msha destroying coalmining
Pissed off miner

Lewisburg, WV

#49 Jan 1, 2013
retired fed inspector wrote:
I think several of you folks got it right. I do belive that epitapher has worked in the mines or is a mine owner. I to belive that MSHA is trying to shut the mines down. Look at the Administrator Joe Main where did he come from UMWA need I say more. And msha inspector that is posting on here where did the mine act of 69 ammended 77 give or 30 cfr give you the right to not cite ever violation of part 30cfr. you show a ip address of Kimper. do you work out of the Phelps office for James Hager? Now I will take you folks back to the early 1990 remember the inspectors that went to jail for taking bribes out of the Pikeville Feild Office you should to name a few John Banks, A Crum and ever mine owner down there should remember big Ed the electrical inspector I could go on how ever I figure enough said about the past. Now MSHA hires people that have little or no experance because an inspector doesn't have to be a coal miner they are not classed as such and all they need to know is the regulation that relate to coal mineing. now for the place up at Beckely it is used to park officals that let things happen in their districts and such. hope this helps and o yes to the person that stated you see more when you crawl it true. I will say this never trust in your locale inspector keep notes on him and let him know you keep notes he will keep them on you and will use them on you also. when he gets his note pad out you do the same. it will chill the shi* in him ever time you do.
"Big Indian" Eddie K. spent time for the things he did. Many MSHA inspectors were on the take and I was happy to pay them for not nit-picking my operation out of existance. I would do the same again and told the marshalls in my home that I would not hesitate to pay an inspector who asked.

The Phelps office spawned a devil of an inspector who wanted to be called Tommy. Remember him? I know a man who was nit-picked out of work because he couldn't find a coal haul for two boys. Remember them?

Jessie Cole was a 'piece of work' that got transferred as a token gesture to several families who lost family members out West in a mine fire. One of the victims was a woman.

Elaine Chao's report will forever be a testament to the failures of management in MSHA's ranks.

I have known a few qualified MSHA inspectors, but they had mining experience to help if something happened where they were. The last ones I know have never worked a day underground. It's frustrating.

At least MESA relied on the industry for their inspectors. The department of labor is incapable of a balanced program.
wtf

Richmond, KY

#50 Jan 1, 2013
Pissed off miner wrote:
<quoted text>"Big Indian" Eddie K. spent time for the things he did. Many MSHA inspectors were on the take and I was happy to pay them for not nit-picking my operation out of existance. I would do the same again and told the marshalls in my home that I would not hesitate to pay an inspector who asked.
The Phelps office spawned a devil of an inspector who wanted to be called Tommy. Remember him? I know a man who was nit-picked out of work because he couldn't find a coal haul for two boys. Remember them?
Jessie Cole was a 'piece of work' that got transferred as a token gesture to several families who lost family members out West in a mine fire. One of the victims was a woman.
Elaine Chao's report will forever be a testament to the failures of management in MSHA's ranks.
I have known a few qualified MSHA inspectors, but they had mining experience to help if something happened where they were. The last ones I know have never worked a day underground. It's frustrating.
At least MESA relied on the industry for their inspectors. The department of labor is incapable of a balanced program.
Chao???

Lmfao
Yes Sir

Charleston, WV

#51 Jan 1, 2013
Pissed off miner wrote:
<quoted text>That's as stupid a retort as has ever been posted.
Any experienced underground coal miner who wants to support his family is sickened by such ignorant bull sh*t as you just regurgitated.
Coal miners are not susceptible to being shoved under a rock that's falling. Just how f*cking stupid are you?
The modern day underground coal miner is a PROFESIONAL and decides for himself if a situation is safe or not.
Idiots like you demean the miner by insinuating that he is stupid and is forced to do ANYTHING!
Anyone qualified to speak on the subject would never suggest that a coal miner will risk his life because he is TOLD to.
YOU are a fool who is not the least bit knowledgeable enough to make underground miners appear to be stupid.
Coal miners resent idiots like you suggesting they are idiots without faculties to perform like the professionals they are.
The underground coal miner of today resents an MSHA insector who has never worked a day in his life telling him to tie his boot strings.
I have the ultimate respect for a coal miner and the ultimate disgust for a cowardly POS, who allowed men to die at Sago, telling him how to do something.
Amen brother!
retired fed inspector

Port Republic, VA

#52 Jan 1, 2013
pissoff miner there were 2 tommys in phelp. a hall and griffith. I remember the boys I belive they lived on grapevine. now old jessie was for sure a peice of work. mines on fed creek proved to be his downfall along with fire at massey mine in dist. 4 they parked him at beckely till he retired I guess. phelps use to be called joes district when he was supervisor over there. there were many more supervisor that could be discussed or cussed I guess. oh well there were several good inspectors in that area that did their jobs and tryed to help the coal miners. No operator is going to admitt that there ever was a good inspector. I don't know about todays inspectors I have been out for several years now however it seems that talking to people in the industry that it is like a race to see you can write the most citations a mine during an inspection. maybe safety of the miner is second place now.
Pissed off miner

Lewisburg, WV

#53 Jan 1, 2013
retired fed inspector wrote:
pissoff miner there were 2 tommys in phelp. a hall and griffith. I remember the boys I belive they lived on grapevine. now old jessie was for sure a peice of work. mines on fed creek proved to be his downfall along with fire at massey mine in dist. 4 they parked him at beckely till he retired I guess. phelps use to be called joes district when he was supervisor over there. there were many more supervisor that could be discussed or cussed I guess. oh well there were several good inspectors in that area that did their jobs and tryed to help the coal miners. No operator is going to admitt that there ever was a good inspector. I don't know about todays inspectors I have been out for several years now however it seems that talking to people in the industry that it is like a race to see you can write the most citations a mine during an inspection. maybe safety of the miner is second place now.
I'm sorry to be using two different names, but I can't be "pissed off miner" and make sense on most other threads. I'm normally using "Epitapher" but it makes no difference when truth is spoken.

Tommy Hall was, in my professional opinion, the epitomy of a dirty inspector. He asked an operator to give those twins a coal haul but the operator sold his coal 'in the pit' so had no control over who hauled it. I do know that Tommy started riding the mantrip in every morning and staying all day to ride the man trip back out. He insulted all the miners to the point they all took a day off and went to Pikeville to take up grievance against Hall. Hall was removed the very next day, but it came too late to save the company.

Jesse Cole was seen in every live telecast from Sago. He stood behind anyone the camera was on. Families wanted him to be trying to rescue their trapped miners, but ol Jesse was 'star struck' by himself and didn't even hold meetings with rescuers. That fiasco became a 'body recovery' after countless hours and days of standing outside and doing nothing.

No one can sanely expect a company to totally police itself, but I think states should be furnishing oversight and assistance. The '69 Mine health and safety bill, as ammended in '77, was desperately needed at the time, but it has grown into a huge, bloated and arrogant tool of politicians who would rather see coal fade into the history books.

Didn't Joe eventually get sent to the Logan office?
Henry

Pikeville, KY

#54 Jan 1, 2013
Pissed off miner wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry to be using two different names, but I can't be "pissed off miner" and make sense on most other threads. I'm normally using "Epitapher" but it makes no difference when truth is spoken.
Tommy Hall was, in my professional opinion, the epitomy of a dirty inspector. He asked an operator to give those twins a coal haul but the operator sold his coal 'in the pit' so had no control over who hauled it. I do know that Tommy started riding the mantrip in every morning and staying all day to ride the man trip back out. He insulted all the miners to the point they all took a day off and went to Pikeville to take up grievance against Hall. Hall was removed the very next day, but it came too late to save the company.
Tan Man the Racist homophobic.
Jesse Cole was seen in every live telecast from Sago. He stood behind anyone the camera was on. Families wanted him to be trying to rescue their trapped miners, but ol Jesse was 'star struck' by himself and didn't even hold meetings with rescuers. That fiasco became a 'body recovery' after countless hours and days of standing outside and doing nothing.
No one can sanely expect a company to totally police itself, but I think states should be furnishing oversight and assistance. The '69 Mine health and safety bill, as ammended in '77, was desperately needed at the time, but it has grown into a huge, bloated and arrogant tool of politicians who would rather see coal fade into the history books.
Didn't Joe eventually get sent to the Logan office?
Tan Man the Racist homophobic.
Liberaltreehugge r

Macon, GA

#55 Jan 1, 2013
Go MSHA i can't wait to see all you overpaid morons
Bleeder Line

Winfield, WV

#56 Jan 1, 2013
I know for a fact, Ep was a former coal operator. I`m almost 100% sure i know who Ep is, but that`s beside the point.

I also worked in the coal industry for over 30 yrs in Eastern Ky and Southern Wva before my retirement. I was a foreman for 18 yrs of working career and i also know these inspectors mentioned here.

I recall working as a mind foreman on thee day shift at a small truck mines not far down lower Johns Creek in the late 80`s. Kendrick and another inspector who i won`t name at the moment showed up one morning about 7 or 7:30 give or take. The owner ordered them breakfast at Meta Mart and also lunch, then reach them an envelope before they left about 2 or 2:30, i was told this by my outside man and the owner. They never went inside, and checked nothing that day, and they could have rode no need to crawl.

I`m just saying they are good and bad in everything. If you had to run a mines precisely by federal code, it would be hard to make a profit. When i bossed, i had the belief of safety first. I would never ask a man to do something i would not do myself, many times i cleaned up rock fall for my scoop man because i knew he was a nervous wreck because of the bad top.

I`ll finish by saying they are some good inspectors, 2 come to mind right off. One retired recently and one is still there, the initials of these men are JB and HB.

Thanks, God Bless and Stay Safe.....
Epitapher

Lewisburg, WV

#58 Jan 1, 2013
Bleeder Line wrote:
I know for a fact, Ep was a former coal operator. I`m almost 100% sure i know who Ep is, but that`s beside the point.
I also worked in the coal industry for over 30 yrs in Eastern Ky and Southern Wva before my retirement. I was a foreman for 18 yrs of working career and i also know these inspectors mentioned here.
I recall working as a mind foreman on thee day shift at a small truck mines not far down lower Johns Creek in the late 80`s. Kendrick and another inspector who i won`t name at the moment showed up one morning about 7 or 7:30 give or take. The owner ordered them breakfast at Meta Mart and also lunch, then reach them an envelope before they left about 2 or 2:30, i was told this by my outside man and the owner. They never went inside, and checked nothing that day, and they could have rode no need to crawl.
I`m just saying they are good and bad in everything. If you had to run a mines precisely by federal code, it would be hard to make a profit. When i bossed, i had the belief of safety first. I would never ask a man to do something i would not do myself, many times i cleaned up rock fall for my scoop man because i knew he was a nervous wreck because of the bad top.
I`ll finish by saying they are some good inspectors, 2 come to mind right off. One retired recently and one is still there, the initials of these men are JB and HB.
Thanks, God Bless and Stay Safe.....
I think we worked together on lower John's Creek. Did your electrician pass away unexpectedly at a fairly young age? Does your name "Bleeder line" refer to what was or was not left on one right and you and I sealed off all the right entries before continuing #1 belt and the main headings?
Henry

Macon, GA

#59 Jan 1, 2013
Epitapher wrote:
<quoted text>I think we worked together on lower John's Creek. Did your electrician pass away unexpectedly at a fairly young age? Does your name "Bleeder line" refer to what was or was not left on one right and you and I sealed off all the right entries before continuing #1 belt and the main headings?
Tan Man the Racist Homophobic.
ex coal miner

United States

#60 Jan 1, 2013
The current administration is to Blame in Washington... to kill coal and deter the safety of coal coal miners in explosions and capitilize to further downgrade the coal economy. MSHA was there (atUBB) the day of UBB explosion and let them continue mining. I have been in many different Massey mines before and know the shortcuts they made to do the extraction of the black stuff. But if I knew that my life was in jeapardy then I would have never shown up to work. RIP UBB miners, and all the coal miners before and after who lost their lives over $$ an/ or neglect of responsibility(s) and safety.
Part of the problem wrote:
I agree that MSHA along with the EPA has hurt mining. The problem with MSHA is they are very inconsistent in there views of what is a violation. There is no doubt a war on coal and MSHA is another tool the government uses against us. Mining already gets oversight from the state, so I think each state should be responsible for it's own mining safety, and let MSHA go away.
retired ole schooler

London, KY

#61 Jan 1, 2013
The gov needs to look more into and about the uneducated people that they hire because it is a true statement that 90% of the men or women that they hire to be a inspector or inspectors are in noway capible of doing the proper job that their suppose to do. not to mention no names but i know some in a district that are supposed to be inspectors and they are very uneducated in their job title..they need more training on how to do proper inspections not just give them a pen and paper and turn them loose in a profesional Business and let them act like Barney fifes.. because honest and truely msha makes the coalmining people and the gov itself look stupid!
retired fed inspector

Port Republic, VA

#63 Jan 2, 2013
Epitapher how long did you mine around the Pike Co. area Phelps. I can't remember Joe going to Logan. He retired and a fellow by the name Jerry Taylor replace him then they sent Jerry to Pikeville and Benny Freeman replaced him. The other supervisor in the Phelps office did go to Logan can't remember his name he was bald headed and pulled the hair from around his ears to the top to cover his head. Also EP did the mine you spoke about have a fatal cleanning up a rock fall and the inspector with big ed got a supervisor job in vencins In and was fired and may have spent some time in jail for taking bribe. It could have been John Banks also. the two meniton JB and Hb are they the Belamy Bros. One is Ventilation and the other is Roof Control.
wtf

Richmond, KY

#64 Jan 2, 2013
ex coal miner wrote:
The current administration is to Blame in Washington... to kill coal and deter the safety of coal coal miners in explosions and capitilize to further downgrade the coal economy. MSHA was there (atUBB) the day of UBB explosion and let them continue mining. I have been in many different Massey mines before and know the shortcuts they made to do the extraction of the black stuff. But if I knew that my life was in jeapardy then I would have never shown up to work. RIP UBB miners, and all the coal miners before and after who lost their lives over $$ an/ or neglect of responsibility(s) and safety.
<quoted text>
The Massey bosses are going to jail stupid.
Bad Days

Red Jacket, WV

#65 Jan 2, 2013
retired fed inspector wrote:
Epitapher how long did you mine around the Pike Co. area Phelps. I can't remember Joe going to Logan. He retired and a fellow by the name Jerry Taylor replace him then they sent Jerry to Pikeville and Benny Freeman replaced him. The other supervisor in the Phelps office did go to Logan can't remember his name he was bald headed and pulled the hair from around his ears to the top to cover his head. Also EP did the mine you spoke about have a fatal cleanning up a rock fall and the inspector with big ed got a supervisor job in vencins In and was fired and may have spent some time in jail for taking bribe. It could have been John Banks also. the two meniton JB and Hb are they the Belamy Bros. One is Ventilation and the other is Roof Control.
Why do you insist on talking to yourself epilooser? This funny stuff.
Epitapher

Lewisburg, WV

#66 Jan 2, 2013
retired fed inspector wrote:
Epitapher how long did you mine around the Pike Co. area Phelps. I can't remember Joe going to Logan. He retired and a fellow by the name Jerry Taylor replace him then they sent Jerry to Pikeville and Benny Freeman replaced him. The other supervisor in the Phelps office did go to Logan can't remember his name he was bald headed and pulled the hair from around his ears to the top to cover his head. Also EP did the mine you spoke about have a fatal cleanning up a rock fall and the inspector with big ed got a supervisor job in vencins In and was fired and may have spent some time in jail for taking bribe. It could have been John Banks also. the two meniton JB and Hb are they the Belamy Bros. One is Ventilation and the other is Roof Control.
I remember Benny very well, but I guess Joe was not the one I was thinking going to Logan. The supervisor when Tommy was put behind a desk was the one who went to Logan and exposed qustionable dealings in that office. I didn't mention JB and HB. I thought the guy who posted that may have meant John Barnes. I left that particular area in the late nineties. I'm not sure about a fatality that you speak of, but I remember a good man who lost his life inspecting a substation on Big Creek. I think Eddie was with him.
Epitapher

Lewisburg, WV

#67 Jan 2, 2013
It was a sad occasion for inspectors and miners alike. The two electrical inspectors were checking a new substation installation by powering the secondary with a portable generator. One of them raised his head up into a high voltage primary fuse holder.

At that time all the animosity between miners and inspectors was practically unheard of.
Henry

Macon, GA

#68 Jan 2, 2013
Epitapher wrote:
<quoted text>I remember Benny very well, but I guess Joe was not the one I was thinking going to Logan. The supervisor when Tommy was put behind a desk was the one who went to Logan and exposed qustionable dealings in that office. I didn't mention JB and HB. I thought the guy who posted that may have meant John Barnes. I left that particular area in the late nineties. I'm not sure about a fatality that you speak of, but I remember a good man who lost his life inspecting a substation on Big Creek. I think Eddie was with him.
Tan Man the Racist Homophobic. Are you still paying off goverment employees.
wtf

Richmond, KY

#69 Jan 2, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Tan Man the Racist Homophobic. Are you still paying off goverment employees.
Epidoper has never worked a Day in a deep mine.
ouch

Port Republic, VA

#70 Jan 2, 2013
henry and wtf the you are not making any sence in what you are posting homophobic were in any thing here is gay mentioned wth the author epitapher has already proved to be that he indeed knows what he is talking about. now why don't the two of you take a chill pill and fu*k off. if you would listne and keep your mounths shut you may learn some history of coal mining in eastern ky.

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