Union debate hits home in Petoskey
Hundreds of union supporters joined together Sunday in Petoskey to show their opposition of recent and pending legislation impacting collective bargaining.
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#1 Apr 4, 2011
Unions are good to an extent. But I think there should be right to work zones in Michigan. The unions wont accept all applicants, because there just isnt enough room or work. So what is everyone else supposed to do? Leave the state? I dont think thats fair.
#2 Apr 4, 2011
You make it sound like the unions do the hiring.
The employers still do the hiring. If there's unemployment its because they aren't hiring enough.
We should have employment quotas that say that if you are making a high enough profit margin you have to hire X number more employees.
#3 Apr 4, 2011
Yes, The employer does the hiring. But if the union has members out of work, the employer is limited to hiring one of them. An employer can only hire enough people to do the work that he has on hand. Just because one is an employer doesnt mean he has an unlimited amount of work to do. And if an employer hires more people, even if he has the work, causes the employer to invest in more equipment, tools, property or what ever to justify being able to keep more people busy. Therefore taking his profit margin away again and possibly even cause the profit to become a loss. An employer is like any other human. He works to benefit himself and his family. To be able to provide for his family. Food, clothing, medical costs, insurance, college funds, etc. etc. I personally have been an employer and have equipment, tools bla bla bla. Lots of times I have been so poor I couldnt provide anything for my family and would have been far better off working for someone else. I continue to be a business man in hopes of someday becoming better off. If I had the money that Ive invested in the business I could provide for my family quite well. I think a lot of people see an employer as being rich because of the things the business owns. Quite often it is simply not the case. The insurance, taxes and so many other factors often lead to almost starvation for the owners family and himself.
#4 Apr 4, 2011
Who is to say what the profit margin is? Do you want to review it weekly, monthly, yearly or what? As an employer or business man I have been out of work for months at time. While continuing to work 12 to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week in order to keep equipment, paper documents, tax forms and other things in order. All without pay. So I made a profit on a job. Who cares. Add the hours up and I work for far less than my employees. Sometimes that is not the case. Sometimes it all comes back. But an employer has to have enough self control, stamina, experience and ability to do almost anything to keep the business in tact.
What if an employer profits 10,000 dollars and then has a long lapse in work. Now an opportunity comes along and the business has no revenue to pay for fuel or wages and the equipment isnt ready to go. Looks like failure to me.
How many people could make 10,000 dollars last 4 or 5 months and still have enough money to operate when the next job comes along. Self control is the key. And there is just not to many people that have enough of it.
#5 Apr 4, 2011
I could say the same thing. Before I can hire you, someone has to hire the employer to do a job. What, do you think an employer is magic. Its the economy. What the government is spending money on. Is it infrastructure, housing, hospital investments, war or what. Yea, we can create a job here and there. That dont mean we will profit from it. Often times we create a job for the well being of an employee and cant even get someone to do it.
#6 Apr 4, 2011
I am a union member. I have been for over 20 years. The union work has been great to me and my family. It has provided us with more money than we ever had before.
But when I started a business, with every intention of being a union employer, I was surprised at the union members reactions.
I think there should be zones where nonmembers can be trained, at a cost savings to depressed areas, then passing them on to union areas, to become members, and to further benefit the unions and the new members.
Seems like a win win to everyone.
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