Guest essay: Puppy mill law targets emotional, but valid, concern

In a recent editorial, Robert Yarnall, president of the American Canine Association, based in Phoenixville, described Gov. Full Story
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JDMagee

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Aug 20, 2008
I wonder how much Mr. Hickey is getting paid for his services?
I Feel Your Pain

Landisburg, PA

#22 Aug 20, 2008
Justplainfoolishmess wrote:
YoYo -you noted "everytime I walk into a pet store to buy food or supplies & see people "awing" over the pets & not realizing what they are doing to the puppy mill & pet store markets by purchasing these animals."
I'd like to make a suggestion if you don't mind....please DO NOT purchase dog food or supplies from any pet store that openly sells dogs and cats for profit, not placement. PetSmart, Franklin Hardware and Pet Center and Tractor Supply all sell abundant pet food and supplies for reasonable prices without pushing animals in cages from questionable sources. When PetSmart or Franklin Hardware promote animals they are rescue animals, shelter animals, strays or animals brought in by owners who no longer want them. Any associated costs are for responsible neutering and vaccines. There is only one Pet Store in the Chambersburg area that I am aware openly sells dogs and cats from questionable breeding environments. Don't support them until they stop selling their back yard bred, hobby bred, puppy mill dogs!
I concur with buying NOTHING from a store that sells pups. There are TWO in our area, one in Fayetteville, and one in the Walmart area. Also don't do business with the one in Gettysburg, nor the one in Fairfield, if you want to make an anti-puppymill statement. "Hobby breeders" is a term that is a bit unclear. Some time ago,'hobby breeder' was the term used for a breeder who was responsible in breeding practices because they tested their breeding animals for genetic problems before breeding, knew their breed's standard inside out, upside down and backwards, and showed and/or worked their dogs to prove the merit of breeding them. I don't define people who breed Muffy to Fluffy because "They're cute" as hobby or responsible breeders.
I Feel Your Pain

Landisburg, PA

#23 Aug 20, 2008
JDMagee wrote:
I wonder how much Mr. Hickey is getting paid for his services?
I don't know what or even IF Mr. Hickey is paid. I do know from attending committee public forums that he seems rather radical and extreme in his views about eradicating ALL forms of breeding, even the responsible ones. Many people are unaware that one of the goals of PETA, and the more socially acceptable HSUS, is to absolutely eliminate ALL animal ownership, from meat, dairy, and eggs to pets. If ALL breeding is ended, that would efficently accomplish that goal. No pets born, no pets to be owned.

I feel that is too extreme. I find my dogs to be happy members of my family, yet they are still my property as well. I don't think they feel enslaved, and were I to open my doors and toss them out, they'd sit on the porch and whine to come back in. Though I own them, they are also my RESPONSIBILTY. I must make sure they get proper food, exercise, water, and necessary medical care. I think that is what makes it so hard to balance the concept of animals as property alongside the need to treat them humanely. Yet again, we also must remember that while they are family members in most cases, they are NOT humans. Animals are animals, and owners must be in charge of their actions and the situations they put their dogs in. All this contributes to the ability of all parties coming to an agreement that is acceptable to all walks of dog people, from pet owners to show breeders, so darned difficult. Everyone wants to do what is right for their dogs, but it is hard to define exactly what "right" is.
Justplainfoolish mess

Walnut Bottom, PA

#24 Aug 20, 2008
I Feel Your Pain wrote:
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I concur with buying NOTHING from a store that sells pups. There are TWO in our area, one in Fayetteville, and one in the Walmart area. Also don't do business with the one in Gettysburg, nor the one in Fairfield, if you want to make an anti-puppymill statement. "Hobby breeders" is a term that is a bit unclear. Some time ago,'hobby breeder' was the term used for a breeder who was responsible in breeding practices because they tested their breeding animals for genetic problems before breeding, knew their breed's standard inside out, upside down and backwards, and showed and/or worked their dogs to prove the merit of breeding them. I don't define people who breed Muffy to Fluffy because "They're cute" as hobby or responsible breeders.
I wasn't aware of a Pet Store selling dogs in Fayetteville so I appreciate the heads up. I am familiar with the one next to Walmart and I wouldn't buy a pooper scooper from that place, let alone a dog. I also appreciate your clarifying the definitions of a "backyard" or "hobby" breeder because these are terms that have been stripped of their integrity and are very confusing. People who breed for the sake of a buck, don't care about lineage or any other genetic details and sell to pet stores should never be considered responsible breeders.
I Feel Your Pain

Landisburg, PA

#25 Aug 20, 2008
Yep. It's on Rt. 30 across from Norlo Park.
Justplainfoolish mess

Walnut Bottom, PA

#26 Aug 20, 2008
I Feel Your Pain wrote:
Yep. It's on Rt. 30 across from Norlo Park.
Thanks! Now I know and I'll be on the lookout and spreading the word to all of my numerous anti puppy mill friends!
YoYo

Greencastle, PA

#27 Aug 20, 2008
Justplainfoolishmess wrote:
YoYo -you noted "everytime I walk into a pet store to buy food or supplies & see people "awing" over the pets & not realizing what they are doing to the puppy mill & pet store markets by purchasing these animals."
I'd like to make a suggestion if you don't mind....please DO NOT purchase dog food or supplies from any pet store that openly sells dogs and cats for profit, not placement. PetSmart, Franklin Hardware and Pet Center and Tractor Supply all sell abundant pet food and supplies for reasonable prices without pushing animals in cages from questionable sources. When PetSmart or Franklin Hardware promote animals they are rescue animals, shelter animals, strays or animals brought in by owners who no longer want them. Any associated costs are for responsible neutering and vaccines. There is only one Pet Store in the Chambersburg area that I am aware openly sells dogs and cats from questionable breeding environments. Don't support them until they stop selling their back yard bred, hobby bred, puppy mill dogs!
Didn't mind at all, I appreciate you clarifying that. I 99.9% of the time do purchase my supplies/food at Central Tractor or Franklin Feed just for the very reason that I don't want to support them in ANYway.(especially with all that I have witnessed with dogs that have come from there) I try to avoid the "Pet Stores" at all costs. However, there had been a rare time or two when the particular brand of food I use was only sold at one of the above & was sold out. And believe me when I had to go to this particular "pet store" I went "kicking & screaming"!!!
Now my food is being supplied by all the above including Petsmart which guarantees I will never purchase another thing from them. Hopefully word gets around & more people will follow!!
newburg pa

United States

#28 Aug 20, 2008
Chambersburg wrote:
Am I correct in saying that most puppy mills in Pennsylvania are Amish. You know all you have to do is look at the Amish farms and how awlful all their animals look. I have seen horses in fields that look awlful(Skinny, Ragged and actually look sad.) I wonder if the legislators have some kind of deal with the lobbyists that these laws cannot get passed.
I worked for the humane society for 4 years as a police officer .I never removed a horse fm a Amish farm .I did take lots of horses fm non Amish they call us English .the Amish usually take good care of their horses. They are their means of transportation and farm use, if their horse is down they can't farm or have limited transportation. I hate to say this but most English treat their horses as pets, most never really work they just stand around bored to death fat and lazy locked in stalls. AS for dogs some Amish do breed dogs it's a fast way to make money and supplement their income. That is a problem that needs to be addressed .the dog law officers are doing a great job in inspections and law enforcement they just need more people and judges need to treat them like a regular police officer. And again most English dogs are house pets no jobs just lay around fat and happy, over fed table scraps and some just chained in the yard with no or very little contact. Just a different type of abuse. THE humane society and dog law officers are doing their best to train and re educate dog and other pet owners .without your calls they are very limited in finding abused animals ,just donít use your call as a weapon against your neighbor.
mae

Madison, NJ

#29 Sep 11, 2008
The problem is overbreeding. There needs to be laws that curb all owners in overbreeding animals. We have to stop the source of the problem before one can find a solution.

Puppy Mills without question should be shut down and these people should be punished by law.

Wasn't Huntington Beach, CA trying to find a way to have laws passed or government involved to stop overbreeding?

Maybe private owners should only be allowed to breed so many animals a year. Puppy Mills should be shut down. There needs to be some sort of regulation....and of course spaying animals. It sounds so simple, doesn't it?

But like everything, it always comes down to greed and the Almighty dollar!
I love my Dog but

Princeton Junction, NJ

#30 Sep 11, 2008
Does anybody remember when the TV preachers The Bakers home was raided and they found an air-conditioned dog house. Now that was alittle over the top..
Kerouac

Colonia, NJ

#31 Sep 11, 2008
If this bill doesn't make it thru intact and in the original format it was intended as, I can promise you, that every smart pet will pee on your couch. You think WE are dumb animals, that will put up with whatever you feed us, but you are wrong. WE KNOW!!

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