So what if I don't believe in God

So what if I don't believe in God

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Non Believer

Jackson, KY

#1 Nov 10, 2012
no wonder the world is in the shape it's in, organized religion has hurt society more than it has helped. Religion is a tactic used to make people feel badly about themselves and science is proving more everyday plausible explanations for things religion gives credit to a higher power for. Believing is something is fine, but pushing religious practices on everyone and then using it as a crutch for all that goes wrong with the world. If more people would be honest, there would be a lot less arguments blaming who/what is right/wrong. Why can't people just keep it private ?? I don't know, but I have really grown tired of all of it.
Jimpy

Elkhorn City, KY

#2 Nov 12, 2012
You sir or mam I will pray for.
Repub

Winchester, KY

#3 Nov 12, 2012
Jimpy wrote:
You sir or mam I will pray for.
Pray in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one gets full first,
asdfjkmb

Tucker, GA

#4 Nov 12, 2012
Christianity is absolutely retarded, anyway.
Old Dude

Versailles, KY

#5 Nov 12, 2012
asdfjkmb wrote:
Christianity is absolutely retarded, anyway.
seems to me there are a lot more people nationwide pushing to get rid of religion than there are people pushing it on others. It seems to be an adopted agenda for Obama voters. But what can you expect from idiots?
Really

Macon, GA

#6 Nov 12, 2012
I don't see anyone pushing an agenda except the bible thumpers who can't keep their noses out of anything. You don't see the Agnostics or Atheist yelling at corporations, you don't see them spreading their word, you don't see them promoting anything. Every time something happens in this country the so called Christians want a say in it. Now tell me again who has an agenda dumbass. The religious groups are trying to control the country based on their own beliefs and could care less about anyone who believes differently. I would consider myself atheist, but I don't ask anyone else to be.

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#7 Dec 8, 2013
Non Believer wrote:
no wonder the world is in the shape it's in, organized religion has hurt society more than it has helped. Religion is a tactic used to make people feel badly about themselves and science is proving more everyday plausible explanations for things religion gives credit to a higher power for. Believing is something is fine, but pushing religious practices on everyone and then using it as a crutch for all that goes wrong with the world. If more people would be honest, there would be a lot less arguments blaming who/what is right/wrong. Why can't people just keep it private ?? I don't know, but I have really grown tired of all of it.
I have a few questions for you. 1.) Do you consider yourself an Atheist? 2.)If so,would you be willing to discuss your worldview with me on this thread?
he believes

United States

#12 Dec 10, 2013
Its ok if you don't believe in God, for now, because God still believes in you.

Since: Apr 10

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#13 Dec 10, 2013
So does the Easter Bunny
he believes wrote:
Its ok if you don't believe in God, for now, because God still believes in you.

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#18 Dec 14, 2013
Thinking man wrote:
I would like to drop a little something on you here. I kind of feel guilty about posting this because all of my life I was raised in a christian family. Lately I have been thinking about some things. We see all the bad that happens in the world today. We are told that God is our creator. That we are directly here on earth because god created the sun, moon, stars, planets, animals. Everything is god's creation. We are told that god gave his only son for the remission of our sins and that anyone who believes, obeys and is baptized they will get to go to heaven. But god never shows him self, ever. You would think that since god is all knowing and all powerful. He knows what we think before we think it. God would know there are so many people in the world that don't believe god. So if god is the all knowing and all powerful. And if he loves us so much and just wants us to go to heaven. Then why doesn't he come out of heaven or where ever god is and say. Here I am. I am god. You have questioned my existence. Here I am. I am god. Believe in me. But that never happens. Just a bunch of random events that people will say god did it. You would think that if there was a god that loved us so much. That he would give us a clear sign that shows there truly is a god. But people will say oh he is there. You just can't see him. Really? That's completely corny. And some will say it's just god's will. We see people dying every year from starvation and war. Why do 8 and 13 year old kids die from cancer? Why do little babies die before they reach 3 years because some disease has ravaged their body? Why is that thieves and murderers rot away in jail while 60 year old people that never did anything to anyone die because of disease, while people that never did anything good for anyone get everything they want in life. If that is god's will, I got no use for it.
The Bible says that ALL KNOW God exists " For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Roman 1:18-21 Your question presupposes truth. How do you get truth without God? The proof of God is the impossibility of the contrary.

Since: Apr 10

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#19 Dec 15, 2013
"The Bible says that ALL KNOW God exists " For the wrath of God"

Lots of "holy" books make those kinds of statements because there are always suckers who believe them. And no, no one knows that there is a god.
ONE GOD wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible says that ALL KNOW God exists " For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Roman 1:18-21 Your question presupposes truth. How do you get truth without God? The proof of God is the impossibility of the contrary.
inspector gadget

Pikeville, KY

#20 Dec 15, 2013
see your first line about feeling guilty says alot. religion is designed to make us feel guilty about alot of things.
sex being the main one.
every human being on the planet has sexual feelings and all young people discover masturbation, its just a part of nature. we are told its evil, its sinful, defying god. so when we do it, we feel wicked.
that is a design by the religious leaders, who wrote the bible, to control the people.
if you had never heard of the bible or of god, and you were handed two books, one the bible and one grimms fairy tales, which would you find more believeable?
organized religion is organized by the "church" or as we know it the catholics, to control the people.
this is proven by the pilgrams who came to america to escape religious presercution by the british government.
the only thing was, when they got here, they themselves got all power tripping and decided to control their people with religion.
so you had sects break off and start up their own, like smith and the mormons, now that was designed more to control women and children.
which all religions still do, control women mostly
control their uterus
im unsure of what is really out there, or even what i believe in
i dont believe in some of the nonsense i hear coming out of the mouthes of preachers and church goers
they twist and turn everything to suit their needs. and here is what gets me more than anything, someone is sick, everyone says please pray for this person
then they get better , praise the lord, thanks for the prayers im all healed
well, heres my thought, if god is real, and if god can heal, why does he let people get sick to start with?????
i mean, why say god healed me, if god healed you, you wouldnt have needed the hospital and chemo and medicine and all that jazz
if someone dies, the religious say it was gods plan
so gods plan was to have a 4 year old little girl kidnapped and sexually assaulted and left dead in the woods????
or let a mother go thru pregnancy and childbirth then have her baby die at the hands of a babysitter or boyfriend.
so you see, the religious come up with answers to those questions to suit the need at the moment.
i wonder about stuff like the world trade center and how god could not have intervened in this.
people will shout hallerlujer its a miracle when they find a picture they misplaced 20 years earlier, but where are the real miracles?
why did japan get hit by a tsunami
oh i forgot the religious would say that is gods way of punishing them for something.
i personally like to think that christ was real and that he was a mortal man who walked the earth trying to do some good in the world, trying to help the less fortunate, sick and hungry.
i dont know all that jazz about him being son of god or any of that.
i set just the other day listening to two so called christians put down gossip about and bad mouth everyone they seen or have ever known.
even people in their own church, and even their own relatives.
that is what church is to me, people dont go for the right reasons, they dont go to worship and to find strength, they go to look around at others and see who they think is a bigger sinner than they are.
and to make the rest of us feel guilty cause we werent up at 8 am on sunday wearing some ridiculous clothes.

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#22 Dec 15, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"The Bible says that ALL KNOW God exists " For the wrath of God"
Lots of "holy" books make those kinds of statements because there are always suckers who believe them. And no, no one knows that there is a god.
<quoted text>
Can you provide some examples of other "holy books" that claim EVERYONE KNOWS that their god exists? I see you are still making knowledge claims. Can you tell me how you KNOW anything you just claimed is true without using your reasoning to justify your reasoning?(caps for emphasis)

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#23 Dec 15, 2013
inspector gadget wrote:
see your first line about feeling guilty says alot. religion is designed to make us feel guilty about alot of things.
sex being the main one.
every human being on the planet has sexual feelings and all young people discover masturbation, its just a part of nature. we are told its evil, its sinful, defying god. so when we do it, we feel wicked.
that is a design by the religious leaders, who wrote the bible, to control the people.
if you had never heard of the bible or of god, and you were handed two books, one the bible and one grimms fairy tales, which would you find more believeable?
organized religion is organized by the "church" or as we know it the catholics, to control the people.
this is proven by the pilgrams who came to america to escape religious presercution by the british government.
the only thing was, when they got here, they themselves got all power tripping and decided to control their people with religion.
so you had sects break off and start up their own, like smith and the mormons, now that was designed more to control women and children.
which all religions still do, control women mostly
control their uterus
im unsure of what is really out there, or even what i believe in
i dont believe in some of the nonsense i hear coming out of the mouthes of preachers and church goers
they twist and turn everything to suit their needs. and here is what gets me more than anything, someone is sick, everyone says please pray for this person
then they get better , praise the lord, thanks for the prayers im all healed
well, heres my thought, if god is real, and if god can heal, why does he let people get sick to start with?????
i mean, why say god healed me, if god healed you, you wouldnt have needed the hospital and chemo and medicine and all that jazz
if someone dies, the religious say it was gods plan
so gods plan was to have a 4 year old little girl kidnapped and sexually assaulted and left dead in the woods????
or let a mother go thru pregnancy and childbirth then have her baby die at the hands of a babysitter or boyfriend.
so you see, the religious come up with answers to those questions to suit the need at the moment.
i wonder about stuff like the world trade center and how god could not have intervened in this.
people will shout hallerlujer its a miracle when they find a picture they misplaced 20 years earlier, but where are the real miracles?
why did japan get hit by a tsunami
oh i forgot the religious would say that is gods way of punishing them for something.
i personally like to think that christ was real and that he was a mortal man who walked the earth trying to do some good in the world, trying to help the less fortunate, sick and hungry.
i dont know all that jazz about him being son of god or any of that.
i set just the other day listening to two so called christians put down gossip about and bad mouth everyone they seen or have ever known.
even people in their own church, and even their own relatives.
that is what church is to me, people dont go for the right reasons, they dont go to worship and to find strength, they go to look around at others and see who they think is a bigger sinner than they are.
and to make the rest of us feel guilty cause we werent up at 8 am on sunday wearing some ridiculous clothes.
Could you be wrong about everything you claim to know?

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#24 Dec 15, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"The Bible says that ALL KNOW God exists " For the wrath of God"
Lots of "holy" books make those kinds of statements because there are always suckers who believe them. And no, no one knows that there is a god.
<quoted text>
Can you provide some examples of other "holy books" that claim that ALL KNOW that their god exists? I see you're still making knowledge claims. Can you tell me how you KNOW anything you just wrote is true without using your reasoning to justify your reasoning?(Caps for emphasis)
H0W TRUE

Logan, WV

#25 Dec 15, 2013
Jimpy wrote:
You sir or mam I will pray for.
loss and undone and no hope (but he/she thinks differently) for tomorrow. No hope beyond the grave.
inspector gadget

Pikeville, KY

#26 Dec 15, 2013
ONE GOD wrote:
<quoted text> Could you be wrong about everything you claim to know?
i never claimed to KNOW a damn thing.
that is the difference between the free thinking and the brain washed, such as yourself.

Since: Apr 10

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#27 Dec 15, 2013
"Can you provide some examples of other "holy books" that claim that ALL KNOW that their god exists?"

The Quran claims that Allah exists, going so far to say that He is the only god. Such is the non-sense spewed by religious fanatics.

The truth is that you religious types know nothing.
ONE GOD wrote:
<quoted text> Can you provide some examples of other "holy books" that claim that ALL KNOW that their god exists? I see you're still making knowledge claims. Can you tell me how you KNOW anything you just wrote is true without using your reasoning to justify your reasoning?(Caps for emphasis)

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#28 Dec 15, 2013
inspector gadget wrote:
<quoted text>i never claimed to KNOW a damn thing.
that is the difference between the free thinking and the brain washed, such as yourself.
Do you know that? You're right, that is the difference between our worldviews. If you can't know anything, you can't make knowledge claims... That violates the law of noncontradiction. Your worldview is reduced to absurdity. You are free do disagree with that, but in order to refute that claim, you must justify how you can KNOW anything.

“Psalm 14:1”

Since: Jul 13

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#29 Dec 15, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
The Quran claims that Allah exists, going so far to say that He is the only god. Such is the non-sense spewed by religious fanatics.<quoted text>
My question was, can you provide some examples of other "holy books" that claim that ALL KNOW that their god exists? Not that claim to exist or claim they are the only god. Give me an example of another faith that says ALL PEOPLE KNOW that their specific god exists.
Anti-theist wrote:
The truth is that you religious types know nothing.<quoted text>

That is false. You are the one who claimed you "Could be wrong about everything" not me, and if you can be wrong about everything, it logically follows that you can KNOW nothing. You are borrowing from my worldview to make those knowledge claims, because yours has no justification to make them.

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