Waiting for the crowds

Waiting for the crowds

There are 50 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Apr 4, 2009, titled Waiting for the crowds. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

Three stories beneath the street's surface, an empty cavern awaits a useful life.

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Well

Santa Fe, NM

#24 Apr 5, 2009
meant to say

"and local BUSINESSES in the guadalupe area which have always had parking shortages...
Serious

Albuquerque, NM

#25 Apr 5, 2009
Well wrote:
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again - this parking was designed to support a community space and pedestrian experience in addition to the train, the park, the farmers market, and local in the guadalupe area which have always had parking shortages. It is not simply about going shopping and there was not enough land nor a desire to create acres of an ugly above-ground free parking lot. Apples and oranges. The railyard area hasn't gotten off the ground yet for various reasons and adjustments do need to be made to the parking pricing structure.
By the way, try walking the couple hundred yards from PetsMart to Target. Impossible and not a model for how things should be done anywhere.
Show me ONE person that is going to the park with their kids that will pay for parking. I'm taking my kids to Canyon Road or some other park that does not charge. While you are at it, show me one person that will pay to park to see a movie. We have choices as consumers, and I would choose to drive down to Zafarono to see a movie that offers free parking rather than the Railyard which charges for it. For those of you out there that argue that "downtown" charges for parking....not quite true, you buy something at JCrew and they will validate your parking in their lot. Goes the same for attorneys and a lot of the other downtown businesses and merchants. If I can't park for free, I don't go downtown. I know of MANY people who no longer go to Sanbusco because of pay to park.

And, I don't believe that the train was really ever part of the vision for this development. Richardson's idea came way after master planning the Railyard.
parking

Santa Fe, NM

#26 Apr 5, 2009
Serious wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me ONE person that is going to the park with their kids that will pay for parking. I'm taking my kids to Canyon Road or some other park that does not charge. While you are at it, show me one person that will pay to park to see a movie. We have choices as consumers, and I would choose to drive down to Zafarono to see a movie that offers free parking rather than the Railyard which charges for it. For those of you out there that argue that "downtown" charges for parking....not quite true, you buy something at JCrew and they will validate your parking in their lot. Goes the same for attorneys and a lot of the other downtown businesses and merchants. If I can't park for free, I don't go downtown. I know of MANY people who no longer go to Sanbusco because of pay to park.
And, I don't believe that the train was really ever part of the vision for this development. Richardson's idea came way after master planning the Railyard.
is free at sambusco

Since: Sep 08

Santa Fe

#27 Apr 5, 2009
Who needs it wrote:
When there are acres of free parking for Wal Mart, Target, PetsMart, Trader Joes, Smiths, Albertsons, Lowes Foods, Big Lots...those stores get my business, which is what I can afford on my living wage salary. Railyard is for the idle rich and turistas, not the average SF worker bee.
You are so correct. You can tell by the bad judgments you received. Except for the Farmer Market that is.
I think

Santa Fe, NM

#28 Apr 5, 2009
Serious wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me ONE person that is going to the park with their kids that will pay for parking. I'm taking my kids to Canyon Road or some other park that does not charge. While you are at it, show me one person that will pay to park to see a movie. We have choices as consumers, and I would choose to drive down to Zafarono to see a movie that offers free parking rather than the Railyard which charges for it. For those of you out there that argue that "downtown" charges for parking....not quite true, you buy something at JCrew and they will validate your parking in their lot. Goes the same for attorneys and a lot of the other downtown businesses and merchants. If I can't park for free, I don't go downtown. I know of MANY people who no longer go to Sanbusco because of pay to park.
And, I don't believe that the train was really ever part of the vision for this development. Richardson's idea came way after master planning the Railyard.
it is premature to be saying all this negative stuff. I could certainly see paying a few bucks and enjoying some time at the park, getting some food, checking out the farmers market and the local businesses. The railyard just hasn't gotten everything together yet. Much better than dodging cars around lowes parking lot to go to the multiplex, if you ask me. I pay the fee to park at the sandoval structure almost every friday night and enjoy everything the plaza and the downtown area has to offer, but that's just me (and usually a lot of other people).

“'Oat Willie'”

Since: Sep 08

Santa FE, NM

#29 Apr 5, 2009
i Refuse to pay for parking to shop locally.
My Accouunting Firm downtown offers Free Parking Stickers in the City lot on Marcy Street, But my Pickup willl not fit in Any City Structure because of the Lumber Rack.
the People who Designed the Parking Structures obviously cannot count higher than 3.
Your

Santa Fe, NM

#30 Apr 5, 2009
White Migrant Worker wrote:
i Refuse to pay for parking to shop locally.
My Accouunting Firm downtown offers Free Parking Stickers in the City lot on Marcy Street, But my Pickup willl not fit in Any City Structure because of the Lumber Rack.
the People who Designed the Parking Structures obviously cannot count higher than 3.
options are shrinking, but jeez paying for parking has been around forever.

“You probably already know me.”

Since: Sep 08

Santa Fe

#31 Apr 5, 2009
I live very near the Railyard project and when these tourists take advantage of my driveway for free parking, I just call City Tow, and the problem is solved... I trust the price to get their car back will teach them that us residents of the area have rights too. If enough of us do this, that parking structure may start filling up... when the promised restaurant and theater are finally constructed.

Let me tell you, seeing the face of an REI customer realize their vehicle has been towed because they thought they could get a free parking space a block away is worth it's weight in gold.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#32 Apr 5, 2009
Look around the country at all the other mixed-use, high-density, "town center" type developments (which is what the Railyard is). You'll see one thing that they all have in common, every single one of them. Free Parking. Free parking is a key element of the "feel" of these developments, and that feel is an important part of their success - it's the feel of no-hassle, convenient, easy-going, pleasant activity.

That feel is an ethereal thing. Get just one little thing wrong (like charge for parking) and you can totally destroy it. Seems the people counting pennies don't understant this.

Since: Sep 08

AOL

#33 Apr 5, 2009
Since the city is charging for parking everywhere in the Railroad Park area, are the merchants paying the parking for their employees, or are the employees on their own? That could take a HUGE chunk out of a person's paycheck!

I like going to the park, but refuse to pay for parking. I leave my car at one of the Cordova Road shopping centers or the Highway Department and walk. It's actually a nice walk and good for my aging body! When the weather is bad or I get tired, I can even catch the train!
Julie Ann Grimm

Santa Fe, NM

#34 Apr 6, 2009
ken wrote:
Sorry, the parking system doesn't allow for merchant validation. And you also can't park for free to complain at City hall anymore. The interesting thing is that parking is free elsewhere on Sundays and holidays, but not at the railyard. Good thinking, planners.
Just wanted to let you know that the city is offering a merchant validation program that allows Railyard businesses to pay for parking for customers. No merchants have agreed to particpate yet, according to Parking Division Director Bill Hon.

Since: Dec 08

Santa Fe

#35 Apr 6, 2009
Pelon wrote:
What would work well, I believe, is a special gross receipts district there. The gross receipts rate could be a bit higher there to pay for parking. Most people would not notice it and they would get their "free" parking. The project would get paid for by the people who use it. K-I-S-S, you know, Keep It Simple Sarah......
That's an interesting idea. Too bad your idea has too much common sense. The city would never use an idea like that

PC Chavez

“Hee-hee-hee, snort!”

Since: Sep 08

Laguna Beach/Santa Fe

#36 Apr 6, 2009
Pablo Baca wrote:
Since the city is charging for parking everywhere in the Railroad Park area, are the merchants paying the parking for their employees, or are the employees on their own? That could take a HUGE chunk out of a person's paycheck!
I like going to the park, but refuse to pay for parking. I leave my car at one of the Cordova Road shopping centers or the Highway Department and walk. It's actually a nice walk and good for my aging body! When the weather is bad or I get tired, I can even catch the train!
Good for you, Pablo. I still think Santa Fe should have park-n-rides (w/shuttles or trams) to areas like the Plaza and this place too.
chatterbox87501

Los Alamos, NM

#37 Apr 6, 2009
PC Chavez wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you, Pablo. I still think Santa Fe should have park-n-rides (w/shuttles or trams) to areas like the Plaza and this place too.
There's always the bus. There is a bus stop 100 yards from the house. The bus goes downtown, walking distance to the Plaza and the railyard.
Sanbusco

Los Alamos, NM

#38 Apr 6, 2009
parking wrote:
<quoted text>
is free at sambusco
Sanbusco, man, Sanbusco.

PC Chavez

“Hee-hee-hee, snort!”

Since: Sep 08

Laguna Beach/Santa Fe

#39 Apr 6, 2009
But is there a park-n-ride for the bus? Somewhere close to these locations, like park at DeVargas Mall, catch the bus to the Plaza or Railyard districts? Does it run every 20 minutes?

These businesses would flurish with such access, more cars off the streets in these areas, etc. This would cater toward the customers and public. Plus it would help any downtown and/or state worker too. Win-win. Does the bus do all that?
chatterbox87501

Los Alamos, NM

#40 Apr 6, 2009
PC Chavez wrote:
But is there a park-n-ride for the bus? Somewhere close to these locations, like park at DeVargas Mall, catch the bus to the Plaza or Railyard districts? Does it run every 20 minutes?
These businesses would flurish with such access, more cars off the streets in these areas, etc. This would cater toward the customers and public. Plus it would help any downtown and/or state worker too. Win-win. Does the bus do all that?
The fee you pay to ride a shuttle would probably be the same as you would pay to drive downtown and park.

If you want 20 minute service, you are going to need lots of buses. Plus, where do you propose drivers park? Might those lot owners want to be paid for the use of their lots for park and riders?

Santa Fe is lucky to have a bus service, a park and ride is pushing things a little hard, IMHO.
chatterbox87501

Los Alamos, NM

#41 Apr 6, 2009
Oh, if you are going to drive from Airport Road to De Vargas mall to catch a park and ride bus, why not just finish the job and park downtown?

And since the City makes money with the downtown parking lots, meters, and the city buses, there is no incentive whatsoever to establish any park and ride service.

PC Chavez

“Hee-hee-hee, snort!”

Since: Sep 08

Laguna Beach/Santa Fe

#42 Apr 6, 2009
chatterbox87501 wrote:
Oh, if you are going to drive from Airport Road to De Vargas mall to catch a park and ride bus, why not just finish the job and park downtown?
I don't think you get what I am suggesting.(1) downtown parking can be difficult to find and may take cruising around a few times.(2) Use a place to park ALL cars and shuttle people in. Tourists and locals. Takes cars off the streets in the areas of the Plaza and Guadalupe.

PC Chavez

“Hee-hee-hee, snort!”

Since: Sep 08

Laguna Beach/Santa Fe

#43 Apr 6, 2009
chatterbox87501 wrote:
And since the City makes money with the downtown parking lots, meters, and the city buses, there is no incentive whatsoever to establish any park and ride service.
The incentive would be (1) more bucks via sales tax, and to bring more locals and tourists to shop, attend and/or go to these businesses and/or locations. More business always means more bucks for not only the City, but Santa Feans. More tips, more jobs, money gets circulated around and spent when one makes the money, etc., etc., etc.; and (2) not always available parking in these areas and takes cars off the streets in these areas.

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