. my life use to be so smooth and respectful, now downhill. want to bring it back to where it was. thank you. and also whats this i hear about these doctors keeping some people on this medication for 2 or 3 years at a time? that is completely insane. it really is like a crutch. i agree this is a miracle drug.. but.. why replace a narcotic with something your going to be on for another 2 to 3 years then coming off that is going to suck as well. the withdrawal from suboxone must not be that bad huh?
JNL 23

Richmond, KY

#57 Oct 2, 2009
You pay 300 dollars a month at the clinic. Its 300 the first visit as well as the rest of the visits. Drugs are drugs, whether it be, xanax, lortab, oxy's or whatever you may be taking. The clinic treats all these addictions. My first visit to the clinic, I had all the above in my system. When you first go, he gives you a drug test, to actually see whats in your system. They go from there, depending on the levels, they might start you out on 1 suboxone a day, or 2. Like I said depending on your drug level. They eventually raise you on your intake of Suboxone, 3 is the most he usually gives, as a daily dose.
Your first few times of going to the clinic, you have to come in every 2 weeks, to see how you are doing with your medicine, if its working or if you are still taking drugs. You have to call in to the clinic everyday to see if you are going to be drug tested or pill counted that day. How that works is, they give you a color. Like they might give you the color yellow. You would have to call everyday to see if your color is going to be tested that day. Its really a good clinic. They keep you on your toes, With all the drug testing, and pill counting. They also want you to go to meetings. I know that Dr. Hagers clinic has saved my life. I've been going for almost a year now, and haven't done anything besides my Suboxone, and I feel wonderful. I have my life back!
Curious wrote:
and does anyone know anything about this doctor for the first visits? i have heard several say that if you dont come in with a narcotic in your system you wont get treated. I know for a fact they cant treat you if you have benzos and other stuff in your system. but the first drug screening. do you have to have a narcotic in your system in order to receive treatment? and what is everything they test for? because I will be honest. the only reason I am remotely concidering this kind of treatment is that a close friend of mine gave me a sub to try and see if it helped me. it helped i put it under my tongue and let it dissolve. did wonders. I did not get high but the cold sweats and all the withdrawal symptons were gone. he said he tried snorting one. one time and got sicker than a dog but it did get him high but was a very sickly feeling high as in throwing up every 10 minutes your so high. not something i would like to experience. alot tell me if this drug is taken the correct way it helps but when crushed and not dissolved its a waste.. im tryinog to kick a habit not get another one. my life use to be so smooth and respectful, now downhill. want to bring it back to where it was. thank you. and also whats this i hear about these doctors keeping some people on this medication for 2 or 3 years at a time? that is completely insane. it really is like a crutch. i agree this is a miracle drug.. but.. why replace a narcotic with something your going to be on for another 2 to 3 years then coming off that is going to suck as well. the withdrawal from suboxone must not be that bad huh?
abc

Pikeville, KY

#58 Oct 7, 2009
300 cash for the visit or the pills? I am just wondering how much a person would need monthly to go and get everything done.
info

Pikeville, KY

#59 Oct 7, 2009
The office visit is that much. The medication is expensive as it has only been on the market a few years here in the U.S. I think that there may be a generic on the horizon as I believe the protection from competitors ends this Oct. 2009. In order to get companies to do the research and development of a medication that has a more limited market the FDA offers what is called an "orphan drug" classification. It simply means that the drug is offered protection from generics being allowed on the market for a few years. This allows the company some time to try to recoup some of the millions that has gone into research and development of a new medication.

The generic has been available in Europe for years, but is only available in very very small doses. At this point I don't know where generic stands here in the U.S.
horrible

Pikeville, KY

#60 Oct 7, 2009
These clinics are addicting just like everythign else.
maybe you should

Pikeville, KY

#61 Oct 7, 2009
horrible wrote:
These clinics are addicting just like everythign else.
Check the facts before you post stupid remarks.
Urgent and Important

Pikeville, KY

#62 Oct 7, 2009
Did you hear that drug companies are now formulating their products with dangerous chemicals that are inactive when ingested through the stomach, but deadly if snorted or injected? Supposedly this drug problem is on Obama's top priority now since he hasn't really accomplished much else that he promised. There have already been deaths reported from the misuse of these drugs...the companies doing this haven't publicly stated these facts, but the deaths so far have been from hydrocodone. Ask Dr. Hager about it...he will tell you.
OMG

Pikeville, KY

#63 Oct 7, 2009
I just heard about this last week when my friend's brother unfortunately died after using Loratabs. I wonder if this is really going to effect the misuse of these drugs.

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