City seeks input on changes to St. Fr...

City seeks input on changes to St. Francis Drive

There are 33 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Sep 14, 2009, titled City seeks input on changes to St. Francis Drive. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

Got a suggestion for Santa Fe's main north-south thoroughfare, St. Francis Drive? Government road builders want to hear from you.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Santa Fe New Mexican.

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“Ideologically opposed to art”

Since: Apr 09

Santa Fe

#1 Sep 14, 2009
I sure do see a lot of big trucks on St Francis. I mean, 18 wheelers. Like loaded with alfalfa. Can't they take the bypass and not even come through town? And can they legally park those big rigs on the road while they go into Burger King?
Nob Hill Peace House

Florence, AL

#2 Sep 14, 2009
I think they could limit it to green vehicles or something for high vehicle weights. That would encourage bio-diesel use. A win-win.
Organize Get Out Scream

Florence, AL

#3 Sep 14, 2009
Agree on the green theme. We need to start with one road and pave away the pollution, so we all breathe better.
Organize Get Out Scream

Florence, AL

#4 Sep 14, 2009
Gnarlodious wrote:
I sure do see a lot of big trucks on St Francis. I mean, 18 wheelers. Like loaded with alfalfa. Can't they take the bypass and not even come through town? And can they legally park those big rigs on the road while they go into Burger King?
Elitist. They are bringing goods into Santa Fe that you buy at the big box. Widen and strengthen it so the trucks do less harm. The solution is obvious.
George Robinson

United States

#5 Sep 14, 2009
do the same thing that needs to be done at all santa fe intersections ... fix the lights. time them so that they make sense and traffic can flow.
Phil Emanuelli

Denver, CO

#6 Sep 15, 2009
Gnarlodious wrote:
I sure do see a lot of big trucks on St Francis. I mean, 18 wheelers. Like loaded with alfalfa. Can't they take the bypass and not even come through town? And can they legally park those big rigs on the road while they go into Burger King?
The trucks with alfalfa usually are heading south on 285, and usually drive by El Dorado. It makes no sense for them to take the bypass (599).
Phil Emanuelli

Denver, CO

#7 Sep 15, 2009
George Robinson wrote:
do the same thing that needs to be done at all santa fe intersections ... fix the lights. time them so that they make sense and traffic can flow.
U bet! That's the one problem they didn't even list!
Master Debater

Las Cruces, NM

#8 Sep 15, 2009
How about you give some consideration to the many state highways/roads in Las Cruces that need help a lot more than St. Francis.
Pinenut

Auburn, ME

#9 Sep 15, 2009
How about improving access to the 599 Relief Route from the south and build another 'Relief Route' to 84/285 from 25 north of Santa Fe. Create better access to local businesses. Simple?
St. Francis Dr. cannot sustain additional traffic, no matter how you stack it up.
Intercultural

Santa Fe, NM

#10 Sep 15, 2009
"Making St. Francis an expressway with frontage roads."

That would actually be good because it's already used like that, and the frontage roads would be safer.If they build pedestrian bridges, then crossing will also be safer. Splitting SF in two isn't really an issue, because it's already split in two.

Since: Sep 08

Santa Fe

#11 Sep 15, 2009
Don`t worry, the sinking economy will decrease traffic in the long run. Adjust the timing of lights, and leave the rest alone.
But I know, all the tax payer loot burns a hole in Government pockets.
Eventually we`ll need room for horse, and wagon traffic.
So sad to see

Santa Fe, NM

#12 Sep 15, 2009
Organize Get Out Scream wrote:
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Elitist. They are bringing goods into Santa Fe that you buy at the big box. Widen and strengthen it so the trucks do less harm. The solution is obvious.
"Organize Get Out Scream" Scream? Political discussion by temper tantrum?.... I'm sad to see what has happened to manners in our political "debates" lately.

Since: Dec 08

Santa Fe, NM

#13 Sep 15, 2009
I think a grade separation (overpass) is really needed at the Cerrillos intersection. What a disaster that is... two major streets at angles and a railroad track thrown in for good measure.
bob chilton

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Sep 15, 2009
stop the madness!

where is the money going to come from? the state and city are deeply in debt and employees are being furloughed.

this is another nonsensical trial ballon, along with the redesign of st. michael's drive and the bridge over st. francis drive at cerrillos.

the only option that makes sense is to create a st. francis relief route. a new, four lane north-south roadway could parallel st. francis drive and extend from I-25 to 599.

potentially, the reduction in traffic counts on st. francis will obviate the need for the ambitious and expensive plan suggested in the newspaper article.
Eideard

Huntsville, AL

#16 Sep 15, 2009
"Elitist. They are bringing goods into Santa Fe that you buy at the big box."

Alfalfa? Ignoranus.
Cynic

Florence, AL

#18 Sep 15, 2009
bob chilton wrote:
stop the madness!
where is the money going to come from? the state and city are deeply in debt and employees are being furloughed.
this is another nonsensical trial ballon, along with the redesign of st. michael's drive and the bridge over st. francis drive at cerrillos.
the only option that makes sense is to create a st. francis relief route. a new, four lane north-south roadway could parallel st. francis drive and extend from I-25 to 599.
potentially, the reduction in traffic counts on st. francis will obviate the need for the ambitious and expensive plan suggested in the newspaper article.
The cost is an excelent reason to encourage tuckers who are just passing through to use the relief route. Taking 599 to I-25 to get to 84/285 would eliminate a large amount of traffic from St. Francis. The only cost would be in signs and traffic enforcement.

Where would the expressway be built? St. Francis is already 6 lanes, with no shoulder. Would the government use eminent domain and bulldoze businesses already built up to the edge of the right of way? Would the design call for eliminating the central lanes of St. Francis to build an elevated route?

How're you going to get THAT past the H board when they won't even allow solar panels that people can see?

St. Francis does need improvement. Pedestrian and bicycle access is dangerous at best. The elimination of the merge lane at St. Francis drive seems poorly thought out at best; how many of you folks have either sat there for what seems like an eternity, or watched people cut off oncoming traffic in an extremely dangerous manner?

We've already got an expressway in the 599 relief route, which was designed so that truck traffic would not have to use St. Francis drive. It was specifically designed to make sure WIPP shipments didn't pass through the middle of town, so it's not as if 599 can't handle heavy trucks. Now that the railrunner is running 7 days a week, it seems like the possible delays would be enough of an incentive for truckers to completely avoid downtown Santa Fe.

Alas, this is Santa Fe, and the trucking lobby has a lot of pull nationwide. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the federal government gets involved in order to push through an ugly and unnecessary elevated expressway, complete with cloverleafs, right in the middle of town.

Goodbye Santa Fe, hello LA.
Interesting

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#19 Sep 15, 2009
I hope 'officals' are reading these comments! Time those traffic light!!! It's insane when it takes 15 minutes to go two miles - and not due to the traffic, but due to the timin of lights. I'd rather pay to upgrade that system first than go with some of the outlandish ideas listed in the article.

Since: Sep 08

AOL

#20 Sep 15, 2009
Time to add four more lanes; make St Francis multi level; add bicycle lanes to St. Francis; add bus lanes to St. Francis; and add frontage roads to St. Francis. We must do everything possible to make sure that Richards is never widened or connected. Keep all of the traffic that would use Richards and any other north-south streets on St. Francis Drive. After all, the neighborhoods adjoining St. Francis are used to congestion and pollution.

All of the suggestions in the article make as much sense as my above suggestions.
Field Report

Santa Fe, NM

#21 Sep 15, 2009
"Increasing the efficiency of the existing transportation network by developing a new traffic-signal timing plan to reflect changing conditions."

The last idea in the article seems to be both the lowest cost and best use of resources, but why haven't they done it already ???? The Cerrillos lights are timed for about 50 mph when going home around 5:00 PM, why not time them for the actual speed limit and solve two problems (stop & go traffic and speeders).

"Four years ago, St. Francis Drive south of San Mateo Road was restriped for six lanes, rather than four ..." I remember when this was done and funny as it seemed at the time the traffic on that part af St. Francis flowed better when St. Francis was tore down to dirt than it does now with the extra lanes, and yes, bring back the merge lane from St. Mike's.
Epic

United States

#22 Sep 15, 2009
Synchronize the lights, and adjust speeds to maximize traffic flow.

At the St. Michael's drive merge lane, increase the merge distance to 100 yards plus.

Don't forget the storm drains, they need to be upsized.

Bury all the utilities.

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