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car007

Florence, KY

#1 May 10, 2014
Wow,,, I am not sure where to begin..... The retired police officer narrating this brings many questions to mind about his motives. I would love to know what type of area he worked in and how much police activity he saw of a criminal nature, not just traffic like most small departments.

READ what I write now because I am sure this will get misinterpreted.

The narrator begins by saying the accused had a previous DUI suspension, so I have to figure he does or should have known when there is a police car behind him with lights and sirens on, he is supposed to pull over.... NOT light a cigarette and turn up his radio and continue on driving, ignoring the law.

I am stopping at this point, we will never agree on what is rong even up to this point.

I will close this with, if people really do NOT want to have an experience with a Police Officer, follow the laws. That is the best advise I can offer. I , NEVER defend ABUSE !! All I am saying is, this is another case where someone made a poor choice that had a bad result.

If that retired cop feels that his ignoring the law is justified because he was Bi Polar and on medicine etc; I will tell you, that so called retired cop either was NOT really a cop or he surely did not know the law. How incredibly stupid he made himself look and sound. Operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of even prescribed medicine is against the law if it impairs you. Either he was impaired by it or he just made a choice to ignore the law.... Either way, its illegal.... Its that simple.

All else that happened, did so, AFTER the fact he did not stop as required by law... Kinda see a pattern here with people across the board in this country having no respect for the law... If people don't want to obey the traffic laws, DO NOT sign for your Drivers License. You are agreeing to obey all laws when you do and with penalty of forfeiture if you fail to. Its that simple....... Wake up and realize your ideas of the law DO NOT MATTER and if you behave in such ways, it can lead to serious consequences for you.. WHY is that so hard to understand ?

Again, NOT defending abuse, just trying to explain how to keep yourselves out of trouble with the law. Pretty simple.....
get reasonable

United States

#2 May 12, 2014
007 car. With all due respect sir to sum up the video of Robert Leone as a chase instead of torture is minimizing the Horror of this case. U state what any third grader can see which is he should have stopped and make a blanket stmt u are against abuse all the while talking about meds and your belief the narrator is not who he says he is. If I said I am in no way condoning ignoring an officer but went on to say the officers did this that didn't follow this that procedure it would insult your intelligence because anyone with half a brain can clearly see his extreme torture by 5 police cars was wrong. I'm 52 I never defended kids underage drinking as u stated. Sam's mom has been hacked online and people are saying horrible things to her. Tyler is not a helpless victim in all of this to need your protecting him. I'm shocked but not surprised by your comments in robs case. You can drive with medication once u know how it affects you and for u to mention that of all things and not mention the extreme destruction of this mans life as if he asked for every bit of what he got by not pulling over is ludicrous to me. You nor I know if Sam was trying to pull over and not block traffic like she was criticized for last time. The boy slandering the deceased u never corrected until u were called out on it. You are not de-escalating. Things at all and your comment that I would not agree that rob should have pulled over proves that. He did nothing I repeat nothing wrong to be pulled over and was tortured. Hospitalized and incarcerated. He did not break the law the 5 officers did and they got no punishment!!!!
get reasonable

United States

#3 May 12, 2014
Omg I just re-read your response. You question the motives of the person narrating the video? Newsflash it is shocking and people need to know what police do and get by with. Lastly you say there are serious consequences for not obeying the law? Are you serious? Apparently its called police brutality! Do you think using this video as a teaching tool of what happens if you don't obey a cop is a good thing? Jesus I learned nothing from you big man except you exposed what a hard hearted person who thinks you are talking to an idiot, like most cops think all people are dumbass idiots and end up treating people like dirt to be stomped on. you disgust me and i know why people are hunting cops for sport now! how dare you! sick sick sick. whats so hard for YOU to understand that YOU are not judge jury executioner and that consequence as you call it is not acceptable. talk down to me some more and i will be all over you like 3coats of paint!!!!!
Guest

Morehead, KY

#4 May 12, 2014
car007 wrote:
Wow,,, I am not sure where to begin..... The retired police officer narrating this brings many questions to mind about his motives. I would love to know what type of area he worked in and how much police activity he saw of a criminal nature, not just traffic like most small departments.
READ what I write now because I am sure this will get misinterpreted.
The narrator begins by saying the accused had a previous DUI suspension, so I have to figure he does or should have known when there is a police car behind him with lights and sirens on, he is supposed to pull over.... NOT light a cigarette and turn up his radio and continue on driving, ignoring the law.
I am stopping at this point, we will never agree on what is rong even up to this point.
I will close this with, if people really do NOT want to have an experience with a Police Officer, follow the laws. That is the best advise I can offer. I , NEVER defend ABUSE !! All I am saying is, this is another case where someone made a poor choice that had a bad result.
If that retired cop feels that his ignoring the law is justified because he was Bi Polar and on medicine etc; I will tell you, that so called retired cop either was NOT really a cop or he surely did not know the law. How incredibly stupid he made himself look and sound. Operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of even prescribed medicine is against the law if it impairs you. Either he was impaired by it or he just made a choice to ignore the law.... Either way, its illegal.... Its that simple.
All else that happened, did so, AFTER the fact he did not stop as required by law... Kinda see a pattern here with people across the board in this country having no respect for the law... If people don't want to obey the traffic laws, DO NOT sign for your Drivers License. You are agreeing to obey all laws when you do and with penalty of forfeiture if you fail to. Its that simple....... Wake up and realize your ideas of the law DO NOT MATTER and if you behave in such ways, it can lead to serious consequences for you.. WHY is that so hard to understand ?
Again, NOT defending abuse, just trying to explain how to keep yourselves out of trouble with the law. Pretty simple.....
You keep trying to rewrite history in order to change your image.
Also, see:
http://www.charlestondailymail.com/article/20...

Bad cops go to prison every day. Wouldn't want to be one though...
car007

Florence, KY

#5 May 12, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
Omg I just re-read your response. You question the motives of the person narrating the video? Newsflash it is shocking and people need to know what police do and get by with. Lastly you say there are serious consequences for not obeying the law? Are you serious? Apparently its called police brutality! Do you think using this video as a teaching tool of what happens if you don't obey a cop is a good thing? Jesus I learned nothing from you big man except you exposed what a hard hearted person who thinks you are talking to an idiot, like most cops think all people are dumbass idiots and end up treating people like dirt to be stomped on. you disgust me and i know why people are hunting cops for sport now! how dare you! sick sick sick. whats so hard for YOU to understand that YOU are not judge jury executioner and that consequence as you call it is not acceptable. talk down to me some more and i will be all over you like 3coats of paint!!!!!
Hmm,,,, as I read your first post you had me thinking you might possibly be an adult. Then I read this second post and I am convinced, this is really just another kid trying to sound like an adult. Your anger got the best of you, as usual, and your writing style went back to who you really are. Good try,,,,,,,, go buy yourself a few gallons of paint so you can begin painting as your mind is having delusions.

With any due respect, have a nice day and please don't speed so you wont have to worry about any confrontations with the police.
car007

Florence, KY

#6 May 12, 2014
Guest wrote:
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You keep trying to rewrite history in order to change your image.
Also, see:
http://www.charlestondailymail.com/article/20...
Bad cops go to prison every day. Wouldn't want to be one though...
Its NOT necessary for me to rewrite history, people who think like you continue to " repeat " history every day, just watch the news around the country and the tri state. One doesn't need to have a MS in Statistics to understand the numbers as they relate to those who make bad choices. Its highly probable for every one case you find against an officer, there are more than 10,000 others who have committed a crime in this country. Do some " legitimate research " and see for yourself. This does NOT indicate there is a systemic problem as you suggest. Check the Federal UCR..

Once, twice and Lord knows how many times I have to repeat this ( again, for kids with reading comprehension problems ), I DO NOT approve or defend Bad Cops !!!! It just makes you feel good about saying so because your angry and having such a hard time dealing with it. It is not unusual for kids to behave this way, its expected and that is another reason it is so important we have a court system with a judge to oversee the trial and the jurrors. Fortunately we have such a system , without it, all sides would be out hunting each other down and taking the law into their own hands as you suggest, is ok against police officers.

I cannot speak for the officers of " today " but if you ever wonder why some police officers react in an aggressive manner sometimes, look at what you and others write on here. That is a direct reflection on you and how others behave. If you want to speak such " Big Man " language, go ahead and put yourself out there in the line of fire dumb ass. I am sure there will be someone just as stupid as you who will prove you correct !

Plenty of kids speak in such fashion, the statistics do not support it. Again, only Delusions of Grandeur .

By the way, there are far more " Great Kids " in this world... The " bad ones " just like the " bad cops " are truly the " minority " Get that paint brush out and color our world, far too much darkness out here.
car007

Florence, KY

#7 May 12, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
007 car. With all due respect sir to sum up the video of Robert Leone as a chase instead of torture is minimizing the Horror of this case. U state what any third grader can see which is he should have stopped and make a blanket stmt u are against abuse all the while talking about meds and your belief the narrator is not who he says he is. If I said I am in no way condoning ignoring an officer but went on to say the officers did this that didn't follow this that procedure it would insult your intelligence because anyone with half a brain can clearly see his extreme torture by 5 police cars was wrong. I'm 52 I never defended kids underage drinking as u stated. Sam's mom has been hacked online and people are saying horrible things to her. Tyler is not a helpless victim in all of this to need your protecting him. I'm shocked but not surprised by your comments in robs case. You can drive with medication once u know how it affects you and for u to mention that of all things and not mention the extreme destruction of this mans life as if he asked for every bit of what he got by not pulling over is ludicrous to me. You nor I know if Sam was trying to pull over and not block traffic like she was criticized for last time. The boy slandering the deceased u never corrected until u were called out on it. You are not de-escalating. Things at all and your comment that I would not agree that rob should have pulled over proves that. He did nothing I repeat nothing wrong to be pulled over and was tortured. Hospitalized and incarcerated. He did not break the law the 5 officers did and they got no punishment!!!!
By the way, I chose to NOT respond to the ludicrous comment about Samantha . Great bait, but I wasn't biting. Same regarding your comment that Sams mom's account has been hacked and she is receiving horrible emails. I am not biting.. Again, proof positive Kids need more parental guidance when on the computer !
get reasonable

United States

#8 May 12, 2014
In reference to Sam's mom that is what she told over a thousand people on the justice for Samantha website so you are calling over 1 thousand people liers and her to. You know even in the bible when people were crying out for justice they prayed for horrible things to be done to others who oppress. We are only human. This is entertainment for you. Do you go by the name Ben Turner too? This is pure entertainment for you. I can prove my age but again if you need to pretend I am a kid so you can continue with your stupidity go for it. Don't break the law and you wont get beaten or killed by a cop, wow thanks for the advice! I'm glad your cop buddies didn't provide back up for you. Oh I was patronizing you calling you sir. You bit on that!
Guest

Morehead, KY

#9 May 12, 2014
car007 wrote:
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Its NOT necessary for me to rewrite history, people who think like you continue to " repeat " history every day, just watch the news around the country and the tri state. One doesn't need to have a MS in Statisticer, there are more than 10,000 others who have committed a crime in this country. Do some " legitimate research " and see for yourself. This does NOT indicate there is a systemic problem as you suggest. Check the Federal UCR..
Once, twice and Lord knows how many times I have to repeat this ( again, for kids with reading comprehension problems ), I DO NOT approve or defend Bad Cops !!!! It just makes you feel good about saying so because your angry and having such a hard time dealing with it. It is not unusual for kids to behave this way, its expected and that is another reason it is so important we have a court system with a judge to oversee the trial and the jurrors. Fortunately we have such a system , without it, all sides would be out hunting each other down and taking the law into their own hands as you suggest, is ok against police officers.
I cannot speacers react in an aggressive manner sometimes, look at what you and others write on here. That is a direct reflection on you and how others behave. If you want to speak such " Big Man " language, go ahead and put yourself out there in the line of fire dumb ass. I am sure there will be someone just as stupid as you who will prove you correct !
Plenty of kids speak in such fashion, the statistics do not support it. Again, only Delusions of Grandeur .
By the way, there are far more " Great Kids " in this world... The " bad ones " just like the " bad cops " are truly the " minority " Get that paint brush out and color our world, far too much darkness out here.
All of your posts from day one are available to other readers. You slowly are trying to change your image from the original "officers do no wrong" and "all young people are trash" to now a more reasonable approach.
I also get sick of the "line of fire" bs. Police work is far down the list of dangerous occupations. It is well behind farming, cab drivers, construction work, delivery persons, etc., etc. etc. as a dangerous line of work. Most police officers who are killed are killed when they chase a kid for squealing tires into a soccer mom's van hauling children. Yes, I know the kid was doing wrong but who's supposed to be the adult in this scenario? I mean besides the dead soccer mom? People are sick of decent, hard working people who are simply minding their own business being killed by immature persons in uniforms attempting to prove how bad they are.
As far as statistics are concerned, statistics indicate police officers are twice as likely to beat their wives as the rest of America as a whole including everyone from professionals to welfare moochers. Personally I believe it's clear that cops don't become wife beaters as often as men who are prone to beating their wives/girlfriends become cops. Bullies want to be cops. From your early posts it is clear that you would be a bully whenever opportunity arose.
Also, I'm not angry. Life is good for me. I have a great family and a great job which I have appreciated for nearly 30 years. I am simply aware of how the overwhelming majority of police officers work and feel it my civic responsibility to make others aware in my spare time. On the other hand your goal is to lie and deceive and promote the myth that the profession is made up of noble individuals who "put their life on the line" because they are so concerned for the weak among us when in truth predators and bullies are naturally attracted to the occupation.
I will always believe there are good police officers who do their job honestly and for the right reasons. I believe that about the local SO because the Sheriff is a good man who culls the herd, so to speak, of those unfit for the profession. I think he is one in a hundred, though.
car007

Florence, KY

#10 May 12, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
In reference to Sam's mom that is what she told over a thousand people on the justice for Samantha website so you are calling over 1 thousand people liers and her to. You know even in the bible when people were crying out for justice they prayed for horrible things to be done to others who oppress. We are only human. This is entertainment for you. Do you go by the name Ben Turner too? This is pure entertainment for you. I can prove my age but again if you need to pretend I am a kid so you can continue with your stupidity go for it. Don't break the law and you wont get beaten or killed by a cop, wow thanks for the advice! I'm glad your cop buddies didn't provide back up for you. Oh I was patronizing you calling you sir. You bit on that!
Excellent post, well done, Bravo; jumble words and comments to suit your needs. Your age is as insignificant to me as your comments.. You continue to post just as others do. Why ?

There is a lesson in this for you so listen real close here. My cop buddies as " you " refer to them made a choice, just like your friend did . Problem for both of them, it was the wrong choice and had negative results. Unlike you and some who post on here, you unfortunately will NOT learn from your friends bad choice. I did from " my cop " buddies ( your words ).

I learned that I need to take responsibility for my own safety, do not rely on anyone else to make that happen. That took very little thought to do and much less energy than you all have spent on here posting nonsense trying to justify why its OK to break the law.

Your friends actions could have gotten everyone in that car and around the area killed. Would you have been so supportive of her if that scenario played out ? By the grace of God, they were spared in my opinion.

I am sure if anyone else in the car was shot, the blame game would be spread out a bit here and not just the officer.

BUT, your probably right and I am wrong about " How " to prevent yourself from being a victim ! Some people just like being the victim and live in the state of denial.

Good Luck with that !
car007

Florence, KY

#11 May 12, 2014
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
All of your posts from day one are available to other readers. You slowly are trying to change your image from the original "officers do no wrong" and "all young people are trash" to now a more reasonable approach.
I also get sick of the "line of fire" bs. Police work is far down the list of dangerous occupations. It is well behind farming, cab drivers, construction work, delivery persons, etc., etc. etc. as a dangerous line of work. Most police officers who are killed are killed when they chase a kid for squealing tires into a soccer mom's van hauling children. Yes, I know the kid was doing wrong but who's supposed to be the adult in this scenario? I mean besides the dead soccer mom? People are sick of decent, hard working people who are simply minding their own business being killed by immature persons in uniforms attempting to prove how bad they are.
As far as statistics are concerned, statistics indicate police officers are twice as likely to beat their wives as the rest of America as a whole including everyone from professionals to welfare moochers. Personally I believe it's clear that cops don't become wife beaters as often as men who are prone to beating their wives/girlfriends become cops. Bullies want to be cops. From your early posts it is clear that you would be a bully whenever opportunity arose.
Also, I'm not angry. Life is good for me. I have a great family and a great job which I have appreciated for nearly 30 years. I am simply aware of how the overwhelming majority of police officers work and feel it my civic responsibility to make others aware in my spare time. On the other hand your goal is to lie and deceive and promote the myth that the profession is made up of noble individuals who "put their life on the line" because they are so concerned for the weak among us when in truth predators and bullies are naturally attracted to the occupation.
I will always believe there are good police officers who do their job honestly and for the right reasons. I believe that about the local SO because the Sheriff is a good man who culls the herd, so to speak, of those unfit for the profession. I think he is one in a hundred, though.
You post that BS and want me to believe you have no anger issues ? Right ! Your post is so obviously slanted against all reasonability, you confuse the good with the bad.

I haven't begun to speak of how " Noble " a profession it is. If you really had a friend or respected your local sheriff as you want me to believe, you would never make the comments about police officers above. I just cannot take you seriously. Why don't you call your Sheriff friend and ask him how he feels about those comments , especially this week, being Police Officers Memorial Week.

One of my friends was executed by a parolee from prison. I know what an execution is ! He was trying to help keep this man from going to jail when this man turned on him, wrestling his gun away from him and shooting him in the back of his head as he tried to retreat to safety. That will probably elate some on here but that doesn't bother me, I understand who they are.

You speak as if police work is a job for lowlifes in society... I didn't hear you say what your occupation was ? Your stats above do not support anything of any value here, call your sheriff buddy and feed that BS to him. I doubt you will.
get reasonable

United States

#12 May 12, 2014
THE LINK TO THE PDF COPY OF LAWSUIT FILED ON BEHALF OF ROBERT LEONE CAN BE FOUND ON LARRY HOHOL FACEBOOK PAGE. IT SHOULD BE GOING TO TRIAL THIS SUMMER. HIS CAR FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF ONE INVOLVED IN A MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENT EARLIER THAT DAY THUS THE TRAFFIC STOP THAT LED TO SEVERE ASSAULT AND 3 trips to the hospital once unconscious. A 9 hour incident at no time was he disrespectful to officers other than failing to pull over. He is released from jail. All the legal counts against the police and 4th &14 the ammendment rights denied are all in the PDF file. Including alleged accidental camera glitches at the court house. Please forgive fragment sentences I'm typing one letter at a time on a tiny phone. Its a privilege to read all of the responses from the intelligent men and women on here. Respect is something you earn not something you demand. Thank you all.
car007

Florence, KY

#13 May 13, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
THE LINK TO THE PDF COPY OF LAWSUIT FILED ON BEHALF OF ROBERT LEONE CAN BE FOUND ON LARRY HOHOL FACEBOOK PAGE. IT SHOULD BE GOING TO TRIAL THIS SUMMER. HIS CAR FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF ONE INVOLVED IN A MINOR TRAFFIC ACCIDENT EARLIER THAT DAY THUS THE TRAFFIC STOP THAT LED TO SEVERE ASSAULT AND 3 trips to the hospital once unconscious. A 9 hour incident at no time was he disrespectful to officers other than failing to pull over. He is released from jail. All the legal counts against the police and 4th &14 the ammendment rights denied are all in the PDF file. Including alleged accidental camera glitches at the court house. Please forgive fragment sentences I'm typing one letter at a time on a tiny phone. Its a privilege to read all of the responses from the intelligent men and women on here. Respect is something you earn not something you demand. Thank you all.
Another comment you make that we agree on; Respect is something earned, not just given.

You cannot confuse a law violation with respect, they are not in any way comparable.

Traffic violations occur every day, every minute somewhere. Many police officers are killed during routine traffic stops, in fact at one time, it was the leading cause for the death of police officers. They " NEVER " know the reason why someone runs that red light, speeds, disregards their signal to stop. So many people have NO idea that the majority of people who disregard a police officers signal to stop; are doing so because of another criminal issue they are running from. Sometimes a smaller issue, sometimes much larger.

Those are documented facts, not just my opinion.

I have NO problem if someone does not respect a police officer for whatever reason. That does NOT give them the " Right " to disregard the " Law ".. You speak of " respect "; the freedoms you have in this country are a direct result of the " Respect " others have had in the history of this country. It is YOUR and everyones " Responsibility " to be good citizens and Respect the Laws of the land.

Speaking of respect, I just saw a video on the news where a lady having road rage along an expressway passed another car and then came back into the car , striking it and pushing it into the guardrail at a high speed... Her " anger " did NOT work out well for her. If you get a chance to see it, do so. You will see her car get flipped over by " her own actions "... Anger is something everyone MUST control or accept the unfortunate consequences. Bad Choice !

Since: Nov 11

Hunlock Creek, PA

#14 May 13, 2014
car007 wrote:
Wow,,, I am not sure where to begin..... The retired police officer narrating this brings many questions to mind about his motives. I would love to know what type of area he worked in and how much police activity he saw of a criminal nature, not just traffic like most small departments.
READ what I write now because I am sure this will get misinterpreted.
The narrator begins by saying the accused had a previous DUI suspension, so I have to figure he does or should have known when there is a police car behind him with lights and sirens on, he is supposed to pull over.... NOT light a cigarette and turn up his radio and continue on driving, ignoring the law.
I am stopping at this point, we will never agree on what is rong even up to this point.
I will close this with, if people really do NOT want to have an experience with a Police Officer, follow the laws. That is the best advise I can offer. I , NEVER defend ABUSE !! All I am saying is, this is another case where someone made a poor choice that had a bad result.
If that retired cop feels that his ignoring the law is justified because he was Bi Polar and on medicine etc; I will tell you, that so called retired cop either was NOT really a cop or he surely did not know the law. How incredibly stupid he made himself look and sound. Operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of even prescribed medicine is against the law if it impairs you. Either he was impaired by it or he just made a choice to ignore the law.... Either way, its illegal.... Its that simple.
All else that happened, did so, AFTER the fact he did not stop as required by law... Kinda see a pattern here with people across the board in this country having no respect for the law... If people don't want to obey the traffic laws, DO NOT sign for your Drivers License. You are agreeing to obey all laws when you do and with penalty of forfeiture if you fail to. Its that simple....... Wake up and realize your ideas of the law DO NOT MATTER and if you behave in such ways, it can lead to serious consequences for you.. WHY is that so hard to understand ?
Again, NOT defending abuse, just trying to explain how to keep yourselves out of trouble with the law. Pretty simple.....
No, actually all that retired cop is saying is once they had him stopped they didn't have to beat him half to death, you did see where the trooper jumps off the top of the car on him after his buddies already had him on the ground. I keep saying, there are no good cops because if there were there wouldn't be any bad cops and you prove that. It was never suggested this man was completely innocent.
car007

Florence, KY

#15 May 13, 2014
Swampy59 wrote:
<quoted text> No, actually all that retired cop is saying is once they had him stopped they didn't have to beat him half to death, you did see where the trooper jumps off the top of the car on him after his buddies already had him on the ground. I keep saying, there are no good cops because if there were there wouldn't be any bad cops and you prove that. It was never suggested this man was completely innocent.
Speaking of proving a point, I thank you all for your input, without you and those who think just like you, it might have been a bit more difficult.
My point was and is, your friend died and that cannot be changed. You all have an opportunity to make choices, she NO longer does. If you are ever in the same situation she was, will you make the same choice she did ? You do not ever know how one cop is going to react to your actions from the other. I don't feel her choice worked out well for her, do you really ? Let your conscience be your guide !
To close, my point was proven by her actions and your denial will never change that !
Beyond that, for those who feel they will get their justice, you are only kidding yourself. This will play out, outside of the court, between her mother , her attorney and the County. Her mom will receive a settlement and probably have more money than she has ever had before in her life, plus her attorney will walk away with a nice sum of money. That's what he is in business for only. Justice means nothing to an attorney, just how much money they can make from others pain and misfortune. That will be all the justice you will probably be aware of. You will go on with your life full of anger and no more .
I wish you all the best of luck in your decision making in life. Learn from others mistakes or history will no doubt repeat itself.
Yours truly, 007
get reasonable

United States

#16 May 13, 2014
car007 wrote:
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This will play out, outside of the court, between her mother , her attorney and the County. Her mom will receive a settlement and probably have more money than she has ever had before in her life, plus her attorney will walk away with a nice sum of money. That's what he is in business for only. Justice means nothing to an attorney, just how much money they can make from others pain and misfortune.....anger didn't work well for her....
Yours truly, 007
oh listen up people All attorneys do not care about justice only police officers do, have we learned anything from 007? Anger didn't work well for Tyler did it ....got a boo boo on his ankle! Ignoring a persons pain and suffering is what cops do best look at rob leone. From your mouth to Gods ears on Sam's mom getting a settlement....rob is still fighting for his. Tyler demanded respect and now he will never get it. Look boys an girls if you get motioned to pull over and actually hear a nut job yelling to do so try and do so safely and hope you don't run across an impatient Tyler who will jump on your car and shoot u b4 u can pull over. We learned from 007 that is the reasonable response we can expect. There is a difference between arrogance and confidence and we all know who the arrogant numbskull is in this forum.
car007

Florence, KY

#17 May 14, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
<quoted text> oh listen up people All attorneys do not care about justice only police officers do, have we learned anything from 007? Anger didn't work well for Tyler did it ....got a boo boo on his ankle! Ignoring a persons pain and suffering is what cops do best look at rob leone. From your mouth to Gods ears on Sam's mom getting a settlement....rob is still fighting for his. Tyler demanded respect and now he will never get it. Look boys an girls if you get motioned to pull over and actually hear a nut job yelling to do so try and do so safely and hope you don't run across an impatient Tyler who will jump on your car and shoot u b4 u can pull over. We learned from 007 that is the reasonable response we can expect. There is a difference between arrogance and confidence and we all know who the arrogant numbskull is in this forum.
Attorney's do NOT support themselves or their families on Justice, they support themselves on the money or property they take from clients. Lesson #1 for you.

Lesson #2 for you, MOST legal situations within any Government Agencies are settled out of court !

Lesson #3 for you, I think you might be " getting it finally " based on what I read above. That being, just STOP and follow the Law and you probably will NEVER have to worry about an Officer doing the things you disagree with.

Interestingly you speak of Arrogance..... Is it just self guilt your dealing with in all of this for not being a better friend to Samantha and helping her by not letting her drive that evening ?

Why was she driving ? Did someone else in that car, encourage her to just drive on and ignore the officer ? That would be a huge burden to shoulder, wouldn't it ?

Did she do this because she knew she was driving under suspension and didn't want to get caught or was it, someone else in the car was wanted on an outstanding warrant ?

Or was it,, she had been drinking herself and couldn't make the right choice ? Be careful how you answer this one, the toxicology report will no doubt be available.

I do not know which event was going through her mind at that time, but I think it is safe to say, one of them if not all played a part in her decision. That decision did not serve her well, NO more than the officers decision will serve him the rest of his life !

You say she did NOTHING wrong, I say BOTH the officer and Samantha could have made better choices, pure and simple !

Your arrogance will not change anything, lets see what the toxicology shows us.
get reasonable

Lawrenceville, GA

#18 May 14, 2014
I never said she did nothing wrong, I nor you know if she did anything wrong, I'm giving her the benefit of doubt that perhaps she was trying to pull over. I don't condone drinkingand driving. I said Robert leone did nothing wrong to be pulled over. I do believe some attorneys care about justice.
car007

Florence, KY

#19 May 14, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
I never said she did nothing wrong, I nor you know if she did anything wrong, I'm giving her the benefit of doubt that perhaps she was trying to pull over. I don't condone drinkingand driving. I said Robert leone did nothing wrong to be pulled over. I do believe some attorneys care about justice.
The postings on here have surely said, Samantha did nothing wrong, go back and read all of the posts. I could quote many of them but don't care to take the time to go back through the many many posts that contradict what you say.

If Samantha was NOT driving under suspension and leaving a party where it was already known and safely assumed many had been consuming substances of abuse, I might also be able to give her the benefit of doubt . To help you understand my many times stated position, I feel Samantha made a bad choice to drive when she was NOT permitted to. Everything else that happened after that FACT, was ONLY a facilitating set of events for what happened.

Bad choices sometimes lead to wrongful events, read into it what you wish. That comment applies across the board with ALL things in life, NOT just this event.

Use some logic people before you also make bad choices in life. Bad choices usually leave us with consequences. Again, across the board, all inclusive of everything in life, NOT just this incident.

As badly as those on here want me to believe in their way of thinking, I also want them to believe in mine. We are all entitled to our opinions. My way of thinking and behaving has NOT caused my death in over 60 years and I have faced death more times than I care to remember, both in the military and in policework. Many other kids and young adults have learned through my efforts to keep them safe and alive, but then they cared, respected, and were mature enough to accept the wisdom of others.

It is known as serving and doing the work of our Lord, Jesus Christ.... May the power of God console those who post on here and help them in their time of grief, and help shelter them from all evil and wrongdoing. Amen !
car007

Florence, KY

#20 May 14, 2014
get reasonable wrote:
I never said she did nothing wrong, I nor you know if she did anything wrong, I'm giving her the benefit of doubt that perhaps she was trying to pull over. I don't condone drinkingand driving. I said Robert leone did nothing wrong to be pulled over. I do believe some attorneys care about justice.
Re: Leone

Did I read somewhere that he decided to NOT stop but instead lit up a cigarette and turned up the radio to drown out the sirens ? and.......... That's doing nothing wrong ????

God help us all, if there are many out there who believe that is the right choice to make.

All I have to offer anyone who thinks and behaves this way,,,,, Remember, bad choices and wrong choices have consequences... Those usually don't do well for those who make that choice... Is it " really " worth it people ???

I know I am getting old and a believer in how I was raised and lived, but I still contend Logic is much more empowering than stupidity !

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