Fire Fees on Your Property Tax
who

Melvin, KY

#21 Jul 9, 2013
I agree with you ooops, where do you think the cuts should be made? Education, road repair, the police, maybe our water companies? What services are you not getting your money worth from? The cost of everything pretty much goes up daily. Our local government has less money coming in with higher bills going out. If you can balance a budget doing that and not cutting anything, let us know your plan.
Funny

Corbin, KY

#22 Jul 9, 2013
AGREE wrote:
PIKE COUNTY, Ky.(WYMT)- Budget cuts could mean folks in Pike County will pay more for fire protection.
Recent cuts are causing some volunteer fire departments to lose thousands of dollars this year.
Fire officials say they may have to issue subscription fees to keep the departments open.
There are 26 volunteer fire departments in Pike County.
"May not see people at them a week, but they got a truck sitting in there that's ready to respond to their needs so that's why it's utterly important to keep them," said Randy Courtney, Pike County Firefighters Association President.
They are rated by size for insurance (ISO ratings), and they each get money from the county based on those ratings.
But smaller county budgets mean those departments are all feeling the pinch, some losing as much as $10,000.
"With less funding we're going to have to go some other means. Everybody knows coal severance money is drying up. Grant money is drying up," said Courtney.
On Monday night they met to discuss possible subscription fees for the homes they serve.
The fees would be added to property taxes, probably not totaling more than $55 per year.
"If you do $55 it's 14 cents a day for emergency services," said Courtney.
Keeping fire protection in those rural areas will also help keep home owner's insurance down.
Officials say before any action is taken they plan to hold more meetings and public forums to educate the firefighters and the public about these potential fees.
The fiscal court must approve the fees before the bill is added to taxes.
$55 a year, what happened to $25 a year, wow the fee has raise already and the thing is not even passed yet. It will be upward of $200 a year two years into it, mark my words. Just like the PCBOE they can go in and raise the fee any damn time they want after they get it on the property tax.

People if this thing gets on the property tax we are screwed, Library tax started small and even the Health Department board raised their tax last year. PCBOE every year or every other year. Does anyone actually think the fee will stay at $55 for very long. They say they are doing it because of coal severance cuts, well coal severance will be lower every year as the coal market declines. They will lose that and fiscal court funding and every year they will raise our property tax to make up the difference.

It would take a fool to believe the tax will stay at $55. The property owner's can bear the full burden of supporting every organization out there. This fee has to be shared with every body not just the property owners. PCBOE, Health Dept., Library, now Fire Departments not counting what goes to the state and county. By the way as coal severance and state funds get cut the county will be asking for an increase on property taxes also. The next thing you will hear about is another reevaluation of property taxes and when they go up the portion that goes to the Fire Department will go up.

This will be much larger than the Library and the Health Department tax and no way it will stay at $55. If anyone believes that I have a bridge up in New York I would like to sell you!
who

Melvin, KY

#23 Jul 9, 2013
The article said 55, one of the chiefs said he thought it would be 20-25 dollars, the amount isn't set yet, so actually neither knows for sure. Have you checked with your insurance company to find out how much your rates will raise if the departments close? Answer this, how much would it be worth to you to have a loved one cut out of a car to save their life? If you want to bitch, and one dies, would you tell them at their funeral that you wish you would have paid the extra money? I think it is going to be interesting as to what happens inside the city limits of Pikeville. Fire, police, and other services are included in the city tax fee. Are they going to jump on the bandwagon and add it on to their property taxes too? How much would it be worth to you to have your house saved from a fire. How do you put a price on someone getting saved from a fire in your house? 55 dollars is what the article said, you say that is to much. How much is one of your family members life worth?
How Much

Corbin, KY

#24 Jul 9, 2013
who wrote:
The article said 55, one of the chiefs said he thought it would be 20-25 dollars, the amount isn't set yet, so actually neither knows for sure. Have you checked with your insurance company to find out how much your rates will raise if the departments close? Answer this, how much would it be worth to you to have a loved one cut out of a car to save their life? If you want to bitch, and one dies, would you tell them at their funeral that you wish you would have paid the extra money? I think it is going to be interesting as to what happens inside the city limits of Pikeville. Fire, police, and other services are included in the city tax fee. Are they going to jump on the bandwagon and add it on to their property taxes too? How much would it be worth to you to have your house saved from a fire. How do you put a price on someone getting saved from a fire in your house? 55 dollars is what the article said, you say that is to much. How much is one of your family members life worth?
How much is the property worth when I can't afford to pay the tax and they auction it off at the court house, sell the tax ticket. this is not just Pikeville city, this is a county wide fee they are talking about. Money can be found for the fire departments without taxing the property owners. All the money the county waste on foolishness would pay for the fire departments. They can cut these parks and lighting around the parks plus magistrates perks and other recreation stuff. Fire protection is more important than recreation or magistrates perks and the other waste,$5000 for staffers that just show up on occasion. The county has to set priorities and move fire protection up under garbage collection at least.
Don't give me the tears and crying over an ambulance call, that service is paid for each time they over bill each parties insurance. Keeping a roof over your kids house is first priority, would like to be able to have a house to live in. Property owners can't fund everything and I don't care how many sob stories you lay out there it come down to it is not fair to put all these tax on people that have worked on their life to have a home while most of these services don't even relate to fire protection. There are more people in the county than home owners that use the service and should be paying for part of it.
Property Owners Unite

Corbin, KY

#25 Jul 9, 2013
Let the magistrates know if they vote for this fee on our property tax we will not support them in their next election. Enough is enough!
trim the tax

Charleston, WV

#26 Jul 9, 2013
How about instead of adding another fee/tax reduce the costs.

Is it really necessary to have a hazmat Representative and ambulance respond with the fire truck?
Is it really cost effective to run the fire trucks up and down every holler sirens blasting with Santa waving

Do the depts really need atv's and deep water rescue teams?

Is it necessary for a volunteer station to open a satellite station less than a half mile from a paid fire department?

Reduce overhead before raising taxes. Now would you like to talk about the police and judicial system?
who

Melvin, KY

#27 Jul 9, 2013
How Much wrote:
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How much is the property worth when I can't afford to pay the tax and they auction it off at the court house, sell the tax ticket. this is not just Pikeville city, this is a county wide fee they are talking about. Money can be found for the fire departments without taxing the property owners. All the money the county waste on foolishness would pay for the fire departments. They can cut these parks and lighting around the parks plus magistrates perks and other recreation stuff. Fire protection is more important than recreation or magistrates perks and the other waste,$5000 for staffers that just show up on occasion. The county has to set priorities and move fire protection up under garbage collection at least.
Don't give me the tears and crying over an ambulance call, that service is paid for each time they over bill each parties insurance. Keeping a roof over your kids house is first priority, would like to be able to have a house to live in. Property owners can't fund everything and I don't care how many sob stories you lay out there it come down to it is not fair to put all these tax on people that have worked on their life to have a home while most of these services don't even relate to fire protection. There are more people in the county than home owners that use the service and should be paying for part of it.
Are you saying that if the article is right and it is 55 dollars a year that you will lose your property? If you are that close to losing the roof over your kids head, why do you even have internet and a computer? Have you talked to your magistrate about him taking a cut in pay or perks? I bet you didn't. It is easier to sit here on topix and complain instead of trying to make a change isn't it? I don't know if volunteer fire departments collect money off a cars insurance, I will try to find that out. Why don't you call your fire chief and we will compare answers as to what we are told. Or would that be to much trouble for you to find out for sure and just not what you think. You do know, you can put a jar in the Double Quicks asking for peoples change if you are so broke you cant afford it. Why didn't you answer the question about how much it would be worth to have a family member or loved one saved. Is their a reason why you left that question out?
who

Melvin, KY

#28 Jul 9, 2013
trim the tax wrote:
How about instead of adding another fee/tax reduce the costs.
Is it really necessary to have a hazmat Representative and ambulance respond with the fire truck?
Is it really cost effective to run the fire trucks up and down every holler sirens blasting with Santa waving
Do the depts really need atv's and deep water rescue teams?
Is it necessary for a volunteer station to open a satellite station less than a half mile from a paid fire department?
Reduce overhead before raising taxes. Now would you like to talk about the police and judicial system?
Good questions, lets talk about a few of them. I have not seen a hazmat rep anywhere around here unless it is a chemical or fuel spill. Then yes, they are required to show up. I have not seen a fire truck run up my road with Santa waving. They may do it at the Christmas parade in the city of Pikeville, but not in the county. They do however have a Christmas party at the local fire station where donated toys are passed out to needy kids. The Fire truck is pulled out of the station to make room for the kids. Which of those are you referring to? ATV's are important. DO you think a ambulance can go everywhere where people ride ATV's? If you have one, and don't come home one night, who do you think goes and looks for you, the police, EMT's, maybe the mayor? Can you tell me where there are two stations a half a mile apart? I would like to see that. Where were you referring to when you made that comment?
Property Owners Unite

Corbin, KY

#29 Jul 9, 2013
trim the tax wrote:
How about instead of adding another fee/tax reduce the costs.
Is it really necessary to have a hazmat Representative and ambulance respond with the fire truck?
Is it really cost effective to run the fire trucks up and down every holler sirens blasting with Santa waving
Do the depts really need atv's and deep water rescue teams?
Is it necessary for a volunteer station to open a satellite station less than a half mile from a paid fire department?
Reduce overhead before raising taxes. Now would you like to talk about the police and judicial system?
Yes, they will take everything they have on the lot to a fender bender, clog the traffic up on some hollows so bad you can't even get the ambulance in.
Property Owners Unite

Corbin, KY

#30 Jul 9, 2013
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that if the article is right and it is 55 dollars a year that you will lose your property? If you are that close to losing the roof over your kids head, why do you even have internet and a computer? Have you talked to your magistrate about him taking a cut in pay or perks? I bet you didn't. It is easier to sit here on topix and complain instead of trying to make a change isn't it? I don't know if volunteer fire departments collect money off a cars insurance, I will try to find that out. Why don't you call your fire chief and we will compare answers as to what we are told. Or would that be to much trouble for you to find out for sure and just not what you think. You do know, you can put a jar in the Double Quicks asking for peoples change if you are so broke you cant afford it. Why didn't you answer the question about how much it would be worth to have a family member or loved one saved. Is their a reason why you left that question out?
$55 a month won't stay 55 a month for long and as far as me talking directly to the magistrate that is what the polling booth is for. As far as how much I would give to save a family member, depends on who is doing the saving. A professional trained Rescue Squad with real EMT's or a bunch of wannabe's that don't have a real job and may or may not know what they are doing. I don't have any control over car accidents or anything else but I do know that if it is so important to society that all of society should pay for it, not just the property owners. If they can put on a 1 cent county sale tax or usage tax that everybody would have to pay, go for it but they can't keep adding on fee's to property owners because they are the ones most likely to have the money to extort from. If they can come up with an across the board plan to distribute the tax to everybody then maybe. Until then no new tax on the property tax that we grow out of proportion and we will never get off once it goes on.

Internet, none of your goddamn business about my internet and that have a damn thing to do with the conversation about property tax. Why don't they drop the library Tax and give that portion to the fire department. Everybody uses the internet more than books and can find whatever you need on the internet plus a few jackass's you really don't need. Drop the library tax as fire coverage is more important to 90% of Pike County that never picks up a book or even uses that service. Take one off the property tax if you are going to add one on.
who

Melvin, KY

#31 Jul 9, 2013
Property Owners Unite wrote:
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Yes, they will take everything they have on the lot to a fender bender, clog the traffic up on some hollows so bad you can't even get the ambulance in.
The last time I seen a fire truck on the road was on Foggy Mountain. A tractor trailer was right on the shoulder on fire, the truck was in the slow lane, no other place for it to be. Plus, they was using the truck to keep traffic from right beside the fire. I didn't see anyone there but firemen and a state police. I didn't se anyone wearing any type of haz mat suit, or even wearing a hat that said anything like that. Are you saying for a two car wreck, they will send 4 trucks, vans, pumpers, tankers and everything? Some hollows around here, a car wreck has the whole road blocked.
who

Melvin, KY

#32 Jul 9, 2013
Property Owners Unite wrote:
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$55 a month won't stay 55 a month for long and as far as me talking directly to the magistrate that is what the polling booth is for. As far as how much I would give to save a family member, depends on who is doing the saving. A professional trained Rescue Squad with real EMT's or a bunch of wannabe's that don't have a real job and may or may not know what they are doing. I don't have any control over car accidents or anything else but I do know that if it is so important to society that all of society should pay for it, not just the property owners. If they can put on a 1 cent county sale tax or usage tax that everybody would have to pay, go for it but they can't keep adding on fee's to property owners because they are the ones most likely to have the money to extort from. If they can come up with an across the board plan to distribute the tax to everybody then maybe. Until then no new tax on the property tax that we grow out of proportion and we will never get off once it goes on.
Internet, none of your goddamn business about my internet and that have a damn thing to do with the conversation about property tax. Why don't they drop the library Tax and give that portion to the fire department. Everybody uses the internet more than books and can find whatever you need on the internet plus a few jackass's you really don't need. Drop the library tax as fire coverage is more important to 90% of Pike County that never picks up a book or even uses that service. Take one off the property tax if you are going to add one on.
A few problems with this post. You said voting booths are for talking to the magistrates. How are they supposed to know how to vote on things unless the people they represent tell them? You do know everyone that holds a office also has a phone number. You can call all the way from a magistrate up to your state senator as to what you think on certain bills and such. They are supposed to represent the people they serve. How do they know how to do that if you don't tell them? Do you think when someone gets a elected office they magically become mind readers? Where would you suggest the funding comes from to have professionally trained rescue squad members on payroll? You also should realize most fire departments have EMT's. You also know that even volunteer departments have training on the average once a week don't you? It sounds to me like you want all the advantages and all professional people but you cant come up with 50 dollars the way it is proposed to be. I am truly sorry you made poor life decisions which would mean a 50 dollar tax would cause you to lose your property. What are you going to do if it doesn't go threw and your homeowners insurance rates jumps by hundreds of dollars because there isn't any fire protection. Live under a bridge and say, that 50 dollars might not have been so bad after all.
Property Owners Unite

Corbin, KY

#33 Jul 9, 2013
who wrote:
<quoted text>A few problems with this post. You said voting booths are for talking to the magistrates. How are they supposed to know how to vote on things unless the people they represent tell them? You do know everyone that holds a office also has a phone number. You can call all the way from a magistrate up to your state senator as to what you think on certain bills and such. They are supposed to represent the people they serve. How do they know how to do that if you don't tell them? Do you think when someone gets a elected office they magically become mind readers? Where would you suggest the funding comes from to have professionally trained rescue squad members on payroll? You also should realize most fire departments have EMT's. You also know that even volunteer departments have training on the average once a week don't you? It sounds to me like you want all the advantages and all professional people but you cant come up with 50 dollars the way it is proposed to be. I am truly sorry you made poor life decisions which would mean a 50 dollar tax would cause you to lose your property. What are you going to do if it doesn't go threw and your homeowners insurance rates jumps by hundreds of dollars because there isn't any fire protection. Live under a bridge and say, that 50 dollars might not have been so bad after all.
Oh I will talk to the magistrate about the fire tax added to my property tax, bet on it. As far as how they find the money to pay for the fire departments, that will be between the magistrates ant the judge exec. It may be the job may be more important than the perks if it come down to losing the job or finding some other way to fund the fire departments. The how and why of it is not my area of expertise, they know where the money is in the budget and how to prioritize.$55 added a year won't make or break me but it would pay my internet bill or a good meal in a nice restaurant. When it creeps to $300 a year on top of the large amount it already is, now that is not chump change. There are people in Pike County on fixed incomes that will have to decide between paying their property taxes and eating or buying medicine. Old people can't absorb every rate increase going and a lot of other people in Pike County are on disability checks and just barely making it. As if nobody has noticed the raise in prices at the grocery store. I am not talking about myself, I could afford the extra 55 or the extra 2 or 3 hundred when it hits there but it is not fair that I should or the other property owners. We can't be expected to come in and make up the shortfalls in coal severance, the Federal Money or state funds the county has lost. Not that many of us to support all the community services. I drive on tore up roads, worst damn school system in the state, never use that damn library and the fire department here is just a good ole boy social club for the loafers and the wannabe's. It has enough money for what they are doing, volunteer is volunteer what are you bitching about more money for volunteer work.
We seriously need fire protection but all the other area's the fire departments have branched out to is not something I want to pay for. How much damn money was shot up in fireworks this 4th of July, if you got money to waste on fire works you don't need to be adding a tax to our property to pay for it.
What's a matter you guys want to have as large a display as New York or something. Drop the Santa suit, quit playing with your roman candles and just do the job, we can't afford to pay for all the entertainment for all the fire departments in Pike County!
who

Melvin, KY

#34 Jul 9, 2013
Interesting, look at your first sentence. "Oh I will talk to the magistrate about the fire tax added to my property tax, bet on it." Are you not going to mention him taking a pay cut or losing some perks? Isnt that what you originally said about it? Maybe you should make up your mind on what you want to say before you run off at the mouth. If you don't know where money is being spent, you do realize that the county budget isn't a huge secret. You don't even need to fill out a freedom of information act form. Just ask for it. I guess that is to much trouble too. Where are you getting a 300 dollar a year figure from? Any research into that or is it just a number that popped in your head? I am glad you mentioned how the cost of everything has went up. In my first post, the fire departments have not had a raise from the early to mid 80's, thank you for making that point even clearer. You saying the school system is the worst in the state? How is it people from this area are becoming doctors, lawyers, surgeons, and any other job you can think of? A student will get out of our schools here as much as they put in it. Just because you don't use the library doesn't mean no one else does. Go by your local one and ask how many people use it on a average day. What fire district are you in? How do you know it is a social club? Do you realize the people in it are volunteering their time and their money to be there? Which fire department shot off fireworks? If you are talking about the fireworks the city shot off, the city paid for those. The fire department would have been there in case there was a misfire or the hills started to burn. Volunteer work is just that. None of the volunteer firemen get paid for what they do. Believe it or not, the fire trucks needs fuel, oil, parts, ect. Nothing is on the road for free. A lot in your post is totally wrong, and you are to stubborn to realize it.
Majesticgang

Statesville, NC

#35 Jul 9, 2013
Property Owners Unite wrote:
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Oh I will talk to the magistrate about the fire tax added to my property tax, bet on it. As far as how they find the money to pay for the fire departments, that will be between the magistrates ant the judge exec. It may be the job may be more important than the perks if it come down to losing the job or finding some other way to fund the fire departments. The how and why of it is not my area of expertise, they know where the money is in the budget and how to prioritize.$55 added a year won't make or break me but it would pay my internet bill or a good meal in a nice restaurant. When it creeps to $300 a year on top of the large amount it already is, now that is not chump change. There are people in Pike County on fixed incomes that will have to decide between paying their property taxes and eating or buying medicine. Old people can't absorb every rate increase going and a lot of other people in Pike County are on disability checks and just barely making it. As if nobody has noticed the raise in prices at the grocery store. I am not talking about myself, I could afford the extra 55 or the extra 2 or 3 hundred when it hits there but it is not fair that I should or the other property owners. We can't be expected to come in and make up the shortfalls in coal severance, the Federal Money or state funds the county has lost. Not that many of us to support all the community services. I drive on tore up roads, worst damn school system in the state, never use that damn library and the fire department here is just a good ole boy social club for the loafers and the wannabe's. It has enough money for what they are doing, volunteer is volunteer what are you bitching about more money for volunteer work.
We seriously need fire protection but all the other area's the fire departments have branched out to is not something I want to pay for. How much damn money was shot up in fireworks this 4th of July, if you got money to waste on fire works you don't need to be adding a tax to our property to pay for it.
What's a matter you guys want to have as large a display as New York or something. Drop the Santa suit, quit playing with your roman candles and just do the job, we can't afford to pay for all the entertainment for all the fire departments in Pike County!
You have we'll for 80 percent of the people,uneducated wanna be like the city fireman,you said a mouth full when you said social its simply a jack-off place,Pike Co.had better get their asses together if not all they will have is their lawyers and banks,citizens are fed up at the corruption that is out there,he'll we need Donvan to get progress in this county and do away with the magistrate kingdoms,I think we the voters need placed on the ballot for a 3 member commission form of government and be payed for each meeting they attend without any benefits?they are well educated people out there that can't be brought,they talk about Obama doing this and doing that it is nothing but a group of turd heads that wants the low class to beg,but in all it seems our voters can be mis-led by their shitty mouths we could stop these shit by voting for them 1 term and only,for the facts is the longer they sit the stinker their shit is,just ask the Robertson Family ole Si ,phil,Willie,jase,hep .....
I Agree

Mount Sterling, KY

#36 Jul 9, 2013
Majesticgang wrote:
<quoted text>You have we'll for 80 percent of the people,uneducated wanna be like the city fireman,you said a mouth full when you said social its simply a jack-off place,Pike Co.had better get their asses together if not all they will have is their lawyers and banks,citizens are fed up at the corruption that is out there,he'll we need Donvan to get progress in this county and do away with the magistrate kingdoms,I think we the voters need placed on the ballot for a 3 member commission form of government and be payed for each meeting they attend without any benefits?they are well educated people out there that can't be brought,they talk about Obama doing this and doing that it is nothing but a group of turd heads that wants the low class to beg,but in all it seems our voters can be mis-led by their shitty mouths we could stop these shit by voting for them 1 term and only,for the facts is the longer they sit the stinker their shit is,just ask the Robertson Family ole Si ,phil,Willie,jase,hep .....
Let Us Not Be Nasty. But The Content Is Right On Track. The People In This County & Nation Need To Get Some BACKBONE.
who

Melvin, KY

#37 Jul 9, 2013
No one has said, if the county fire departments close, and home insurance rates go threw the roof, how many of you will still be complaining. What price is to much for a life? How many of you will go into a burning house or get blood and puke all over you in a car wreck for nothing. Yet you wish to make fun of the ones that do. Shame on you all.
Fred

Logan, WV

#38 Jul 9, 2013
who wrote:
No one has said, if the county fire departments close, and home insurance rates go threw the roof, how many of you will still be complaining. What price is to much for a life? How many of you will go into a burning house or get blood and puke all over you in a car wreck for nothing. Yet you wish to make fun of the ones that do. Shame on you all.
I'm just sick of paying taxes all the time,I barely can put food on the table for my family.
Dewayne

Kimper, KY

#39 Jul 9, 2013
Fred wrote:
<quoted text>I'm just sick of paying taxes all the time,I barely can put food on the table for my family.
This wouldn't really be an issue if everyone would pay their fire dues each year.When volunteer departments only get 16% of dues paid in each year,you can barely keep the bills paid.Yes,the state cuts has brought this discussion on,but again,if everyone would send in their fire dues each year,they wouldn't be trying to make it mandatory by adding it to property taxes.
Cannonball run

Statesville, NC

#40 Jul 9, 2013
who wrote:
No one has said, if the county fire departments close, and home insurance rates go threw the roof, how many of you will still be complaining. What price is to much for a life? How many of you will go into a burning house or get blood and puke all over you in a car wreck for nothing. Yet you wish to make fun of the ones that do. Shame on you all.
First and foremost most of the people had to chose between eating or insurance bills so most have to drop their homeowners insurance to try and come up with life's necessities time you pay the monthly bills there's nothing left to pay Property taxes with.if it bothers you to blood and puke on you quit volunteering and get a job that pays you,because I assure you if our county fire depts every become payed positions you would have to give that disability check up and that's not likely,that's the problem with this county they build these stations some areas has 2 and 3 within 2 to 5 miles apart wtf with this somebody (taxpayers)is having to pay insurance on the building and equipment plus maintain the building for vintage fire trucks to be stored.

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