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Conspiracy, Navy Seals on OBL Raid Are Killed in Helicopter Crash ? ?

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Real McCoy

Richmond, KY

#1 Aug 8, 2011
Afgan Taliban forces shot down a US helicopter carrying 22 navy seals that were on Bin Laden raid team. Too easy for the Taliban isn't it strange ! Now are there any eye-witnesses left about Bin Laden raid ?

Seal Team Six wiped out. Whose to blame ?
IYD

Longwood, FL

#2 Aug 9, 2011
Real McCoy wrote:
Afgan Taliban forces shot down a US helicopter carrying 22 navy seals that were on Bin Laden raid team. Too easy for the Taliban isn't it strange ! Now are there any eye-witnesses left about Bin Laden raid ?
Seal Team Six wiped out. Whose to blame ?
Hey dumb f*&S. I had friends on the ground with the 1st Ranger Bn that needed the SEAL support. You need to use logic you de-evolved human being.
Not to mention there are 5 squadrons in SEAL Team 6, Red undertook the bin Laden raid. And Gold is the one that suffered the losses in the crash. Not one shooter on the bird participated on the raid as they are all back home in Virginia.
I hope you kill yourself one day.
D.
3rd Ranger Bn, 75th Ranger Regiment
wished

Georgetown, KY

#3 Aug 9, 2011
IYD wrote:
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Hey dumb f*&S. I had friends on the ground with the 1st Ranger Bn that needed the SEAL support. You need to use logic you de-evolved human being.
Not to mention there are 5 squadrons in SEAL Team 6, Red undertook the bin Laden raid. And Gold is the one that suffered the losses in the crash. Not one shooter on the bird participated on the raid as they are all back home in Virginia.
I hope you kill yourself one day.
D.
3rd Ranger Bn, 75th Ranger Regiment
I almost wished the DOD would not have identified the unit of the victims of the crash. they should have only identified them by branch. It only leads to conspiracy theories. Also it was a huge propaganda win for AQ and the Taliban. As far as the other idiot most people do not know that each "Team" has several platoons which has several squadrons. You have to overlook the experts on here

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#4 Aug 9, 2011
IYD wrote:
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Hey dumb f*&S. I had friends on the ground with the 1st Ranger Bn that needed the SEAL support. You need to use logic you de-evolved human being.
Not to mention there are 5 squadrons in SEAL Team 6, Red undertook the bin Laden raid. And Gold is the one that suffered the losses in the crash. Not one shooter on the bird participated on the raid as they are all back home in Virginia.
I hope you kill yourself one day.
D.
3rd Ranger Bn, 75th Ranger Regiment
There you go again shooting someone down with the truth.
old dude

Red Jacket, WV

#5 Aug 9, 2011
I find it kind of interesting that that many Seals would be on one chopper---maybe the operations planners should consider splitting up the forces on more than one aircraft--a lucky shot in all likelihood yet they should realize things like that happen and try to lessen the chances. I'm sick about it and my heart goes out to them and their families.
wtf

Clarksville, TN

#6 Aug 9, 2011
Real McCoy wrote:
Afgan Taliban forces shot down a US helicopter carrying 22 navy seals that were on Bin Laden raid team. Too easy for the Taliban isn't it strange ! Now are there any eye-witnesses left about Bin Laden raid ?
Seal Team Six wiped out. Whose to blame ?
It was not the same Seals dumbass.

Now go watch Alex Jones some more and become even dumber.
Stan and Kyle

Knoxville, TN

#7 Aug 9, 2011
IYD wrote:
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Hey dumb f*&S. I had friends on the ground with the 1st Ranger Bn that needed the SEAL support. You need to use logic you de-evolved human being.
Not to mention there are 5 squadrons in SEAL Team 6, Red undertook the bin Laden raid. And Gold is the one that suffered the losses in the crash. Not one shooter on the bird participated on the raid as they are all back home in Virginia.
I hope you kill yourself one day.
D.
3rd Ranger Bn, 75th Ranger Regiment
You are correct. NSWDG is divided into four color-coded line squadrons: Red Squadron(Assault), Blue Squadron(Assault),Gold Squadron (Premier Squadron), Gray Squadron(Boat Crews) and a Black Squadron (Reconnaissance and Surveillance squadron), that's a different animal all together. Each squadron is divided into three troops and troops are also divided into smaller teams. A troop size can vary. Seal Team six has 15 people per troop (Approximately 45 people per squad) or 225 men total

Afghanistan helicopter crash, August 6, 2011
15 members of DEVGRU's Gold Squadron were among the 38 killed on Saturday, August 6, 2011 in a Chinook helicopter crash that occurred in Maidan Wardak province; the crash wiped out an entire troop of the squadron. The personnel in the helicopter are said to have belonged to an “immediate reaction force” that was en route to support Army Rangers who were in contact under fire and pinned down on the ground. It was the largest loss of U.S life since the beginning of the 2001 Afghan War, and is the largest single loss ever suffered by the SEAL community.

RIP my brothers, you are the best our country has and will all be missed
Get Facts Straight

Pikeville, KY

#8 Aug 9, 2011
Real McCoy wrote:
Afgan Taliban forces shot down a US helicopter carrying 22 navy seals that were on Bin Laden raid team. Too easy for the Taliban isn't it strange ! Now are there any eye-witnesses left about Bin Laden raid ?
Seal Team Six wiped out. Whose to blame ?
Same Seal Unit but not the same Seals involved in the OBL operation. Just because it was Seal Team Six does not mean it was the same members used in the OBL operation. It was stated early on that there were not the same members just the same unit.

No conspiracy theory here, just poor listening or reading skills. Why do people start such stupid threads, everyone that will reply will have heard the same unit not the same personel story!

The only thing out of whack about this story is why a Ranger Unit just 60 miles from Kabul has to be rescued. After 10 years and the security that close to the capital is that bad, we are losing that war. Why do you have to use elite forces for such operations, it takes thousnands of dollars to train up each and their skills so spelialized they are needed and should be used only in subversive/covert operations of the highest order. Using a sitting duck twin blade helicopter over a hot LZ makes no sense, we have choppers better suited for this kind of operation and other assets. We had already had one of these slow moving birds shot down last summer with 16 killed. Something else is being covered up here. These seals were on another mission that the military is wanting to keep secret. They were also brought down by something more sophisticated than a RPG. The military don't want us to know if we don't have air superiority anymore, if they have shoulder fired anti aircraft missles that are in any way close to our Stinger Missle then we will have to get out now!
wished

Georgetown, KY

#9 Aug 9, 2011
As I said this is a huge win for the insurgents in that area. Its bad enough for the taliban to know they shot a helicopter down. But for them to know its Seal Team Six is only going to make them appear omnipotent. The Red Wing mission had the same result. the guy was a small time nobody and after wiping out the Seal Team he gained more fighters for his cause. This is a losing war. I fear we are falling into the same sandpit the Russians did.
IYD

Longwood, FL

#10 Aug 9, 2011
Get Facts Straight wrote:
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Something else is being covered up here. These seals were on another mission that the military is wanting to keep secret. They were also brought down by something more sophisticated than a RPG. The military don't want us to know if we don't have air superiority anymore, if they have shoulder fired anti aircraft missles that are in any way close to our Stinger Missle then we will have to get out now!
Again, wrong. Unfortunately.. you are right, Delta and DEVGRU are conducting nightly direct action raids just like Rangers and SEALs have been doing. Difference is, the JSOC forces have bigger fish to fry. Unfortunately, we do not have enough SOF on the ground to hit every single objective that comes up. Hence why the JSOC units are doing the same raids. Nothing is out of whack, we all have been doing the same raids since 9.11. Remember.. most DEV and Delta were former Rangers and SEALs. Clandestine raids such as Osama and the 2008 Syrian Raid do NOT happen as often as you think. We need all the guys on the ground to be doing the hits. Unfortunately, the night of the crash, all Ranger units were out and about Afghanistan. Usually we would have our own as a QRF. It just wasnt available that night. So DEV stepped up to the plate. If you only knew how many choppers have been brought down by RPGs between Iraq and Afghanistan.

Stop with your secrets and conspiracy theories. The special operations community does not work like it does in your silly video games and hollywood moveis!!!!!
wish

Georgetown, KY

#11 Aug 9, 2011
This is just war. Choppers are going to get shot down. Most people do not realize that Team Six have been deployed to Afghanistan pretty much non stop since 9/11. The Afghans have demonstrated that they are pretty effective at bringing down aircraft and helicopters. It is a testament to the skill of our aviators and pilots that more craft is not brought down. But as I was saying helicopter is about the only means of transportation in Afghanistan. The country has almost no infrastructure such as paved roads.
old dude

Red Jacket, WV

#12 Aug 9, 2011
I don't know why we just don't nuke the entire Tangi valley. Any "civilian" living there is as big an enemy or potential enemy as bin laden--think about it;if war broke out in Pike co. how many civilians would stay around for 10 or more years? Our rules of engagement are archaic,unrealistic and downright dangerous. If we had fought Japan under the same rules of engagement that we have today we'd ALL be speaking Japanese. I say if you're going to be a bear,at least be a damn grizzly or go on home. That whole damn country is nothing but a bunch of dope growing tribal thugs and the world would be better off if it were completely exterminated.I, for one, wouldn't even miss it. Any "civilian" still living in that sh!t hole ain't got sense enough to survive in this world.
Monroe Doctrine

Georgetown, KY

#13 Aug 9, 2011
We should go back to it, or really should have never left it in our past. Saddam was a bad man but was not a threat to us. Afghanistan is a land of backward tribal hicks that don't want our democracy and it ain't our GD job to make the world just like us. Who the hell made us the worlds policeman? We could protect our borders and our hemisphere really and save enough to balance the budget! You can't keep fighting two front wars on a credit card, they hac bond sales and scrap metal drives and ration cards in WWII, everbody either fought, worked in the arms industry or helped in some way for the cause. Everybody shared the pain, the sacrifice and the victory.
730 bases in 130 different countries, we are more overextended than the Romans or old Soviet Union and they fell like a house of cards from the burden of empire and maintaining large armies on foreign soil.
The taliban will go back to pulling the girls out of school and whipping their asses on the street for minor infractions, probably go back to holding executions in soccer stadiums but they still won't be killing more Afgans than we are. We have no business there, those 7th century morons have been killing each other for centuries over old words in old books. Every army that has gone in there has been met with defeat when fighting by the rules of civilized conflict, which is itself a misnormer!
Yes kill them all and let god sort them out or go home! Rules in horse shoes or baseball but half war is a sin. Either go in hard and fight to win or stay the F at the house.

What the hell do you think you will have won even if you win? Show me the price of victory laying in 15,000 graves and the ruined treasury of the U.S. Show me what isover there is worth the cost in treasury and blood. The industrial military complex loves it, they love war, they love all wars in all seasons, they thrive on it. There is money in war, boundless billions to be made from it. In a depressed economy you will have the best and the brightest for canon fodder to fight your wars.
If the coast is attacked, lets join the battle for as Crazy Horse said, it is a good day to die! But for all these foreign wars in lands that are not a threat to us and never will be, for all the bases we have in all the different countries, for all the lies the government tells when they want to spend billions for the military, to hell with them! Rich men don't fight them, the sons of the congressmen don't fight them, ths sons of the corporate and wall street elite don't fight them.
I will never be Exxon's or Goldman Sachs hired gun. They got the moneh let them hire mercenary armies and do their own dirty work. Stick that flag in my face and holler be a patriot! They can stick that flag up their Azz along with their bloody war profits
SweetDee303

Darby, PA

#14 Aug 12, 2011
IYD wrote:
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Hey dumb f*&S. I had friends on the ground with the 1st Ranger Bn that needed the SEAL support. You need to use logic you de-evolved human being.
Not to mention there are 5 squadrons in SEAL Team 6, Red undertook the bin Laden raid. And Gold is the one that suffered the losses in the crash. Not one shooter on the bird participated on the raid as they are all back home in Virginia.
I hope you kill yourself one day.
D.
3rd Ranger Bn, 75th Ranger Regiment
this is why rangers are my favorite.
right

Georgetown, KY

#15 Aug 12, 2011
a motto that says rangers lead the way is pretty badass
Sad

United States

#16 Aug 12, 2011
It is a heartbreaking fact that we have and will lose too many men and women in this war. Even sadder is how the families of those lost in the crash were treated and disrespected by our so called commander in chief. 19 of the families objected to any press or photos whatsoever. Why could Obama NOT respect their wishes? I'm afraid I do not know the name of the deceased nor the name of his parents but they gave an interview and were completely disgusted with the fact that Obama and the White House decided to use an image of Obama saluting the caskets as the "picture of the day" for the Qhite House whenever the fallen were returned to Dover. Thefamiky they said they were actually impressed that Obama showed up with no press, but upon seein the picture splattered all over every news outlet, they said theyreally expected nothin less from him and his arrogance. I completely respect anyone who decides to enlist no matter what branch or reason, but I just think it is reductions how many of these folks are treated when they return from the war. I'm not even sure what we are fighting for anymore, but the fact that there are people infinite times braver than myself and willing to put their life on the line for this country, it still amazes me that people can be so rude to them upon their return.
I am praying for the families of those we lost. I will continue to pray for those still awayfrom their families. If you knew anyone, I am deeply sorry for your loss. I really hope it was not all in vain! God bless!
Lam Son 719

United States

#17 Aug 12, 2011
IYD wrote:
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Again, wrong. Unfortunately.. you are right, Delta and DEVGRU are conducting nightly direct action raids just like Rangers and SEALs have been doing. Difference is, the JSOC forces have bigger fish to fry. Unfortunately, we do not have enough SOF on the ground to hit every single objective that comes up. Hence why the JSOC units are doing the same raids. Nothing is out of whack, we all have been doing the same raids since 9.11. Remember.. most DEV and Delta were former Rangers and SEALs. Clandestine raids such as Osama and the 2008 Syrian Raid do NOT happen as often as you think. We need all the guys on the ground to be doing the hits. Unfortunately, the night of the crash, all Ranger units were out and about Afghanistan. Usually we would have our own as a QRF. It just wasnt available that night. So DEV stepped up to the plate. If you only knew how many choppers have been brought down by RPGs between Iraq and Afghanistan.
Stop with your secrets and conspiracy theories. The special operations community does not work like it does in your silly video games and hollywood moveis!!!!!
I am a Vietnam Vet, I know well the capabilities of the RPG. The version of the Chinook Helicopter shot down is more sophisticated than the one's we had in Vietnam, was used at higher altitudes and not primarily used for insertions into hot LZ's. We lost enough of them in Vietnam to know thier capabilities. If this thing was shot down at altitude, the one they normally operate in it was not shot down with an RPG. If Iran or whoever has introduced shoulder fired missles to the area as we did when they run the Russian's out we can't stay. The only advantage we have over the Taliban or insurgents is dominate air capabilities. The Russian's could not win once they lost air superiority, neither can we.
I never played a video game in my life but know a little something about chopper vulnerability in a hot LZ. If this thing was brought down at altitude and the damage and condition of the bodies suggest that it was, it was not brought down over an LZ. They took it at altitude and that means it was a missile, if it was shoulder fired and not crew served we are in a world on s#*t over there.
thankyou

Georgetown, KY

#18 Aug 14, 2011
if choppers start getting shot down we are doomed. what ist he objective in afghanistan? they have to figh the taliban. i think we should draw down on troops and invest more into the infrastructure of afghanistan including the countrty side
Corrupt Regime

Winchester, KY

#19 Aug 14, 2011
We don't need to protect Karzai's corrupt government or his opium fields. We don't need to spend billions and waste our best and brightest on this thug..Get Out Now!
exactly

Georgetown, KY

#20 Aug 14, 2011
let afghanistan go back to the s ewer it is just like pakistan . there is no strategic value of afghanistan. we can accomplish enough with predator strikes.

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