Oaks Neighborhood Association or Secr...

Oaks Neighborhood Association or Secret Society?

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OaksMayor

Phoenixville, PA

#1 Apr 9, 2011
If your going to have a Neighborhood Association wouldn't you think that you would welcome everyone in the neighborhood to attend? Not if you live in Oaks!! John Garay and Gil Zimmerman and others pretend as if everyone is welcome but the truth is you're only welcome IF your ideas are line with what they want them to be. I am very upset that these people are self-appointed speakers and ambassadors of my neighborhood. they have now disabled the discussion page in the oaks neighborhood link because they did not appreciate anyone that might think in a way adverse to theirs. why else would the meetings be held in a secret location that nobody will tell you? There is never anything posted about WHEN, or WHERE, or WHAT HAPPENED (recording of minutes) which is a standard operating procedure for your typical neighborhood group. If you see "we can do better" signs in the streets of Oaks, kindly dispose of them as they are a farce, and rubbish. If everyone in Oaks gives a hand we can clean it up!

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#2 Apr 10, 2011
I notice they also took away access to the forums on their site, too. I wonder what happened with that.
OaksGuy

Ardmore, PA

#3 Apr 11, 2011
If true, this is very disturbing. Such an Association should consider input of the ENTIRE neighborhood to be truly representative. Otherwise there might as well be the mouthpiece of some outside interest.
Danno

Ardmore, PA

#4 Apr 11, 2011
You can still access the forums. You just need to log in to access them.

And quit your whining, just because they threw you out for making inappropriate comments. They're trying to do a good thing, in their spare time. Yeah, yeah, they are't overly forth coming with the information your were looking for, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't seem like there out to take over the world, or even Oaks for that matter. Just make it a better place for everyone to live.

Maybe if you weren't so immediately confrontational, they may have responded to you a little more favorably.

Just saying.
OaksGuy

Ardmore, PA

#5 Apr 11, 2011
I have to say this really looks bad for the Oaks Association. User Name login moves toward exclusivity rather than inclusiveness. If the organization is truly representing the neighborhood, then it must have some dissent within its own ranks because you seldom get three people to agree on any one point.
If Oaks Mayor isn't allowed to voice his opposition in the manor he chooses without repercussions, than the Oaks Neighborhood Association becomes nothing more than a group of people who have sold their opinions to the Minority leadership. That is clearly not the definition of a Neighborhood organization, and I for one would be very dubious of the intentions of such an organization.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#6 Apr 11, 2011
Danno your reiterating my point. Not everyone can see what's going on, not everyone is welcome to participate and voice their opinion.
Please point out to me one instance that I was inappropriate. I was very careful not to be, although I could have been very personal and hurtful to these people.
Before they shut the page down there were 30 people registered with the ONA, 15 of which had never posted anything to participate. How is it possible that these people are allowed to speak for all of Oaks?
They need to change the name to the "Left wing Lobbyist faction for the building of sidewalks and shed patrol" Oaks, PA #456.
They are not a Neighborhood Association, nor do they want to be.
I will be the first to say not everyone in Oaks is a Class "A" citizen, but they still live here and if they continue to call themselves such then they need to include everyone even the undesireables.

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#7 Apr 11, 2011
I *DID* log in yesterday, and it still told me I couldn't access the forums. Specifically says, "You don't have permission to view the requested page. You have been redirected to the neighborhood home page."

If you're still able to access it, I guess you must be of the uber-special elite or something. Not one of us simple plebians.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#8 Apr 11, 2011
Danno in reply to your comment about me being confrontational from the beginning, previous to this I had already been promised in person by one of them that they would get me the information to be involved and then was never followed up with. I have spoken to two other people that had a similar experience. And since you say you still have access to the forum then look for Mark S.' comment that he agrees that they have not reached out to the community for new members enough.
OaksGuy

Ardmore, PA

#9 Apr 11, 2011
Whoa Oaks Mayor - what's with the "undesirables" nonsense? Who is being elitist now?

I think I have a better understanding of how this meeting went now.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#10 Apr 11, 2011
I would include myself in the undesirables category as I disagree with them, I was not using it to describe social status, I was trying to phrase it from their point of view.
If they let in anyone who had an opinion, and they took a majority vote, would they still proceed as they do or would they take a different direction? I say they are afraid if they let in everyone they would lose control of the group and they can't let that happen. Therefore exclusive membership is their choice but then they should not give false representation that they speak for the entire community.
John from Oaks

Paoli, PA

#11 Apr 12, 2011
Oaksmayor - The issue is that you personally attacked/mocked others after being warned to keep things on topic and constructive. Simple as that.(Your tone here illustrates the issue)

Mandapants - To address the issue with OaksMayor, the discussion forums were made available only to registered users of the Oaksneighbors site. All registered users of Oaksneighbors.org have acess to the discussion forums. Are you sure you are registered and logged in?

Oaks Neighborhood Association is simply trying to better our community by dealing with things like development, traffic, safety, etc. we invite all members of the community who are ready and willing to constructively engage to join us. We recognize that not everyone will share our views or perspective, but we hope that everyone has the common goal of making things better in our area.

BTW: We are just concerned residents who live in the Oaks community - we have no corporate backing or other ulterior motives.

Cheers. John from Oaks
John from Oaks

Paoli, PA

#12 Apr 12, 2011
BTW:
We have granted access to everyone who has requested access to the oaksneighbors.org website.

In the case of OaksMayor, it seems he even used a fake generic name on his request but we let him in anyways in the effort to be inclusive.

Oaksmayor is the *only* person ever removed, again because of repeated personal attacks/mocking.

The Oaks Neighborhood Association want to grow our representation and reach more members of the Oaks community. We welcome your energy and enthusiasm for improving our community. Simple as that.

Regards,
John from Oaks
oaksneighbors.org

“People smell funny.”

Since: Nov 07

East Vincent, PA

#13 Apr 12, 2011
John, I am currently logged in, trying to access the forums, yet I still do not have access to them and it keeps redirecting me to the home page. I have been a registered user since January, and while I've only participated once in the forums, I did like to check in to see what was going on every once in a while.

Even as Oaks Guy pointed out, having to log in *just* to see the forums is ludicrous. Should the discussions not be open to everyone to see? If they wish to participate, then they can create an account and log in - that's what I did. I don't understand why the sudden exclusivity just to see what's going. Are you conducting actual in-person meetings? How are people supposed to find out if they can't even view the forums?
Pat

Wayne, PA

#14 Apr 12, 2011
John from Oaks- I followed you discussions when they were open discussions and I have to say that I disagree with your preception of oaks mayor on you blog. All he did was call you out in not being open with the residence of oaks and you kicked him out. Shame on you. You are not fairly representing the community. I would love for you to post the time and place of your meeting to voice my thought on bettering my community. It was asked of you on several occasions and you still will not post that in information. Oaks mayor was not the only person wanting that information.
OaksGuy

Ardmore, PA

#15 Apr 12, 2011
Well I think John from Oaks intentions are good, but I still maintain locking the forums is a mistake, if only because the perception of exclusiveness is the last thing the Association wants.

We all live here, and yes we all have different ideas about how to better our neighborhood. I think it would be best if all ideas competed in the ideological marketplace. Even ideas that may seem Out There at first could with modifications lead to a great solution. That seems the wisest course, and it also promotes unity. The one thing that the people who would try to ruin Oaks from the outside would love best is if there was dissension among the neighborhood.
JustYourFriendly Neighbor

Phoenixville, PA

#16 Apr 12, 2011
I have lived in Oaks for the past several years and have watched the development and traffic get more and more intrusive - much like every other area in Upper Providence.

While I have not been involved in the association's efforts to this point, I personally know some of the people who have given their time and energy to the effort -- and I applaud them.

There is a lot of passion on these topics and many different personalities involved. We all need to respect each other and understand that we will not always agree with each other.

It's really easy to attack people when you have the complete anonymity of the web. For anyone who wants to be involved and have their voice heard, maybe you should attend the Oaks Clean Up Day and get to know your neighbors. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I personally don't see how calming traffic and keeping Oaks safe and desirable to live in should be an issue for anyone. As a homeowner, I appreciate any efforts to keep my property value stable and my kids safe.
Pat

Wayne, PA

#17 Apr 12, 2011
Personally, I am not trying to attack anyone. I just feel like everyone who wants to participate should be allow. I know some of these people an a personal level as well. I agree that they have great intentions but need to include everyone if they are going to call themselves the Oaks Neighbors Association.
Patty

Royersford, PA

#18 Apr 12, 2011
Wow, there are some very angry people out there & I for one am a little surprised by these allegations. I would love to know where all of you were when my husband, myself & our 2 dogs walked door-to-door through your neighborhoods (back in the fall), along with several others, to try & stir up interest in starting a neighborhood association. We were hoping we would've gotten more interest & decided to start trying to collect email addresses to keep people informed. We got a HANDFUL of people who showed any interest. Mr. Oaksmayor, please identify yourself so I can personally invite you to our next meeting - my husband & I host most of the meetings-not because we are "sharing secrets" but b/c it's the only way we can both be there. We have tried as a group to find more public places to meet but due to either cost or noise, a home atmosphere works better & by the way...we don't all agree with each other which is the beauty of getting people in a group atmosphere. I'm curious as to why you would think we are working against the community? All you do is complain about not being invited when we would love your passion at a meeting - the ONA are wonderful, community-minded people who have a lot of good ideas...and, if you'd like to show up just to tell us you don't like what we are doing then please do so but along with that I expect that you will offer up some alternative ideas - fair enough?Another question...if we are so secretive how is it that you know of all of this negativity that goes on at our meetings? Are you sure you aren't talking about another group? Right now I can't take you too seriously b/c you remain anonymous. Respectfully, your neighbor Patty

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#19 Apr 12, 2011
Patty- I am not looking for a personal invitation. I'm not looking for admission in to the club. I want an open invitation to EVERYONE in the neighborhood.
Everyone here is anonymous, and I will remain so that is the nice part of speaking this way is that I can do so with no concerns of any personal retribution if someone wanted to take something beyond words. Would I really be welcomed with open arms now after this and no hard feelings or ill will? I don't believe so.
All of my knowledge of the ONA is either from the discussion website which was taken down or from personal experience with ONA members. So exactly what public venues have you tried to have meetings at? and was it posted in advance where and what time so if someone wanted to be there they would be able?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#20 Apr 12, 2011
I do not feel I have personally attacked anyone. If you or anyone else did not want to defend their position on anything they said then they should not have posted.
I am fully ready to defend anything I have posted and don't feel I have crossed any lines drawn with anything I have said.
"JustYourFriendlyNeighbor " said " I personally don't see how calming traffic and keeping Oaks safe and desirable to live in should be an issue for anyone. As a homeowner, I appreciate any efforts to keep my property value stable and my kids safe." I agree except that it should be open to everyone, not just who "Patty" and her husband and friends want to invite. Tell me you didn't skip certain houses when you were going to door to door because you had a preconcieved notion of the type of person that lived there?

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