Historian

Paducah, KY

#84 Aug 19, 2014
Kyboy wrote:
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It maybe old technology, but it's a new plant and they want to build more of them in other locations.
The $2.2 billion plant, which launched in February, is at Ivanpah Dry Lake near the California-Nevada border. The operator says it's the world's biggest plant to employ so-called power towers.
Coal is just as deadly to wildlife. Probably more so. It is also dangerous to people downstream. Just a few examples from the news:

Five years ago, the town of Kingston, Tennessee, was overwhelmed by more than a billion tons of sludge spilled from a local coal fired power plant.

Tennessee Valley Authority ("TVA") Gallatin coal-fired power plant discharges heavy metals and other harmful waste byproducts of burning coal. The plantís polluted wastewaters are dumped into unlined ponds that allow pollution to continue to harm the environment. In addition to the toxic discharges, Gallatinís water cooling intake system routinely kills tens of thousands of fish and other aquatic life that become trapped in the structures every year.

Dec 24, 2008 Ė Near Knoxville, TN, a forty-acre pond containing toxic coal ash collapsed, spilling out millions tons of toxic coal ash into the Emory River, a tributary of the Tennessee River, which provides drinking water to millions of people downstream in Tennessee, Alabama and Kentucky.

Jun 9, 2014 - Hundreds of fish were killed by a chemical released into Kentucky's Clover Fork River by Cumberland Coal Company.

The list could go on and on and on.

And again REPEAT the newest, best solar technology like that used in the new array at Hazlehurst, GA, does not have this problem.
Kingfish

Jacksboro, TN

#85 Aug 19, 2014
BCB wrote:
all we hear is coal.its more than coal its total destruction.of the Enviroment.this is not granpaws mining.an needs stoping Now.these coal cos.will have all the coal.in 10 to 20 years tops.this way.an they will no longer know you. these miners.don,t understand they are helping there way out of work.by backing this methoed of mining.MTR.is what im talking about stop it now.
What they are strip mining they can't deep mine. Simple facts. Not enough top to hold for deep mining.
where to

Mount Sterling, KY

#86 Aug 19, 2014
Historian wrote:
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You are badly misinformed.
Yes, some Powder River coal is being exported. But most of it is used right here in the USA. Georgia Power uses it exclusively, as do power plants in the Plains states and Texas. All of the nations bigger, newer coal fired power plants are optimized to use it. It is simply that much cheaper -- something like 1/3 to 1/4 the price of Kentucky coal.
No, the Europeans will not come for Kentucky coal. Europe has plenty of coal of its own. And even if the Europeans did import U.S. coal, they would most likely import the coal that cost them the least amount of money: Powder River coal from Wyoming.
Face it. Kentucky coal is simply losing out in the economic competition. Wyoming coal is vastly cheaper. Natural gas is cheaper in the long run, when you figure in the cost of transportation, disposal of the ash (gas makes none, so the power companies have zero cost with gas in that respect), etc. Solar technology is becoming more efficient and practical every day. Wind power is booming. Just drive through the Plains states and look at all the new wind turbines. More are being built every day.
Instead of crying, bitching, and moaning about the demise of coal, Kentuckians ought to be demanding leadership that is committed to moving on from coal.
I asked two questions, yet you you assume something else and accuse someone of being misinformed. I give it two years before the enviros open up big time on solar panels and windmills and it will be the truth this time. Got to make sure natural gas and wood burning is out of the way first.
old dude

Pikeville, KY

#87 Aug 19, 2014
Historian wrote:
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Damn strange that the folks on the Right wing of politics in eastern Kentucky are all for laissez-faire economics -- until it comes to coal.
Fact is, even if there was no supposed "war on coal" eastern Kentucky coal would still be on the way out. It simply cannot compete with Powder River Basin coal from Wyoming. That coal is simply so so much more plentiful, much easier to mine, and thus cheaper that Appalachian coal cannot compete with it. Even if new coal burning power plants were being built to replace the old antiquated ones that are closing, those plants would be configured to burn Wyoming coal, not Kentucky coal.
The director of the EPA ADMITTED it was a WAR ON COAL in a recent tv interview. There is nothing "SUPPOSED" about it...
old dude

Pikeville, KY

#88 Aug 19, 2014
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>
You are badly misinformed.
Yes, some Powder River coal is being exported. But most of it is used right here in the USA. Georgia Power uses it exclusively, as do power plants in the Plains states and Texas. All of the nations bigger, newer coal fired power plants are optimized to use it. It is simply that much cheaper -- something like 1/3 to 1/4 the price of Kentucky coal.
No, the Europeans will not come for Kentucky coal. Europe has plenty of coal of its own. And even if the Europeans did import U.S. coal, they would most likely import the coal that cost them the least amount of money: Powder River coal from Wyoming.
Face it. Kentucky coal is simply losing out in the economic competition. Wyoming coal is vastly cheaper. Natural gas is cheaper in the long run, when you figure in the cost of transportation, disposal of the ash (gas makes none, so the power companies have zero cost with gas in that respect), etc. Solar technology is becoming more efficient and practical every day. Wind power is booming. Just drive through the Plains states and look at all the new wind turbines. More are being built every day.
Instead of crying, bitching, and moaning about the demise of coal, Kentuckians ought to be demanding leadership that is committed to moving on from coal.
Wind power has been proven to warm and dry the earth for miles around it and is a proven bird killer.
where to

Mount Sterling, KY

#89 Aug 20, 2014
old dude wrote:
<quoted text> The director of the EPA ADMITTED it was a WAR ON COAL in a recent tv interview. There is nothing "SUPPOSED" about it...
I agree with you. I was wondering what in the world Eastern KY would look like if solar panels and windmills were erected to supply an even 50% of power needed in eastern KY. To supply half the power would take an unbelievable number of those things IF those things could generate 50% of the power needed.. The whole place would have to be covered with them. I can't believe someone would cover steep hillsides with those things given the way those hills are structured plus the cost of maintaining them for they would be fighting the undergrowth on a yearly basis. If it were possible ....now that would be a real environmental disaster.
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#90 Aug 20, 2014
where to wrote:
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I agree with you. I was wondering what in the world Eastern KY would look like if solar panels and windmills were erected to supply an even 50% of power needed in eastern KY. To supply half the power would take an unbelievable number of those things IF those things could generate 50% of the power needed.. The whole place would have to be covered with them. I can't believe someone would cover steep hillsides with those things given the way those hills are structured plus the cost of maintaining them for they would be fighting the undergrowth on a yearly basis. If it were possible ....now that would be a real environmental disaster.
Natural Gas is racing Coal Stupid.
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#91 Aug 20, 2014
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Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#92 Aug 23, 2014
old dude wrote:
<quoted text>The coal business goes up and the coal business goes down...its always been that way but now with your sainted Obama in charge its just going down and will NEVER go back up ...that's one reason I keep "yelling" as you say about OBAMA;the WORST President in history....
Uhhh did you already forget Bush Old Turd?
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#93 Aug 23, 2014
old dude wrote:
<quoted text>Wind power has been proven to warm and dry the earth for miles around it and is a proven bird killer.
So you are a bird lover.
Rustys Mommy

Providence, UT

#94 Aug 23, 2014
Republicans Are Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>So you are a bird lover.
Son we know you love them big ole long black birds don't ya boy.
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#95 Aug 23, 2014
Rustys Mommy wrote:
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Son we know you love them big ole long black birds don't ya boy.
Tell us all about your fetish you tard pos.
Lmfao

Providence, UT

#96 Aug 23, 2014
Republicans Are Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>Mommy don't tell everybody about my yard ape fetish ok.
Lmfao
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#97 Aug 23, 2014
Lmfao wrote:
<quoted text>Lmfao
Still your stupid self.
Lmfao

Providence, UT

#98 Aug 23, 2014
Republicans Are Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>Still your stupid self.
Whats the matter Tinkerbell did I piss you off?
Get over it buttercup that's what I do.
Coal Sucks

Prestonsburg, KY

#99 Aug 23, 2014
Let me see, no more coal! No more coal truck dragging mud all over roads that turns to dust, can't keep a car clean. Coal Trucks busting up the roads, running you off the road, tearing up any new blacktop they can find. The noise, the filth, the reckless driving. Then you add the environmental damage, killed all the creeks and streams in Pike County. Strip jobs are the worst, the very worst, I have never seen such destruction of the forest of a region. No other part of Appalachia would allow it. I will dance me a jig and throw a party when the last damn coal mine in Eastern Ky. is shut down. Coal, good riddance, thank god it is almost over!
Kingfish

Jacksboro, TN

#100 Aug 23, 2014
Coal Sucks wrote:
Let me see, no more coal! No more coal truck dragging mud all over roads that turns to dust, can't keep a car clean. Coal Trucks busting up the roads, running you off the road, tearing up any new blacktop they can find. The noise, the filth, the reckless driving. Then you add the environmental damage, killed all the creeks and streams in Pike County. Strip jobs are the worst, the very worst, I have never seen such destruction of the forest of a region. No other part of Appalachia would allow it. I will dance me a jig and throw a party when the last damn coal mine in Eastern Ky. is shut down. Coal, good riddance, thank god it is almost over!
Do you work?
Coal Sucks

Prestonsburg, KY

#101 Aug 23, 2014
Kingfish wrote:
<quoted text> Do you work?
Hell NO! I am retired, and never dug dinosaur s#*t for a living, there is life without coal. Coal is the worst damn thing that ever happened to this place. Unless you were a coal corporation it was a suckass existence and never worth the damage to the area.
Kingfish

Jacksboro, TN

#102 Aug 23, 2014
Coal Sucks wrote:
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Hell NO! I am retired, and never dug dinosaur s#*t for a living, there is life without coal. Coal is the worst damn thing that ever happened to this place. Unless you were a coal corporation it was a suckass existence and never worth the damage to the area.
Government employee?
Republicans Are Stupid

Pikeville, KY

#103 Aug 24, 2014
Kingfish wrote:
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Government employee?
You are Government Dependent.

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