Fracking in Monroe County
Posted in the Peterstown Forum
#1 Jan 8, 2012
Sand and Proppants
Conventional oil and gas wells use, on average, 300,000 pounds of proppant, coalbed fracture treatments use anywhere from 75,000 to 320,000 pounds of proppant and shale gas wells can use more than 4 million pounds of proppant per well.
Frac sand mines are springing up across the country, from Wisconsin to Texas, bringing with them their own set of impacts. Mining sand for proppant use generates its own range of impacts, including water consumption and air emissions, as well as potential health problems related to crystalline silica.
In addition to large volumes of water, a variety of chemicals are used in hydraulic fracturing fluids. The oil and gas industry and trade groups are quick to point out that chemicals typically make up just 0.5 and 2.0% of the total volume of the fracturing fluid. When millions of gallons of water are being used, however, the amount of chemicals per fracking operation is very large. For example, a four million gallon fracturing operation would use from 80 to 330 tons of chemicals.
As part of New York State’s Draft Supplemental Generic Environmental Impact Statement (SGEIS) related to Horizontal Drilling and High-Volume Hydraulic Fracturing in the Marcellus Shale, the Department of Environmental Conservation complied a list of chemicals and additives used during hydraulic fracturing. The table below provides examples of various types of hydraulic fracturing additives proposed for use in New York. Chemicals in brackets  have not been proposed for use in the state, but are known to be used in other states or shale formations.
DESCRIPTION OF PURPOSE
EXAMPLES OF CHEMICALS
“Props” open fractures and allows gas / fluids to flow more freely to the well bore.
Sand [Sintered bauxite; zirconium oxide; ceramic beads]
Cleans up perforation intervals of cement and drilling mud prior to fracturing fluid injection, and provides accessible path to formation.
Hydrochloric acid (HCl, 3% to 28%) or muriatic acid
Reduces the viscosity of the fluid in order to release proppant into fractures and enhance the recovery of the fracturing fluid.
Bactericide / Biocide
Inhibits growth of organisms that could produce gases (particularly hydrogen sulfide) that could contaminate methane gas. Also prevents the growth of bacteria which can reduce the ability of the fluid to carry proppant into the fractures.
Buffer / pH Adjusting Agent
Adjusts and controls the pH of the fluid in order to maximize the effectiveness of other additives such as crosslinkers.
Sodium or potassium carbonate; acetic acid
Clay Stabilizer / Control
Prevents swelling and migration of formation clays which could block pore spaces thereby reducing permeability.
Salts (e.g., tetramethyl ammonium chloride)[Potassium chloride]
Reduces rust formation on steel tubing, well casings, tools, and tanks (used only in fracturing fluids that contain acid).
Methanol; ammonium bisulfate for Oxygen Scavengers
The fluid viscosity is increased using phosphate esters combined with metals. The metals are referred to as crosslinking agents. The increased fracturing fluid viscosity allows the fluid to carry more proppant into the fractures.
Potassium hydroxide; borate salts
Allows fracture fluids to be injected at optimum rates and pressures by minimizing friction.
Sodium acrylate-acrylamide copolymer;
polyacrylamide (PAM); petroleum distillates
Increases fracturing fluid viscosity, allowing the fluid to carry more proppant into the fractures.
Guar gum; petroleum distillate
#2 Jan 8, 2012
Are you serious? You think anyone will read this book length of jibberish you wrote that doesn't make any sense at all? Lay off the crack before your next post.
#3 Jan 8, 2012
Why must you be such a jerk I read it...here dumb I will break it down for ya..by the way your name suits you well..anyways if they do this this is going to make impacts on our county..it can cause health problems, damage to our air, and much more..in other words its not good if they do this..Do you understand?
#4 Jan 8, 2012
I don't care what they do.. Our air will be cleaner then San Francisco no matter they do. Ifbits creating job and supporting our local economy then screw it, do it.
#5 Jan 8, 2012
What is the source for your data?
#6 Jan 8, 2012
I think there's probably worse, if not just as bad, chemicals in our chicken and other foods sold at the grocery store. At this point its rather useless to even worry about most of it and how bad it is for us since we've all been exposed to it for years. And more jobs are a good thing. Might help keep the kids around here off the pills if they had actual work to do instead. And lower the gas bills if we start drilling for oil/gas in our own country instead of relying on terrorist to sell it to us.
Since: Sep 08
#7 Jan 8, 2012
This fracking will put cancerous chemicals in the water regardless of what source you use. As to bringing jobs these companies have already said we are too dumb and cannot pass a drug test so they are bringing their own people. The gas they might get will be put on the world market to the highest bidder. Shall I go on?
#8 Jan 8, 2012
Some of the workforce will be local, but even if they use out of town workers, those people will have to eat, stay, work, etc. in Monroe County, bringing a boost to existing businesses in the county.
Environmentalists use scare tactics to attempt to sway people into believing that the risk outweighs the benefit, when careful analysis and research into the facts show that this is not the case.
They have been using fracking technology in OK and TX for decades. Put your energy toward proper regulation, and quit filling people's heads with half-truths.
And if "Gasland" is a major source of information for you, look into all of the inaccuracies and misleading information in that film--it's ridiculous!!!
#9 Jan 8, 2012
They pump 67 different chemicals into the ground to pressurize the shale rock to break and release pockets of methane. Out of 67 chemicals only 6 are NOT toxic. The other 61 will kill anything on this planet if in direct contact. They use hydrochloric acid to dissolve rocks that block the gas path. All of this will end up in the underground water tables and how many people and farms depend on fresh water from wells in this county. Who cares if there are new jobs when half the county is evacuated because their land and water is highly toxic.
Since: Sep 08
#10 Jan 9, 2012
I for one haven't seen Gasland and they stated in the Watchman that they would not being hiring any locals! Some of us prefer to have clean water over what small boost they might give the economy. I know that they will do major damage to our roadways and who will pay for it? We the citizens of Monroe County! These companies are just out for themselves and don't give a rats behind about the folks in our county! Also have you even considered what kind of damage this will do to the land? You mention other states where they are, those places do not have the geological make up that we do. And another thing this kind of drilling can and does cause quakes, no thanks!
#11 Jan 9, 2012
"Some of the workforce will be local, but even if they use out of town workers, those people will have to eat, stay, work, etc. in Monroe County, bringing a boost to existing businesses in the county. "
For perhaps two years. After that, what happens?
The water table is ruined for 50 or 100 years. Your property values will go down, because potential buyers will want to do a water quality inspection before purchasing the house or the land. When they discover that the water is tainted, your property will be un-sellable.
You won't be able to drink the water without getting sick. So you'll need to pay for bottled water - for drinking, bathing, washing your clothes. Either that, or get expensive filtering solutions; probably so expensive that only an entire subdivision or a town could afford one, by splitting the costs and/or raising taxes.
The energy companies aren't going to pay for any of this. They'll extract the value out of your property, and then they'll move on to the next project. Tainted wells and polluted water tables will become like the toxic waste sites in Ohio and the Kanawha Valley - they'll sit for decades, waiting on some Superfund project to clean them up.
All this because you wanted a couple of years of business from the workers.
#12 Jan 9, 2012
too many statements are made to sound like a definite yes there is a possibility that there could be problems as there are anytime you extract from the earth but you need to be well informed on what you are saying for instance the earlier post about hydrochloric acid, well they use that in swimming pool water to maintain the ph so used in the correct proportion would not do any significant harm if leaked as far as jobs well how many people here have worked or currently work on wells so of course the initial workers will have to be experienced but if you go and join a union or apply and have the skill set needed then you will eventually get on it just takes effort they arent just going to give you the job just because your local and cant even keep a job at mcdonalds and the worse leak to date affected I believe 16 homes in pa me personally if they effect my well go ahead give me a nice chunk of change and start shipping in my water for me hell there is a ton of people around here that ship in water for cisterns anyways
#13 Jan 9, 2012
also when they did taint water they did ship in water or install the filtration systems granted it was court ordered lol but still the home owner didnt pay for it
#14 Jan 9, 2012
go to the peterstown photos and look at what fracking does to your proprty and farmland.
#15 Jan 10, 2012
See that's your problem u harp on something yet when u r proven wrong or stumped u jumped to other subjects it started out with chemicals then karst then earthquakes now it doesn't look pretty if you are going to stand for something stick to your guns and back up what u say with something that is from independent studies and not just anti fracking sites or let me guess if their studies r not in accordance to what u believe they must be in the oil companies pocket the reason this is a controversial issue is because there r studies and facts that back up your beliefs as well as go against
Since: Sep 08
#16 Jan 10, 2012
If fracking is such a great idea how come England and France have banned it outright? I'll tell you why because of the damage it causes! One of the nasty chemicals used is benizine(? Spelling). They won't disclose a list of all the chemicals they use, that should clue a person in that there is something wrong there! Filtration doesn't work for your info, they turn the water radioactive and as soon as you try to start filtering it, it breaks down the filters. Our property values will drop out of sight as well. Who would want to buy it after what these companies would do to the land and water?
#17 Jan 10, 2012
"also when they did taint water they did ship in water or install the filtration systems granted it was court ordered lol but still the home owner didnt pay for it "
Not so fast:
In November, the company stopped providing residents water, unless they agreed to sign on to the settlement and get the filters installed. The Carters say the cleaning systems offered by Cabot won’t remove what they say are chemicals that have infiltrated their water wells.
And here's a photo of their water:
Dimock has become the template for the cataclysmic costs of hydrofracking to America’s communities, our water supplies and our environment,” said Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., founder of Riverkeeper and of Keeper Springs, which donates 100 percent of its profits to protecting America’s waterways.
“Imagine turning on your faucet to find water so contaminated that you can light it on fire. This is the condition that the people of Dimock face every day,” Kennedy said.“Their plight underscores the costs of hydraulic fracturing operations in communities across our country."
These companies do have documented evidence of fracking having ruined well water - but they tried to cover it up:
#18 Jan 10, 2012
"the reason this is a controversial issue is because there r studies and facts that back up your beliefs as well as go against "
Sounds like we don't know enough to go forward with fracking, then. If we can't say for sure that it's safe, then we have no business pushing fracking at the present time.
#19 Jan 10, 2012
For anyone who thinks that energy companies are being held accountable to replace your tainted water supplies or to repair your land after they are done, then this should be required reading:
Energy company officials say that standard leases include language that protects landowners. But a review of more than 111,000 leases, addenda and related documents by The New York Times suggests otherwise:
¶ Fewer than half the leases require companies to compensate landowners for water contamination after drilling begins. And only about half the documents have language that lawyers suggest should be included to require payment for damages to livestock or crops.
¶ Most leases grant gas companies broad rights to decide where they can cut down trees, store chemicals, build roads and drill. Companies are also permitted to operate generators and spotlights through the night near homes during drilling.
¶ In the leases, drilling companies rarely describe to landowners the potential environmental and other risks that federal laws require them to disclose in filings to investors.
¶ Most leases are for three or five years, but at least two-thirds of those reviewed by The Times allow extensions without additional approval from landowners. If landowners have second thoughts about drilling on their land or want to negotiate for more money, they may be out of luck.
#20 Jan 10, 2012
be fair- you are a stupid, stupid person. This list of chemicals came directly from the osha site. How about drinking some of these with your dinner every night.
Table 3. Chemicals Components of Concern: Carcinogens, SDWA-Regulated
Chemicals, and Hazardous Air Pollutants
Chemical Component Chemical Category
Methanol (Methyl alcohol) HAP 342
Ethylene glycol (1,2-ethanediol) HAP 119
Diesel19 Carcinogen, SDWA, HAP 51
Naphthalene Carcinogen, HAP 44
Xylene SDWA, HAP 44
Hydrogen chloride (Hydrochloric acid) HAP 42
Toluene SDWA, HAP 29
Ethylbenzene SDWA, HAP 28
Diethanolamine (2,2-iminodiethanol) HAP 14
Formaldehyde Carcinogen, HAP 12
Sulfuric acid Carcinogen 9
Thiourea Carcinogen 9
Benzyl chloride Carcinogen, HAP 8
Cumene HAP 6
Nitrilotriacetic acid Carcinogen 6
Dimethyl formamide HAP 5
Phenol HAP 5
Benzene Carcinogen, SDWA, HAP 3
Di (2-ethylhexyl) phthalate Carcinogen, SDWA, HAP 3
Acrylamide Carcinogen, SDWA, HAP 2
Hydrogen fluoride (Hydrofluoric acid) HAP 2
Phthalic anhydride HAP 2
Acetaldehyde Carcinogen, HAP 1
Acetophenone HAP 1
Copper SDWA 1
Ethylene oxide Carcinogen, HAP 1
Lead Carcinogen, SDWA, HAP 1
Propylene oxide Carcinogen, HAP 1
p-Xylene HAP 1
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