Ta-Nehesi Coates: Why Do So Few Black...

Ta-Nehesi Coates: Why Do So Few Blacks Study the Civil War?

There are 11 comments on the Poor Mojo Newswire story from Dec 7, 2011, titled Ta-Nehesi Coates: Why Do So Few Blacks Study the Civil War?. In it, Poor Mojo Newswire reports that:

This piece is a culmination, for Coates, of months and months of work. He's been digging into narratives of the Civil War and studying the great big hole where the experience of black people in the war should be.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Poor Mojo Newswire.

Interesting but

Duluth, GA

#1 Dec 7, 2011
The civil war isn't quite over; therefore, studying it's progression is one thing but drawing a conclusion of it's totality is impossible, as of yet.

Until very very recently, the majority of my thoughts were based on the premise of applying anger in most responses. Not that I was actually angry or mad; the majority of people that I have met have expressed anger as the standard.

The civil war is more than fighting against prejudice and inequality, it's fighting to instill civility amongst men. Enough people just don't get it to effectively make the needed change come.

The recession has changed a lot of people's perspective but short of an all out war, something very big is needed to extract the enthusiasm for hostility from mankind.

Slurpee Summit
DUH

Carson, VA

#2 Dec 7, 2011
The elderly black gentlemen that I see are very cultured and well spoken and read. I think the question is better stated as such.
1. Why is the stupid black youth, with the pants hanging down to their crotch. holding their groin to hold the pants up from falling to the floor, cannot even read a simple ad in the newspaper, much less interested in their heritage. This is the fault of the poor excuse for Petersburgs school system to allow that, the hanging on to the girlie pops and necking in the hallways, doing nothing about it. This burg has the highest rate of teen pregnancies and the stupidest bunch of pants hanging teens I have seen in my 60 years. Look at their stupid look on their faces, the Richmond City Jail is full of these clowns, who are a burden on society, put them on a ball and chain, color notwithstanding and make them work like horses because that is the only way they will form a decent life for themselves, because of having had no father image because the mother having had been 12 or 13 years old, pregnant and gave birth to a crack baby or some alcohol baby that will forever burden the public sector. Put callouses on their hands and do not worry about their pea sized brain. This is futile, They sit in the Jail and cause trouble, run up the medical costs and are like crybabies once in the system. they snivel and cry because they have some problem with their teeth, not knowing what a toothbrush is, Why,peay tell, should the taxpayer have to pay for them and the poor excuse for the teachers that they have in this clown town. answer me that??
Slurpee Summit

Duluth, GA

#3 Dec 8, 2011
DUH wrote:
The elderly black gentlemen that I see are very cultured and well spoken and read. I think the question is better stated as such.
1. Why is the stupid black youth, with the pants hanging down to their crotch. holding their groin to hold the pants up from falling to the floor, cannot even read a simple ad in the newspaper, much less interested in their heritage. This is the fault of the poor excuse for Petersburgs school system to allow that, the hanging on to the girlie pops and necking in the hallways, doing nothing about it. This burg has the highest rate of teen pregnancies and the stupidest bunch of pants hanging teens I have seen in my 60 years. Look at their stupid look on their faces, the Richmond City Jail is full of these clowns, who are a burden on society, put them on a ball and chain, color notwithstanding and make them work like horses because that is the only way they will form a decent life for themselves, because of having had no father image because the mother having had been 12 or 13 years old, pregnant and gave birth to a crack baby or some alcohol baby that will forever burden the public sector. Put callouses on their hands and do not worry about their pea sized brain. This is futile, They sit in the Jail and cause trouble, run up the medical costs and are like crybabies once in the system. they snivel and cry because they have some problem with their teeth, not knowing what a toothbrush is, Why,peay tell, should the taxpayer have to pay for them and the poor excuse for the teachers that they have in this clown town. answer me that??
Prime example of what is the problem in the world, the creator of the above post.

Their heritage? American Heritage, the last time I checked was some traitors from Europe's heritage. It wasn't created nor established to be anything but theirs.

Until people stop classifying cultures and traditions as their own these problems will continue. The current economic policies in America are a symbol of these cultures and traditions. They know they don't work but as a part of tradition, they continue to inflict the damages.

Doing anything in the midst of a war is a reaction, the choice to participate or not, doesn't even become relevant for an African descendant or anyone else, for that matter. Everything from God to Heaven has been explored with the exception of pride not being directly associated with some form of anger. This dilemma has to be fixed from within.

Nobody wants to be the first to be not angry, when making their next decision. Europeans were angry because of the monarchy, in return they developed a superiority state of government which led to the suppression and oppression of anyone not like them. Now, we have several generations of others, not only perpetrating this anger against the oppressors but whites that are just as bad off as they are.

Poor and soon to be impoverished whites are finding themselves in need. The system can't accomodate them, it has to show that others are the problem or have the problems. There are some big tears falling from white eyes around America. Kleenex should be doing quite marvelous.
DUH

Carson, VA

#4 Dec 8, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
<quoted text> Prime example of what is the problem in the world, the creator of the above post.
Their heritage? American Heritage, the last time I checked was some traitors from Europe's heritage. It wasn't created nor established to be anything but theirs.
Until people stop classifying cultures and traditions as their own these problems will continue. The current economic policies in America are a symbol of these cultures and traditions. They know they don't work but as a part of tradition, they continue to inflict the damages.
Doing anything in the midst of a war is a reaction, the choice to participate or not, doesn't even become relevant for an African descendant or anyone else, for that matter. Everything from God to Heaven has been explored with the exception of pride not being directly associated with some form of anger. This dilemma has to be fixed from within.
Nobody wants to be the first to be not angry, when making their next decision. Europeans were angry because of the monarchy, in return they developed a superiority state of government which led to the suppression and oppression of anyone not like them. Now, we have several generations of others, not only perpetrating this anger against the oppressors but whites that are just as bad off as they are.
Poor and soon to be impoverished whites are finding themselves in need. The system can't accomodate them, it has to show that others are the problem or have the problems. There are some big tears falling from white eyes around America. Kleenex should be doing quite marvelous.
One would expect such a reply from a one language speaking English white person who has no idea about other cultures and the trial and tribulations that they had gone through. The fact of the matter, since there is no argument from me that the very first black slaves, in all probability came to this country in chains because their own countries wanted to rid themselves of them, crooks, deadbeats etc, as I stated, but this is not the question, shallow brained person, I said that the elderly black men that I have seen in this place were, for the most part cultured, polite, sober, hard working, GOD fearing men of color. Whereupon, now, the youth of color are a demented form of society which are better off killing themselves off in the streets with a stolen handgun because, in actuality, they do not have the slightest idea of the art of pugilism, had they, they would be a respectful sort, counting as a factor, age, race notwithstanding, sex, and education, of which, I fear, they have none.
So do you see the futility in your shallow argument as you compose your racist and shallow minded response to this confront.
You are either one of the racist people who categorize by color or heritage or just an uneducated person. Since you only speak one language, have the beginning knowledge of one of your mis-thoughts ideas of one thought of culture, where as the country is composed of many cultures and as I stated "The Elderly Black Men I have Noticed In This Burg, Are Cultured, Polite, Elegant< and Wise Beyond Their Years", as you sir are a shallow unlearned uncultured miscreant, not having the wherewithal to correctly answer my retort.
DUH

Carson, VA

#5 Dec 8, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
<quoted text> Prime example of what is the problem in the world, the creator of the above post.
Their heritage? American Heritage, the last time I checked was some traitors from Europe's heritage. It wasn't created nor established to be anything but theirs.
Until people stop classifying cultures and traditions as their own these problems will continue. The current economic policies in America are a symbol of these cultures and traditions. They know they don't work but as a part of tradition, they continue to inflict the damages.
Doing anything in the midst of a war is a reaction, the choice to participate or not, doesn't even become relevant for an African descendant or anyone else, for that matter. Everything from God to Heaven has been explored with the exception of pride not being directly associated with some form of anger. This dilemma has to be fixed from within.
Nobody wants to be the first to be not angry, when making their next decision. Europeans were angry because of the monarchy, in return they developed a superiority state of government which led to the suppression and oppression of anyone not like them. Now, we have several generations of others, not only perpetrating this anger against the oppressors but whites that are just as bad off as they are.
Poor and soon to be impoverished whites are finding themselves in need. The system can't accomodate them, it has to show that others are the problem or have the problems. There are some big tears falling from white eyes around America. Kleenex should be doing quite marvelous.


The system is already accommodating all the welfare and retard check recipients as of yet, off the backs of blacks and whites alike, much like, in all probability, you. Sure the system is in trouble and going broke, but the last time I was at the Richmond City Jail, It was run by a superior quality of men, mostly black in color, no panys hanging off their rear ends and demanding, crying, whimper, smelling of body odor and urine, while they ask for A and D ointment and preparation H. You get the picture. The civil war, at least the last one is over and in the annals of history and Blacks fought right along side of the whites for the North and the South, and, for your information, Germany had been beaten to the ground twice because of sheep listening to some puppet dictator like Hitler to become a world power. The Elderly Black Men I have Seen Hereabouts, for the most part have always treated me with dignity and respect whether or not I was on my harley and had colors on or not, furthermore I speak three languages, am familiar with more cultures than you, obviously can count to and can say with respect to the elderly Black Men and most all of the elderly women. They are a class of culture where you could obviously, never attain.
Yeah, sure, you have that overburdened school administation building behind the 7-11 store that accomplishes nothing by the virtue of the product they produce but that is because they are either afraid of the punk youth headed for jail or the loud mouthed ignorant pregnant youth following them around as they strut with their pants hanging down, get it right man
Slurpee Summit

Duluth, GA

#6 Dec 9, 2011
Without knowing the other idiomas that you're familiar with, I can't converse with you in them. I guarantee you, I not only speak several languages but also have mastered one's that are no longer spoken. I am a German born descendent of Israel, have lived in Greece, Turkey, Jordan and the Sudan. And I wasn't there as a representative of any other Nation, independently to clarify my stance.

I am still an Orthodox Jew by default. The only difference between you and I is your aptness to utilize anger as all of your posts have indicated. Speaking different languages doesn't make a person better than the next, by the way. Whether by necesity or curiousity it doesn't equate to being nor becoming profound.

What makes a person great is what dwells inside, after the obstacles have been overcome or experienced. At no time did you suggest anything that closely resembled a solution, being that you senses are so keen to recognizing the problems. Surely, you have to be capable of establishing a system to repair the broken fortitude of such a young nation.

Most of the elderly men, you speak of, weren't raised by the law of respect whomever gives you respect. They were raised to give respect up front and to respond accordingly. America's system isn't based upon the latter, anymore.

In today's America, industries don't give chances, they give jobs to people that have debts within the educational system or have held jobs over long periods of time.

I still trying(failing) to understand your feeble attack in regards to my receiving a government entitlement or supplement program. Was that intended as an insult or were you offended by the elegance with which I delivered my response. I didn't respond as such to demean you, it's just the manner in which I speak the language.

Then you take the defense of your position a step further and grade my posts? How elementary school's playground of a tactic was that. Go back and reread my first post. Apparently, reading versus reading comprehension compel the majority of misconceptions, misunderstandings as well as angry" big brained " ideas which happen to be plaguing the streets of America.

Just a word of advice, thinking isn't done in the brain; the mind handles that complicated apparatus.
Slurpee Summit

Duluth, GA

#7 Dec 9, 2011
And I live in Colonial Heights, haven't explored too much of Petersburg or any other surrounding city for the sake of historical value nor anything else. The past doesn't appease me.
The German Jew

Carson, VA

#8 Dec 10, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
Without knowing the other idiomas that you're familiar with, I can't converse with you in them. I guarantee you, I not only speak several languages but also have mastered one's that are no longer spoken. I am a German born descendent of Israel, have lived in Greece, Turkey, Jordan and the Sudan. And I wasn't there as a representative of any other Nation, independently to clarify my stance.
I am still an Orthodox Jew by default. The only difference between you and I is your aptness to utilize anger as all of your posts have indicated. Speaking different languages doesn't make a person better than the next, by the way. Whether by necesity or curiousity it doesn't equate to being nor becoming profound.
What makes a person great is what dwells inside, after the obstacles have been overcome or experienced. At no time did you suggest anything that closely resembled a solution, being that you senses are so keen to recognizing the problems. Surely, you have to be capable of establishing a system to repair the broken fortitude of such a young nation.
Most of the elderly men, you speak of, weren't raised by the law of respect whomever gives you respect. They were raised to give respect up front and to respond accordingly. America's system isn't based upon the latter, anymore.
In today's America, industries don't give chances, they give jobs to people that have debts within the educational system or have held jobs over long periods of time.
I still trying(failing) to understand your feeble attack in regards to my receiving a government entitlement or supplement program. Was that intended as an insult or were you offended by the elegance with which I delivered my response. I didn't respond as such to demean you, it's just the manner in which I speak the language.
Then you take the defense of your position a step further and grade my posts? How elementary school's playground of a tactic was that. Go back and reread my first post. Apparently, reading versus reading comprehension compel the majority of misconceptions, misunderstandings as well as angry" big brained " ideas which happen to be plaguing the streets of America.
Just a word of advice, thinking isn't done in the brain; the mind handles that complicated apparatus.


I also speak German and other European languages and have traveled extensively thereabouts. What you say of big business rings true, and as you are a Jew I also can present my father in Dachau and also many of my family went into Hitlers oven, In probability, more than you. Thinking and all action are centered in the brain, get the facts right, learn your anatomy, I understand your language just fine in probability any of your languages. your big words do not impress me, it is the truths and untruths intermingled within that fail to impress me
Slurpee Summit

Duluth, GA

#9 Dec 11, 2011
The German Jew wrote:
<quoted text>
I also speak German and other European languages and have traveled extensively thereabouts. What you say of big business rings true, and as you are a Jew I also can present my father in Dachau and also many of my family went into Hitlers oven, In probability, more than you. Thinking and all action are centered in the brain, get the facts right, learn your anatomy, I understand your language just fine in probability any of your languages. your big words do not impress me, it is the truths and untruths intermingled within that fail to impress me
I didn't know that there were different Jewish families??? Only one as far as I know of but what kind of person thinks that is a contest? Definitely not another Jew.

Why did you think I was attempting to impress you, just stating facts. Monosyllabication is a passion of mine. I don't use big words to impress, only to simplify a thought, when the so-called big word is commonly utilized.

You're speaking as if I somehow shamed you, because I wasn't the type of person you felt comfortable attacking. Excuse me, for making you to feel inferior.

I'm pretty certain that the connection between the mind and body isn't located in the brain. Let's just say, " spinal fluid " and it's ability to flow freely or as designed has more to do with body function than that of the brain. The brain serves as a toilet.

Honestly, I don't sense you're qualified to discuss neurological hypothesis; whereas, neurological specialists haven't even breached the subject themselves concerning how the mind is actually connected to a particular body. Do a little research about viral meningitis or any type bacterial infection, then challenge my understanding of spinal functions, where thought is processed or any other elementary school learned memory you happen to present as a valid response.

3 R's Students always amaze me. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic? You keep right on thinking with your big brain. What's the matter? What's the mind? Don't trouble yourself too much, I don't want you to get a headache or anything of that nature.
Peterson

Lake Elsinore, CA

#10 Dec 18, 2011
I think the reason more Blacks don't study the Civil War is because its usually introduced in schools as a war over slavery, which naturally focuses on African Americans at their most downtrodden and weakest historical point in this country. The economic impetus of slavery is not thoroughly discussed at the elementary school level due to its complicated subject matter. So, most black students intellectualize the War and its aftermath so as to avoid the highly emotional inner reactions they are feeling...and as we see...the discussion often spirals downward to what most historians say the war was not about: Race, bigotry and prejudice.
The Sinner Syndicate

Carson, VA

#11 Apr 19, 2012
One would expect such a reply from a one language speaking English white person who has no idea about other cultures and the trial and tribulations that they had gone through. The fact of the matter, since there is no argument from me that the very first black slaves, in all probability came to this country in chains because their own countries wanted to rid themselves of them, crooks, deadbeats etc, as I stated, but this is not the question, shallow brained person, I said that the elderly black men that I have seen in this place were, for the most part cultured, polite, sober, hard working, GOD fearing men of color. Whereupon, now, the youth of color are a demented form of society which are better off killing themselves off in the streets with a stolen handgun because, in actuality, they do not have the slightest idea of the art of pugilism, had they, they would be a respectful sort, counting as a factor, age, race notwithstanding, sex, and education, of which, I fear, they have none.
So do you see the futility in your shallow argument as you compose your racist and shallow minded response to this confront.
You are either one of the racist people who categorize by color or heritage or just an uneducated person. Since you only speak one language, have the beginning knowledge of one of your mis-thoughts ideas of one thought of culture, where as the country is composed of many cultures and as I stated "The Elderly Black Men I have Noticed In This Burg, Are Cultured, Polite, Elegant< and Wise Beyond Their Years", as you sir are a shallow unlearned uncultured miscreant, not having the wherewithal to correctly answer my retort.[/QUOT
MR. DUH.
it seems to me that Mr. Slurpee Summit has you over a barrel. As my parents were both slaves from Poland out of concentration camps, and yes, numbers tattooed on their arms.
You see, the word Slave came from the root word Slav, from the Slavic peoples, of which I am. Now, let me ask you, why is it that it is so convenient for a black person to pull out the race card to either demean or point out the fact that the white is either better educated or well spoken when you black people have had the same chances in life than the whites, and, in many cases, more chances. You whimper and cry inequality, when, in fact, it is the lack of moral turpitude that keeps your pants hanging down, drunk, doped up, resisting the urge to seek gainful employment and live within the means of such, and, if providence serves you IQ wise, to seek an education. In my many years upon this earth, I have met honorable folks of "color" who had never pulled out a race card like you, but had the motivation to sit in class and make something of themselves.
As you speak of the elderly folk of color, I agree and the detestable youth of color, also agree, but do not pull out a race card on whites, sir, because my parents were slaves and that is the "Top of the deck" where you pull some stale old card out of the bottom and shake off the dust. Get real now. Mr. Summit, I apologize for any previous disagreement. It appears I was in the wrong.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Petersburg Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Anyone bored wanting to hookup ? 11 hr 22yowm 1
News Citizens sound off at first meeting over changi... Jan '18 SJones 1
Petersburg city attorney made phony racist call... (Jul '17) Jul '17 OMG Petersburg 1
News Petersburg woman buys smaller water meter to re... (May '17) May '17 Sam 1
News Belton out as interim city manager in Petersbur... (Oct '16) Oct '16 sam 1
News What's behind the constant running water at bus... (Oct '16) Oct '16 Steve69 1
News Petersburg hit with lawsuit over $1.2 million i... (Sep '16) Sep '16 True Judgement 1

Petersburg Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Petersburg Mortgages