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Since: Dec 10

Austell, GA

#1 Jan 20, 2011
How's it doing?
taxpayer

Peoria, AZ

#2 Jan 20, 2011
Baby Mommaa wrote:
How's it doing?
Tghe same as all over the USA

Since: May 09

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#3 Jan 20, 2011
Baby Mommaa wrote:
How's it doing?
Not well. Everyone believes that Arizona is just better than buttered toast, but they don't believe it is worth paying for. They want to have it for nothing and then they want to complain. The simple fact is, that like Illinois, the taxes have to go up. We're broke.
Enough

Mesa, AZ

#4 Jan 20, 2011
We are nowhere near the shape Illinois is in. Arizona's budget gap is about $1.4 billion. Illinois budget gap is $15 billion. Illinois just passed a whopping increase in the state income tax. Arizona has no such plans for an increase at this time.

Since: May 09

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#5 Jan 21, 2011
Enough wrote:
We are nowhere near the shape Illinois is in. Arizona's budget gap is about $1.4 billion. Illinois budget gap is $15 billion. Illinois just passed a whopping increase in the state income tax. Arizona has no such plans for an increase at this time.
In other words you have no rational plans to solve the problems of the state and you refuse to do the things that obviously you have to do which clearly includes getting more money. You need money, but you refuse to get money. Why? Is the state not worth the money? Did you only come here because you expected to mooch off others? Since you admit that there is a crisis why do you refuse to do what is obviously necessary? Do you imagine you can dismiss it with partisan rhetoric?

This behavior is irrational.
Enough

Mesa, AZ

#6 Jan 21, 2011
laojim wrote:
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In other words you have no rational plans to solve the problems of the state and you refuse to do the things that obviously you have to do which clearly includes getting more money. You need money, but you refuse to get money. Why? Is the state not worth the money? Did you only come here because you expected to mooch off others? Since you admit that there is a crisis why do you refuse to do what is obviously necessary? Do you imagine you can dismiss it with partisan rhetoric?
This behavior is irrational.
It's not up to me. You see we have an elected governor. Maybe you have heard of her, Jan Brewer. She is making the painful but necessary cuts to bloated government to reduce the deficit. Now if you have extra financial resources that you are not in need of please by all means use some of your rationality and send those extra funds to the state treasury. And then go to the capitol and volunteer to do something. You can save us real taxpayers a salary. You are full of..... rhetoric.

Since: May 09

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#7 Jan 21, 2011
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>It's not up to me. You see we have an elected governor. Maybe you have heard of her, Jan Brewer. She is making the painful but necessary cuts to bloated government to reduce the deficit. Now if you have extra financial resources that you are not in need of please by all means use some of your rationality and send those extra funds to the state treasury. And then go to the capitol and volunteer to do something. You can save us real taxpayers a salary. You are full of..... rhetoric.
Had you attended a good school you wold know that Jan is not the government of Arizona. As it stands her only role is the one she has taken on, trying to blow as much smoke and sew enough confusion that nobody will notice that she has utterly failed in her job. When you're broke you raise money. When you are broke only a fool goes about chopping up the house; you'll end up broke in the rain. Yes, even here it rains.

It is not my responsibility to go down and volunteer to take over the work of someone who had been depending on his or her salary. It is no secret that taxes have to be raised and they don't need me to go tell them that, but it is obvious that they don't care about anything but buying votes as they have obviously bought yours by promising endless tax cuts. The party is over. It's time to pay up.

Since: Dec 10

Austell, GA

#8 Jan 21, 2011
sooo.... haha . Is it hard to find jobs as it was a year ago?

Since: May 09

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#9 Jan 21, 2011
Baby Mommaa wrote:
sooo.... haha . Is it hard to find jobs as it was a year ago?
I don't know. I'm not looking. Friends of mine are still worried about being laid off.

Since: Dec 10

Austell, GA

#10 Jan 21, 2011
ohhhh i live in GA now. it seems like the economy here is pretty good
Enough

Gilbert, AZ

#13 Jan 22, 2011
laojim wrote:
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Had you attended a good school you wold know that Jan is not the government of Arizona. As it stands her only role is the one she has taken on, trying to blow as much smoke and sew enough confusion that nobody will notice that she has utterly failed in her job. When you're broke you raise money. When you are broke only a fool goes about chopping up the house; you'll end up broke in the rain. Yes, even here it rains.
It is not my responsibility to go down and volunteer to take over the work of someone who had been depending on his or her salary. It is no secret that taxes have to be raised and they don't need me to go tell them that, but it is obvious that they don't care about anything but buying votes as they have obviously bought yours by promising endless tax cuts. The party is over. It's time to pay up.
Had you listened in school maybe you could comprehend who the Governor is. But heck don't take my word for it, go to http://azgovernor.gov/ . And then maybe you should go back to school, any school, and learn how to use a spell checker or maybe even learn how to spell the word would. It's not "wold".

If you successfully complete the above, and I'm being hopeful here, then take a basic consumer education class. There you will learn, again I'm being hopeful, that usually when one is broke, in this case the State of Arizona, there is a reason. And that reason does not automatically justify increased taxation as the only response. Over-bloated government and out of control spending needs to be curtailed before one just advocates raising taxes. But since you seem all to eager to contribute more of your assets to the State, then by all means please do so. Since I am living on a fixed income and my expenses keep increasing while my income does not I am unwilling and unable to to follow your half cocked logic. I, as well as many others didn't attend the party.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#14 Jan 22, 2011
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>Had you listened in school maybe you could comprehend who the Governor is. But heck don't take my word for it, go to http://azgovernor.gov/ . And then maybe you should go back to school, any school, and learn how to use a spell checker or maybe even learn how to spell the word would. It's not "wold".
If you successfully complete the above, and I'm being hopeful here, then take a basic consumer education class. There you will learn, again I'm being hopeful, that usually when one is broke, in this case the State of Arizona, there is a reason. And that reason does not automatically justify increased taxation as the only response. Over-bloated government and out of control spending needs to be curtailed before one just advocates raising taxes. But since you seem all to eager to contribute more of your assets to the State, then by all means please do so. Since I am living on a fixed income and my expenses keep increasing while my income does not I am unwilling and unable to to follow your half cocked logic. I, as well as many others didn't attend the party.
Are you naturally a jackass or are you just working at it today. Sorry about the misspelling but arthritis makes they typing unreliable so please feel free to just skip all this in future.

Most of what you said makes not sense because you insist on trying to insert premises that inevitably suggest the conclusion you want to reach. This is called, in rhetoric, begging the question. Perhaps you should read some of The New Rhetoric (Chaim Perelman &, Lucie Olbrechts-Tyteca) currently on sale at Amazon for $25.45. That should go a long way toward correcting your faulty argumentation.

The point is simple. I a situation like this you can get more money or cut expenditures. There are a few other options but they actually imply one or the other. You are arguing from some sort of ideology that the only option is to cut spending, but this is logically incorrect as there is always the option of raising the inflow of funds. What I fail to understand is why people argue that Arizona is such a wonderful place and still refuse to pay for it, like a freeloader who things everyone else is supposed to buy his dinner because he has ideological objections to paying the bill. Why do the you want to have it all and pay nothing for it?

We have had a lot of this, which explains at least part of why the country is on the verge of bankruptcy. George (the shrub) Bush wanted to invade a lot of innocent nations for no good reason and then pretend that it didn't cost anything by putting it "off budget" which is like they guy who is broke at the end of the month buying the new TV with a credit card so that it doesn't appear on his bank statement. It makes no sense.

When are people in this state going to grow up and pay for their fun? The City of Mahagony is waiting to catch up with them.
Enough

Gilbert, AZ

#15 Jan 23, 2011
laojim wrote:
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Are you naturally a jackass or are you just working at it today. Sorry about the misspelling but arthritis makes they typing unreliable so please feel free to just skip all this in future.
Most of what you said makes not sense because you insist on trying to insert premises that inevitably suggest the conclusion you want to reach. This is called, in rhetoric, begging the question. Perhaps you should read some of The New Rhetoric (Chaim Perelman &, Lucie Olbrechts-Tyteca) currently on sale at Amazon for $25.45. That should go a long way toward correcting your faulty argumentation.
The point is simple. I a situation like this you can get more money or cut expenditures. There are a few other options but they actually imply one or the other. You are arguing from some sort of ideology that the only option is to cut spending, but this is logically incorrect as there is always the option of raising the inflow of funds. What I fail to understand is why people argue that Arizona is such a wonderful place and still refuse to pay for it, like a freeloader who things everyone else is supposed to buy his dinner because he has ideological objections to paying the bill. Why do the you want to have it all and pay nothing for it?
We have had a lot of this, which explains at least part of why the country is on the verge of bankruptcy. George (the shrub) Bush wanted to invade a lot of innocent nations for no good reason and then pretend that it didn't cost anything by putting it "off budget" which is like they guy who is broke at the end of the month buying the new TV with a credit card so that it doesn't appear on his bank statement. It makes no sense.
When are people in this state going to grow up and pay for their fun? The City of Mahagony is waiting to catch up with them.
Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? Most of what I said "makes not sense"? Your posts are hard enough to follow with all the injected rhetoric but your punctuation and other errors make following your sentences impossible. But hey, if your brain is so decimated by the overdoses of stupidity filling your cranium I will try to be more patient with you. Where do you get off blasting us citizens as unpaying freeloaders? When you get out of the cave that you are residing in and become a productive member of society you will find that us "freeloaders" pay income taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes, personal property taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, gasoline taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, and many more. That is hardly "refusing to pay for it". I am beginning to believe you have a government funded job or pension, hence your propensity to try to rob us some more. And please tell us about all the "innocent nations" that Bush wanted to invade. I recall Iraq and Afghanistan, hardly innocent and hardly "a lot". I suggest you read "Common Sense for Dummies" available wherever comic books are sold.

Since: May 09

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#16 Jan 23, 2011
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? Most of what I said "makes not sense"? Your posts are hard enough to follow with all the injected rhetoric but your punctuation and other errors make following your sentences impossible. But hey, if your brain is so decimated by the overdoses of stupidity filling your cranium I will try to be more patient with you. Where do you get off blasting us citizens as unpaying freeloaders? When you get out of the cave that you are residing in and become a productive member of society you will find that us "freeloaders" pay income taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes, personal property taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, gasoline taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, and many more. That is hardly "refusing to pay for it". I am beginning to believe you have a government funded job or pension, hence your propensity to try to rob us some more. And please tell us about all the "innocent nations" that Bush wanted to invade. I recall Iraq and Afghanistan, hardly innocent and hardly "a lot". I suggest you read "Common Sense for Dummies" available wherever comic books are sold.
Ah, the cutting rapier wit. If your only willing to pay half of what it costs then you are refusing to pay for it. Next time I go to a classy diner I'll just pay for half and tell the guy that he needs to cut his costs. if he wants to make a profit because I already paid for my gasoline and groceries. When they come for you just tell them that you are not a freeloader, you already paid a lot of money for other things. In other words, yes, the wealthy are freeloaders. Remember the old poem about the bum on the plush?
Enough

Gilbert, AZ

#17 Jan 24, 2011
laojim wrote:
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Ah, the cutting rapier wit. If your only willing to pay half of what it costs then you are refusing to pay for it. Next time I go to a classy diner I'll just pay for half and tell the guy that he needs to cut his costs. if he wants to make a profit because I already paid for my gasoline and groceries. When they come for you just tell them that you are not a freeloader, you already paid a lot of money for other things. In other words, yes, the wealthy are freeloaders. Remember the old poem about the bum on the plush?
I don't think you understand. I haven't been paying half. I have been paying TWICE what it should cost. What does a classy diner have to do with the financial mess of the State of Arizona? And by the way, I can't afford a classy diner. You seem to think that the public is only paying half it's share to run government. Did you ever consider that government is twice as big as it should be and therefore cost's twice as much to operate? Think about all the entitlement programs, aid programs, 5 year olds getting ssi checks, regulatory agencies, we have become a country so damn dependent on someone else "taking care of us" we can't do a thing for ourselves anymore. And somebody has to pay for it. Look around at the waste in government. It is mind boggling. Take the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office. All I see anymore is the deputies driving huge suv's that get about 10 mpg. These suv's cost more than cars, cost more to operate. One example of the waste. Read about the double dipping pensioners in this state? More waste. You seem to be willing to keep feeding more of your dollars to this kind of waste. Why?

Since: Dec 10

Austell, GA

#18 Jan 24, 2011
im sorry didnt mean for this to be a cat fight. just a simple question

Since: May 09

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#19 Jan 24, 2011
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think you understand. I haven't been paying half. I have been paying TWICE what it should cost. What does a classy diner have to do with the financial mess of the State of Arizona? And by the way, I can't afford a classy diner. You seem to think that the public is only paying half it's share to run government. Did you ever consider that government is twice as big as it should be and therefore cost's twice as much to operate? Think about all the entitlement programs, aid programs, 5 year olds getting ssi checks, regulatory agencies, we have become a country so damn dependent on someone else "taking care of us" we can't do a thing for ourselves anymore. And somebody has to pay for it. Look around at the waste in government. It is mind boggling. Take the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office. All I see anymore is the deputies driving huge suv's that get about 10 mpg. These suv's cost more than cars, cost more to operate. One example of the waste. Read about the double dipping pensioners in this state? More waste. You seem to be willing to keep feeding more of your dollars to this kind of waste. Why?
I am saying that it costs money to run the state of Arizona and if you aren't willing to pay what it takes they you might consider going elsewhere. You can't just squat on the tax rolls and say that you think the current rate is enough, the law doesn't give you that priority. Your state representative needs to contemplate the reality of the situation and pass the taxes that will cover what needs to be done. In effect, I am telling you that the party is over and you now have to pay the bill for the state you helped make. You have sold your votes to Republicans in exchange for them giving you a lower tax rate and now the bankruptcy looms so it is quite simply time to pay up. It was fun while it lasted, perhaps, but now it is time to, as they say, get real. Allocate the costs, collect the taxes, pay the bills, and then we'll see what happens next.

Since: May 09

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#20 Jan 24, 2011
Baby Mommaa wrote:
im sorry didnt mean for this to be a cat fight. just a simple question
And the simple answer is that the Republican party has been buying elections for thirty years by offering people lower and lower taxes. Now the state is broke and people are starting to figure out that they are actually going to have to pay all these bills that the Republicans had told them they could have for nothing. The party is over and it's time to start cleaning up the mess.

It's like California, really. Governor Arnie came into office claiming that he was going to clean up the mess there and now it's worse. If California is such a great place how come they don't want to pay for it?

It's a lot like the USA. Since Reagan the Republicans have been selling the snake oil that you can reduce and reduce the taxes. Now the country contemplates the financial abyss and starts to think that maybe they should think about paying the bills and making the country solvent.
present

United States

#21 Jan 25, 2011
Enough wrote:
<quoted text>Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? Most of what I said "makes not sense"? Your posts are hard enough to follow with all the injected rhetoric but your punctuation and other errors make following your sentences impossible. But hey, if your brain is so decimated by the overdoses of stupidity filling your cranium I will try to be more patient with you. Where do you get off blasting us citizens as unpaying freeloaders? When you get out of the cave that you are residing in and become a productive member of society you will find that us "freeloaders" pay income taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes, personal property taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, gasoline taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, and many more. That is hardly "refusing to pay for it". I am beginning to believe you have a government funded job or pension, hence your propensity to try to rob us some more. And please tell us about all the "innocent nations" that Bush wanted to invade. I recall Iraq and Afghanistan, hardly innocent and hardly "a lot". I suggest you read "Common Sense for Dummies" available wherever comic books are sold.
Excellent critque regarding the obtuse posting you referenced in your post.
Enough

Gilbert, AZ

#22 Jan 25, 2011
laojim wrote:
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I am saying that it costs money to run the state of Arizona and if you aren't willing to pay what it takes they you might consider going elsewhere. You can't just squat on the tax rolls and say that you think the current rate is enough, the law doesn't give you that priority. Your state representative needs to contemplate the reality of the situation and pass the taxes that will cover what needs to be done. In effect, I am telling you that the party is over and you now have to pay the bill for the state you helped make. You have sold your votes to Republicans in exchange for them giving you a lower tax rate and now the bankruptcy looms so it is quite simply time to pay up. It was fun while it lasted, perhaps, but now it is time to, as they say, get real. Allocate the costs, collect the taxes, pay the bills, and then we'll see what happens next.
Oh I get it now. Whatever it takes. Just hand over as much of my money as the state deems necessary without question or justification. What kind of dictatorship are you promoting? Your right about one thing. The state representatives do need to "contemplate the reality of the situation and go back and fix all their mistakes that put us in this situation", like overpaid and over compensated double dipping public employees for one.
Over the past ten years state agencies have been forced to pour billions of dollars into the state's six pension systems to keep pace with continual benefit enhancements. All while the private sector has been cutting and eliminating benefits. Carol Peck, who retired as superintendent of a Phoenix area Elementary School District in July 2002 receives a $226,422 annual pension! For life! Thats about $4,352.00 per week! That is insane! The waste in government is huge and I'm not sustaining it. You right again, when I think about Carol Peck I say, THE PARTY IS OVER!

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