Creation Museum Draws Unexpected Crowds

Jun 24, 2009 Full story: www.cbn.com 87

The creationist museum draws large crowds. I think this will inevitably destroy what little credibility they may have had left.

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“No Allah: know peace”

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#82 Oct 12, 2009
Dogen wrote:
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Pretty much sums it up. For me the breaking point was when I read Josh McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict". I realized that this was not even good circumstantial evidence. It is pure rationalization. Since I was a fundie at the time it was pretty much like being hit in the gut. But here is the thing. If I had not seen it for myself I do not think anyone could have convinced me.
For me, it was a high school class on the Pentateuch. After we studied the Torah, I realized that Christianity simple could not be rationalized against what it said.
Dogen wrote:
Actually the Tao te Ching makes no claim for itself and Buddha actually told his disciples, in no uncertain terms, that what he taught should be investigated deeply and with skepticism. And if it was found to not be true then one should reject it.
OTOH neither Taoism nor Buddhism claim divine inspiration or even literal truth. Siddhartha reminded people many times that his words were like a finger pointing at the moon and one could not misunderstand worse than to think the words themselves were the point.
And I should have remembered that before I posted it...
Dogen wrote:
As for myself I have come full circle and once again affix the label "Christian" to myself abet with a twinge of desire to put an asterisk after it. But my views as a Christian are profoundly different than they were in my fundy youth. Now I am just a simple Buddhist/taoist/gnostic/deisti c-Christian.
LOL.
The Dude

UK

#83 Oct 12, 2009
arrow wrote:
I would hope that everyone would at one time their lives have the gospel presented to them so that they can see that the gospel is the Truth whereas their religions have flaws and are therefore false.
But your religion also has flaws, so therefore it is false then, yes?

This is the point where you claim otherwise, and so then we ask you to back up your claims with evidence.
arrow wrote:
Mr. Dogen, I will not be drawn into debate with you. I believe what I believe. End of discussion.
It always goes like this.(sigh) So given this, it is not unreasonable to dismiss your claims, is it? This also means, that if your purpose here was to preach, you have failed your god in your task.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#84 Oct 12, 2009
arrow wrote:
I believe what I believe. End of discussion.
Well, this pretty much sums up the entire "creationist" position, doesn't it?

NO amount of scientific evidence, NO logical argument, NO amount of reason, NOTHING will ever dissuade the "creationist" from believing in a goat-herder interpretation of a bronze age book of myth and fable.

ALL we can do is keep on providing the information, the links, the articles, the science, in the hope that there are a few people out in cyberspace (especially in America) who are still open minded enough to examine the evidence for themselves.

Rainbows?

Science, physics, optics, reflection and refraction of light on the inside of raindrops, angles of refraction slightly different for different wavelengths, color.

"creationism", they sure is pretty so that MUST mean that "goddoit".

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#85 Oct 12, 2009
arrow wrote:
I reckon you folks can believe what you want to because you will anyway.
One thing you can do is do the geneology in the old testament. That should give you about 4000 years; then add the 2000 to it. Of course, if yall don't believe the bible I reckon yall wouldn't go along with that explanation.
What is really sad is not the debate over the age of the heavens and earth but the fact that some of yall are atheists. Of course, some atheists have become Christians. Hopefully, yall will too before it's too late for you.
The assumption that the Bible is 100% factually correct is required before those genealogies mean anything. And, assuming the Bible is 100% factually correct requires a person to ignore the scientific method and basic standards of evidence. In other words, it's taking it as true without any evidence, and then discarding all evidence that contradicts the no-evidence assumption. Does that sound like a good way of determining facts to you?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#86 Oct 12, 2009
arrow wrote:
Nuggin, you wrote a lot of stuff. I will not address everything you brought up, but I will address a few. First, check this timeline out:
http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/timelineot...
Next, I have read the bible all the way through more than once. You made a wrong assumption when you said that I hadn't read it.
I do love God. I do want to go to heaven to be with him. He gives me everything I have, and his Son paid the ultimate price for me......and you if you will accept Him. If you were in a small boat lost at sea for days and days and then someone on a ship found you and saved you, you would be very thankful to that person. After you had recuperated for a bit, the captain asks you if you wouldn't mind helping out in the kitchen because they are short handed. You are glad to help out because of your thankfulness and gratitude for being saved. Apply this to Christian salvation.
Israelites wandered for 40 years because they were disobedient: they grumbled and complained. They are penalties for sin.
I have to admit you do have some good points (from a secular point of view) about being born into a Christian family and country. I am very thankful that I was. However, God put moral law into us, so we know that certain things are wrong. This is general revelation. God made the stars and everything, so there is evidence of his work. I would hope that everyone would at one time their lives have the gospel presented to them so that they can see that the gospel is the Truth whereas their religions have flaws and are therefore false.
By the way, if you have EVER seen a baby born, I don't know how you cannot believe in God. Just think of what is involved in the babies growth from the time of conception until birth; then you can watch him or her grow outside of the womb and marvel at that.
By the way Nuggin, were you born into an aethist family? Why do you believe the way you do? Did you start out in a "Christian" family, but possibly got corrupted by liberal, aetheistic, agnostic thinking college professors in those liberal, socialistic, anti-american universities?
It's sad that you can't think.

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#87 Oct 13, 2009
Liam R wrote:
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For me, it was a high school class on the Pentateuch. After we studied the Torah, I realized that Christianity simple could not be rationalized against what it said.

I guess we should remember, for all our moaning about fundys and their rationalizations, that they come by it honestly. They have a system of rationalization that is now nearly 2000 year old.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#88 Oct 13, 2009
Dogen wrote:
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I guess we should remember, for all our moaning about fundys and their rationalizations, that they come by it honestly. They have a system of rationalization that is now nearly 2000 year old.
My big complaint is that it is based solely on ignorance, and they are determined to drag as many people as they can down into their pit of stupidity. I can understand that 2,000 years ago, everybody was ignorant, there was almost nothing that could be caled scientific investigation, and education was based on memorizing what previous generations called great thinkers.

But times have changed. Now we have the scientific method. Science stands on its own worth and not on the name of the guy that first said it. No super secret decoder rings, no prayers muttered to the correct God to get the right effect. All science works the same for everybody, atheist or devout Christian, faithful Muslim or $cientologist.

But the idiot creos want to drag us back to the Dark Ages and read chicken entrails as medical diagnoses and waiting for the stars to be right before building a new mud hut.

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