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“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#1 Feb 25, 2008
http://vip.latnet.lv/LPRA/ethnic_cleansing.ht...

*After the invasion of Poland in 1939, the Red Army committed several horrifying war crimes in the city of Lviv (Lwow, Lvov, Lemberg, Leopolis). But Rockwell Kent, an American tourist and humanist, who was in the eastern Poland (western Ukraine) during the Soviet attack, greeted the Red Army.

The Soviet invaders who now liberated Ukraine from the yoke of Polish landlords installed their own Bolshevist dictatorship in the formerly Polish - occupied ziemie. To protect the Red Ukraine against the Ukrainian and Polish reactionaries, the Soviet commissars converted the old Catholic convent of the St. Brigide Order into one of the worst prisons in the eastern Europe, where thousands of Ukrainian and Polish patriots were tortured to death by NKVD-men. When the German army entered Lviv in June 29, 1941, they found in every cell of Brigidki jail a layer of a viscous mass. Dead bodies were stacked four or five deep on the cell floors. The Soviet policemen murdered about 3,500 prisoners before their retreat.

A Polish woman who visited the prison on June 30 reported:

I saw a table in a room covered with many corpses that had been beaten to a pulp. One dead man was seated in a chair with a bayonet sticking out of his mouth. I saw the dead body of a small girl aged about eight years, hanging from the ceiling lamp.

Another Polish witness saw more savage examples of the Soviet purge:

Among other bodies, I saw a female corpse, one of whose breasts had been cut off, whilst the other was deeply lacerated. Another woman's abdomen had been cut open; she had been pregnant. From the open wound, the head of an unborn child stuck out. All the teeth had been broken from the mouth of a male corpse. A small girl was dressed on the upper part of her body, whilst the lower part was naked and smeared all over with blood, especially near her private parts.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#2 Feb 25, 2008
That's the way it was in Lvov, Why_Me. And the worst tragedy, the final coup de grace, was Roosevelt giving Stalin a nod of approval to go ahead and take Lvov as his own. And from that moment on, the USA was in a state of denial about Poland. The media machine was put into action to remove Poland from the premier league.

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#3 Feb 25, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
That's the way it was in Lvov, Why_Me. And the worst tragedy, the final coup de grace, was Roosevelt giving Stalin a nod of approval to go ahead and take Lvov as his own. And from that moment on, the USA was in a state of denial about Poland. The media machine was put into action to remove Poland from the premier league.


Yes it was a bad thing with the USA giving control to eastern Europe. Then again, I haven't read anything about Ameicans cutting breast off of Polish women, cutting their unborn fetuses out of Polish women, massacring Poles by the thousands, deporting Poles to Gulags and Siberia by the tens of thousands, giving up Polish defenders to the Gestapo, raping thousands of Polish women after invading Poland along with Germany.

When you find those stories about Americans doing this please let me know with a link. Until then, I beleive it was the Russians who committed these crimes and not Americans, or Churchill.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#4 Feb 25, 2008
Come on WHy_Me, let's not get melodramatic about it. War crimes are a fall out from Political guidance. Who said anything about Roosevelt being the guiding had behind the actions of the NKVD, not me. So please don't get defensive. I'm not going to hurl a torrent of lets-burn-the-witch type of abuse at you.

You have already conceded that the USA gave control of Central Europe to the Soviets.

If truth be told, the US were in no position to give or take. By 1945 the Soviets were calling the shots. However, Roosevelt was a particularly weak leader of the allied coalition, and frankly a traitor to his Polish ally. His weak kneed nudges and winks to Stalin at Tehran and Yalta to take Poland, set the scene for the Communist tyranny that would dominate that part of Europe for 50 years.

Roosevelt had military, political and world domination bells tinkling in his ears. For him the sacrifice of Poland was a minor price to pay.

Roosevelt's biggest failure was that he was not able to recognize the Stalinism for the evil that it was. His understanding of Europe was on a par with the Great White Chimp who currently inhabits the same Oval Office.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#5 Feb 25, 2008
You like so many, need to learn how to distinguish between "the Americans" and the "US government policy", "the Russians" from "Stalinism" and "the Germans" with "Nazism".

Never make the mistake of identifying aspirations of various peoples with the warped visions of their often dictatorial leaders.

Same as today. The will of the American people, is not the same as the guiding influences on American foreign policy. Not by a long shot.

When I say Roosevelt, I mean Roosevelt and his advisers. I most certainly do not mean American GI Joe. Remain focused.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#7 Feb 25, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
Come on WHy_Me, let's not get melodramatic about it. War crimes are a fall out from Political guidance. Who said anything about Roosevelt being the guiding had behind the actions of the NKVD, not me. So please don't get defensive. I'm not going to hurl a torrent of lets-burn-the-witch type of abuse at you.
You have already conceded that the USA gave control of Central Europe to the Soviets.
If truth be told, the US were in no position to give or take. By 1945 the Soviets were calling the shots. However, Roosevelt was a particularly weak leader of the allied coalition, and frankly a traitor to his Polish ally. His weak kneed nudges and winks to Stalin at Tehran and Yalta to take Poland, set the scene for the Communist tyranny that would dominate that part of Europe for 50 years.
Roosevelt had military, political and world domination bells tinkling in his ears. For him the sacrifice of Poland was a minor price to pay.
Roosevelt's biggest failure was that he was not able to recognize the Stalinism for the evil that it was. His understanding of Europe was on a par with the Great White Chimp who currently inhabits the same Oval Office.
You seem to completely forget the role of Truman, the man who really sealed Eastern Europe's fate at Potsdam.
Where Roosevelt had argued the case for Eastern Europe at Yalta and Tehran, and obtained certain concessions, Truman gave everything away later.

Read Churchill's Memoirs. Churchill was a party to the 3 conferences and noted the shift in US foreign policy between Roosevelt and Truman. Where Roosevelt had treated Britain as an equal, Truman accepted it as a junior partner.

Truman's attitude has been explained by the fact that, in secret, he was aware that the atomic bomb was imminently ready and that the US had now a ace card against the USSR. Truman became desinterested in arguing about territories and zones of influence, confident that the atomic threat would keep the USSR in check in future.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#8 Feb 25, 2008
From the moment the Lend-Lease deal was signed by Churchill, there was a progressive reduction of Britain's importance in the war. The meetings of the Committee of Joint Chief's were located in Washington where Britain was treated as a Junior partner, only important for the naval assistance and supplying a base for the final Assault on the mainland. At the Tehran and Yalta meetings, Churchill did have some loyalty to Poland, but it wasn't overflowing, more of a nagging guilt that pestered him from time to time. Roosevelt on the other hand was only interested in securing Russian support for the war on Japan, and making excuses for delays in creating a second front. That was the state of affairs which was handed over the Truman.

When Truman went to Potsdam he felt like a boy in charge of the sweetshop, and Stalin was the shop owner who threw him the keys. Poland, despite all of its wartime sacrifices, was not even invited to Potsdam. The main decisions had already been made. It would have been possible to be tough with Stalin, but the school boy took the easy way out not knowing that he was signing up for 40 year of cold war.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#9 Oct 7, 2012
HealingTime wrote:
From the moment the Lend-Lease deal was signed by Churchill, there was a progressive reduction of Britain's importance in the war. The meetings of the Committee of Joint Chief's were located in Washington where Britain was treated as a Junior partner, only important for the naval assistance and supplying a base for the final Assault on the mainland. At the Tehran and Yalta meetings, Churchill did have some loyalty to Poland, but it wasn't overflowing, more of a nagging guilt that pestered him from time to time. Roosevelt on the other hand was only interested in securing Russian support for the war on Japan, and making excuses for delays in creating a second front. That was the state of affairs which was handed over the Truman.
When Truman went to Potsdam he felt like a boy in charge of the sweetshop, and Stalin was the shop owner who threw him the keys. Poland, despite all of its wartime sacrifices, was not even invited to Potsdam. The main decisions had already been made. It would have been possible to be tough with Stalin, but the school boy took the easy way out not knowing that he was signing up for 40 year of cold war.
Tell me hal...is "Healing Time" from the British land of Scotland a bad guy?

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#10 Oct 7, 2012
AbeUG wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me hal...is "Healing Time" from the British land of Scotland a bad guy?
I think the Scottish are the best of the British Islands well of course they are the closest British Islanders to us by genetics.

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I have met some Russians,Slovaks & Serbians online way more Pro Polish than this actually.

That doesn't stop you from hating Russians, Slovaks & Serbians though.
AbeUG

Bound Brook, NJ

#11 Oct 7, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the Scottish are the best of the British Islands well of course they are the closest British Islanders to us by genetics.
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But Healing Time said he's a Brit.
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
<quoted text>
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I have met some Russians,Slovaks & Serbians online way more Pro Polish than this actually.
That doesn't stop you from hating Russians, Slovaks & Serbians though.
I never really said anything about Serbians and I don't hate Russians or Slovaks.

My negative comments about Russians and Slovaks are to get at those Russia-First and Slovakia-First people who bash Poles. It always get their attention.
new poster

Lake Worth, FL

#12 Oct 7, 2012
AbeUG wrote:
<quoted text>
But Healing Time said he's a Brit.
<quoted text>
I never really said anything about Serbians and I don't hate Russians or Slovaks.
My negative comments about Russians and Slovaks are to get at those Russia-First and Slovakia-First people who bash Poles. It always get their attention.
Nonsense. You are constantly tossing around mean spirited ethnic insults against Fin-nazis, Lithuanians, Slovaks, etc.(-:
AbeUG

Bound Brook, NJ

#13 Oct 7, 2012
new poster wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense. You are constantly tossing around mean spirited ethnic insults against Fin-nazis, Lithuanians, Slovaks, etc.(-:
Like what? What comments did I say which were "mean spirited ethnic insults" to these groups?

Maybe you should walk your talk and stop being so thin skinned?

;-)

Also how is it possible to insult a "Fin-Nazi"? LOL

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