Bicyclist dies in Madison

Comments on Topix forums : MARSHALL A man killed in a Madison County bicycling accident had been traveling about 55 mph, according to fellow cyclists, when he failed to round a curve and crashed into a ... Full Story
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jumbob

Myrtle Beach, SC

#23 Jul 23, 2008
born here wrote:
alright! like to have a video of that. probably another **** Yankee!
Pfafftown is a couple hours east of Asheville, near Winston Salam. I guess he was one of those Forsyth County Yankees?

“PO'd Puddy Cat”

Since: Jan 08

Asheville NC

#24 Jul 23, 2008
unit1073 wrote:
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I'd like to see you pronounce his hometown (Pfafftown), particularly if you stutter.
Otherwise, I agree with the American Rag-head.
You mean stutter like the cat that got eat by the dog? LMAO.
buffering

Hickory, NC

#25 Jul 23, 2008
66 doin' 55 on a 2 lane. gravel, inertia or grease probably got 'em. let's call it 'deceleration trauma' and bid him farewell.

now, about those ineffective helmet laws...
Keith retired Gun-bunny

United States

#26 Jul 23, 2008
reasonable wrote:
As a cyclist who has done many white-knuckled descents in the Alps and Dolomites, it is too bad this happened. He probably had a mechanical or flatted. At those speeds, you're toast if the unfortunate happens. Fifty mph has always been my limit. VERY scary if you've never done it!
If he was just riding way out of control, well, what can you say other than than "Dayum."
Sorry for his family's and friend's loss.
I would venture to say that the poor chap was riding way out of control.

“Mars Hill College”

Since: Mar 07

Mars Hill, NC

#27 Jul 24, 2008
Shocked wrote:
That road is on the Hot Doggett 100 I believe.
Don't think so. I'm pretty sure this is the Paint Fork that is sometimes known as "the wall." It's at the Madison/Yancey county line (opposite side of the county from where the Hot Doggett routes go), and becomes Horton Creek on the Yancey side. I've come down it once on a bike (used to drive it all the time when we lived at the top of the mountain, before I got into cycling, so I wanted to give it a two-wheeled go). It's so steep it didn't take long for me to get up above 50 mph, and it would be really easy to let it get away from you in the off-camber curve which is where I imagine this happened, or if it was a flat or other mechanical he wouldn't have been able to do anything to make the curve at that location.
John

Auckland, New Zealand

#28 Jul 25, 2008
Three possible causes: mechanical failure, road condition (ie., gravel, pavement corrugations) or a simple loss of concentration/mistake. In all three possibilities, higher skill levels MAY have made a difference.

The gentleman was wearing a helmet but died anyway. You see, helmets only prevent some types of head injuries (not rotational) up to impacts of 23 km/h. Number 1: learn skills, 80% more likely to avoid crashing. Number 2: if you are in a crash, a helmet may help. It may not. Number 3: like car drivers (inexperienced teenagers through average adults, the elderly, and NASCAR or Formula 1 drivers) bicyclists are a widely varied group. You have kids going 5mph, commuters travelling 2 miles at 20mph, and recreational cyclists going 100 miles at speeds from 15 to 60mph. How about Tour de France riders? There have been less than 10 fatalities in a 100 years despite hundreds of thousands of kilometers travelled. The key is experience and skill. There is no single way to treat this entire group- they have different requirements.
John

Auckland, New Zealand

#29 Jul 25, 2008
Further to the idea that if he flatted he had no chance- this is incorrect. I have double flatted at 50mph in New Mexico, on a winding descent. I did not crash. On the same descent in another year, the US National road racing champion flatted and crashed spectacularly. He had minor injuries- they MAY have been worse had he not been so skilled at both bike control and how to tumble. Fabio Casartelli- Olympic champion, died after hitting a guardrail post in the Tour de France. Wasn't wearing a helmet, but nobody noted that the head impact speed was such that a helmet was not guaranteed to have saved him anyway. Most bicycle fatalities (and there are NOT that many given how many miles are ridden) are from motor vehicle impacts, and it is never reported (and wouldn't matter if it was, because often the coroner or interviewed police officer is not qualified to pass judgement on helmet physics) whether the helmet worn or not would have made a difference. At any impact speed over 30mph, a helmet isn't going to save you. All this said, keep in mind that the risk of injury while riding a bike is very very low. Cycling is proven to be statistically not much more dangerous than walking, and far less dangerous than riding a motorbike.
His Daughter

Kernersville, NC

#30 Jul 28, 2008
I wanted you all to know that my dad was a expert cyclist! For you information that posted the snide comment about the speed limit. It appears that he might have had a heart attack and therefore was not able to slow himself down. So before you post comment about people and their love ones read them think about what you are doing or saying! I would love to send you a dvd of the celebration of his life in hopes that if you don't know Jesus this might be something that could change your life. Proudly Thomas R. Carroll's daughter.
joe

Asheville, NC

#31 Jul 28, 2008
His Daughter wrote:
I wanted you all to know that my dad was a expert cyclist! For you information that posted the snide comment about the speed limit. It appears that he might have had a heart attack and therefore was not able to slow himself down. So before you post comment about people and their love ones read them think about what you are doing or saying! I would love to send you a dvd of the celebration of his life in hopes that if you don't know Jesus this might be something that could change your life. Proudly Thomas R. Carroll's daughter.
Many people live to post stupid and rude comments on this board. Accidents happen, Unforturnatly. Sorry for your loss.

“8 year nightmare is over”

Since: Apr 07

Lincolnton, NC

#32 Jul 28, 2008
Shocked wrote:
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I have to confess that I'll never understand the animosity that drivers around here hold toward bikers. I've been behind bicyclists in my car and I've never waited more than about a minute at most. There seems to be an unwarranted resentment here.
The comment was about going too fast on a toy.

“8 year nightmare is over”

Since: Apr 07

Lincolnton, NC

#33 Jul 28, 2008
joe wrote:
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Really? Did you speed in your car today?
NO!

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His Daughter

Kernersville, NC

#34 Jul 29, 2008
joe wrote:
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Many people live to post stupid and rude comments on this board. Accidents happen, Unforturnatly. Sorry for your loss.
Thanks Joe. I know that some are in need of something that my family has and that is Christ. If I did not have my savior then comments like this would anger me. I take comfort in knowing that my daddy left this life doing something that he loved to do. My dad rode his bike straight into Jesus's arms. I again would like to say that if anyone would like to have a copy of the celebration of my dad's life I would love to share this and Jesus with you.
Proudly: Thomas R. Carroll's daughter.

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