Veterans die waiting on 'secret VA li...

Veterans die waiting on 'secret VA list': Ex-Doctor

There are 15 comments on the The Rooster 106.1 story from Apr 25, 2014, titled Veterans die waiting on 'secret VA list': Ex-Doctor. In it, The Rooster 106.1 reports that:

The Veterans Affairs hospital in Phoenix, Arizona, has secretly kept around 1,500 sick veterans waiting for health care - and at least 40 of them died waiting, CNN reports.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Rooster 106.1.

Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#1 Apr 25, 2014
1500 veterans DENIED health care and, at least, 40 have died? Who gave the VA that right? Somebody convince me that the Pheonix VA is the ONLY place in the country that this has taken place. Every VA has a waiting list just to see a Primary Care Physician, than there are other waiting lists to see specialists or other health care providers. Now we find out that Pheonix and possible others have "secret" waiting lists that our veterans are being placed on BEFORE they make it to the "regular" waiting lists. EVERYBODY connected with this crap should be fired and probably prosecuted. I'm talking from the lowly clerks to the top management. Anyone who tries to say they were "just following orders" should remember that the same excuse did not work for the Nazis after WW2.

Time to give every veteran a health care card and let them find their own healthcare. If the VA medical Centers don't want to provide the care our veterans need, than let the veterans go someplace they can find that healthcare in the private sector.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#2 Apr 26, 2014
Viet Nam Veteran wrote:
1500 veterans DENIED health care and, at least, 40 have died? Who gave the VA that right? Somebody convince me that the Pheonix VA is the ONLY place in the country that this has taken place. Every VA has a waiting list just to see a Primary Care Physician, than there are other waiting lists to see specialists or other health care providers. Now we find out that Pheonix and possible others have "secret" waiting lists that our veterans are being placed on BEFORE they make it to the "regular" waiting lists. EVERYBODY connected with this crap should be fired and probably prosecuted. I'm talking from the lowly clerks to the top management. Anyone who tries to say they were "just following orders" should remember that the same excuse did not work for the Nazis after WW2.
Time to give every veteran a health care card and let them find their own healthcare. If the VA medical Centers don't want to provide the care our veterans need, than let the veterans go someplace they can find that healthcare in the private sector.
Govt covers their own asses!!! I have seen this after 3 FBI investigations at my local VA. The first investigation failed after there was not enough proof that patient funds was being tampered with. Second investigation revealed paper trail could not be traced and finally the third investigation revealed clerks falsified paperwork to steal money that should have never left patient funds. Managements signature was on the paperwork. One clerk rolled over on the other clerk, the clerk that rolled got house arrest and the other clerk got 8 months in federal prison. Management was never held responsible.
This is not the first time something like this has happened at this VA. 4 Hospital directors in 5 years? Govt covers their tracks!
Suspicious deaths were given to the directors office and never seen again. A coroners case which was assigned to coroners office I personally interviewed, stated the accident was never declared an accident, patient just fell out of bed. Once these files get into managements hands, they are never seen again!
It is the 'job' of upper management to not let these things leak out and to cover the story any way they know how and they do know how after years of experience.
INVESTIGATE THE UPPER MANAGEMENT! HOW DID THEY LET THIS HAPPEN?
Who are these 1500 veterans? Have them come forward. If the veterans want care and are denied, interview the veteran. The denials start with the clerk that does the paperwork but management does not check that paperwork. Where are these 1500 veterans who were denied?
The 40 deaths are suspicious but management can again cover their tracks on this one.
Appoint an outside committee not under federal government rule to investigate these activities and there is no reason to appoint a sub committee or senate hearing because if these things are actually happening, getting to the investigation is what is important here. It will take years to crack this one and then it will be rolled under the rug.
Are you one of the veterans that was denied care at this VA?
Talk to the families of the deceased vets and find out what really happened here. Once you are on Federal Govt land, their rules apply and no one has challenged that yet?(try reading the manuals you have to go through for training).

Since: Oct 12

Beltsville, MD

#3 Apr 27, 2014
i dont unertand why these drs wait until they retire before they start talking maby they should be prosecuated
Jeremy Rand

Chandler, AZ

#4 Apr 27, 2014
billieu123 wrote:
i dont unertand why these drs wait until they retire before they start talking maby they should be prosecuated


I love the Phoenix VA! I am a black tar heroin user and I scam the VA for suboxone and vicodens and then sell them to get more bth! Long live the VA!

“Don't let em take ur liberties”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#5 Apr 29, 2014
billieu123 wrote:
i dont unertand why these drs wait until they retire before they start talking maby they should be prosecuated
Maybe the administrators should be imprisoned if these secret lists exists. Now I'm open to hear the administrators side.
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#6 Apr 29, 2014
billieu123 wrote:
i dont unertand why these drs wait until they retire before they start talking maby they should be prosecuated
There is absolutely no job protection for any VA employee who would attempt to expose the truth about some of the "questionable" activities that happen everyday at the VA especially as it concerns the medical care of a veteran. Anyone attempting to expose the truth would be charged with a HIPPA violation and immediatedly fired. It would take years to fight it and you would still lose. The VA Office of Inspector General does not take anonamous calls seriously and the Whistleblower protetion act is a joke. The ONLY safe time to expose the VA's abuse is after you are no longer employed by the VA. Even that is often ineffective because the VA will simply label you as a disgruntled former employee and your complaints are quickly forgotten.
VA Hospital KILLS

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Apr 29, 2014
The murderous VA can be taken care of by authorized ALL VETS to visit any Hospital they wish. That would be then end of the VA health care system as we know it. I have visited VA hospitals and the care they provide is substandard at best. Suspect the ACA will provide the same level of healthcare, POOR.

I'd like to see a review of which Vets were put on the secret death lists, are they a certian race? It's time for the truth here...
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#8 Apr 30, 2014
All right, I concede that there is a secret list at the Phoenix VA. There has been enough news about it and not what happens? This VA no longer answers their phones? Congress has power and what are they doing about this!!!! Speak up veterans, you health is at stake here and America needs to know about this!!!!
Investigate IMMEDIATELY without delay!!! Obviously since nothing is being done to treat these veterans, something secret is going on.
VA Hospital KILLS

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Apr 30, 2014
The Mad Man wrote:
All right, I concede that there is a secret list at the Phoenix VA. There has been enough news about it and not what happens? This VA no longer answers their phones? Congress has power and what are they doing about this!!!! Speak up veterans, you health is at stake here and America needs to know about this!!!!
Investigate IMMEDIATELY without delay!!! Obviously since nothing is being done to treat these veterans, something secret is going on.
Vets need to protest, contact elected officials, seek out alternative medical treatment etc..
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#10 Apr 30, 2014
VA Hospital KILLS wrote:
<quoted text>
Vets need to protest, contact elected officials, seek out alternative medical treatment etc..
Most veterans just can't "seek out alternate medical treatment", they have no insurance to pay for it. That's why EVERY veteran needs a health care card that can be used anywhere not just at the VA. Than and only than will the VA be willing to attempt to compete with civilian healthcare.
VA Hospital KILLS

Minneapolis, MN

#11 May 3, 2014
All we should need for healthcare is our DD214.

We should be able to take the DD214 to any healthcare provider and get treated.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#12 May 4, 2014
VA Hospital KILLS wrote:
All we should need for healthcare is our DD214.
We should be able to take the DD214 to any healthcare provider and get treated.
If you knew anything about a dd214 discharge paper and the three months of intense training (just to understand the dd214 discharge papers) I had to go through to understand what each code on that discharge paper meant, no doctor or staff wants to go through that to decided if the discharge is honorable.
Federal govt paperwork is technical. There is a lot to know about dealing with what the govt does and how they do it. Do you know the dates of a Philippine discharge vs a Korean discharge vs reservist discharge vs a WW 1 or WW 2 veteran? Not all discharges are recognized as honorable in the US. Do you know how to tell if a veteran has not been honorable discharged?
What about a veteran who is 100% disabled? Did you know they are entitled to more govt benefits, like travel expenses, ambulance expenses and more. The training is even more intense for that to understand and no doctor or staff wants to do that.
What about the veteran who has a psychological disability? Do you think they just walk into any local hospital and tell the clerk...I am disabled, so I want to see a doctor...?
How about a transgender veteran (and yes there is such a thing), how do you tell what type of treatment they need? Yes, transgender veterans are entitled to medical care, the same as any other honorably discharged veteran. How do you handle their privacy?
If a blind man came into you hospital and says he was 100% disabled, entitled to travel, what would you do? Give it to him? How do you know he is 100% disabled from a military discharge and entitled to travel?
There are a lot of things to know about a dd214. There are also a lot of things to know about how a govt facility handles the care of a veteran. Dental is not part of an honorable discharge UNLESS it is within a certain time of discharge. Every other veteran has to pay for dental.
How about pharmacy? 100% disabled veterans do not pay for their medication. Any veteran who has a disability related to their time in service does not pay for pharmacy. How do you tell that? Do you think the staff, the doctor and you know how to look for this? How about the veteran who is not 100% disabled but only 50% disabled? What benefits are they entitled to? How about a veteran who is zero percent disabled? Do you know they are entitled to benefits? An what type of benefits is the veteran who is zero percent disabled, entitled to? Yes they are entitled to pharmacy benefits. I am zero percent disabled. I do not pay for medications related to my disability BUT does the pharmacy know that? I have had to call many a time to get the charges reversed on my medications related to my disability.
Many veterans fought in wars overseas. Not all these wars are recognized by the US.
How about when a veteran dies in a hospital? There are certain benefits they are entitled to. How about when a veteran dies at home? The benefits are not the same.
If a veteran falls in a hospital while under the care of a doctor, how is that handled? Not the same if no one see this. Suppose an operation goes bad? The doctor screwed up. Do you think they just ignore this? It is investigated to find out what happened and when and how. That could entitle the family to more money.
If a veteran dies and 5 wives show up, who would be entitled to the benefits? Do you know what Tir-Care is and who is entitled to this?
A veteran makes it through boot camp but is discharged shortly thereafter. Under what conditions are they entitled to medical benefits? Do you know what 'other that honorable conditions' conditions means. They could still be entitled to medical care.
Yes, there are a lot of avenues to learn as a govt employee and the training is intense. I went through 6 months of training just reading manuals. Jet a doctor to understand these rules?
Trigger

Minneapolis, MN

#13 May 4, 2014
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
If you knew anything about a dd214 discharge paper and the three months of intense training (just to understand the dd214 discharge papers) I had to go through to understand what each code on that discharge paper meant, no doctor or staff wants to go through that to decided if the discharge is honorable.
Federal govt paperwork is technical. There is a lot to know about dealing with what the govt does and how they do it. Do you know the dates of a Philippine discharge vs a Korean discharge vs reservist discharge vs a WW 1 or WW 2 veteran? Not all discharges are recognized as honorable in the US. Do you know how to tell if a veteran has not been honorable discharged?
What about a veteran who is 100% disabled? Did you know they are entitled to more govt benefits, like travel expenses, ambulance expenses and more. The training is even more intense for that to understand and no doctor or staff wants to do that.
What about the veteran who has a psychological disability? Do you think they just walk into any local hospital and tell the clerk...I am disabled, so I want to see a doctor...?
How about a transgender veteran (and yes there is such a thing), how do you tell what type of treatment they need? Yes, transgender veterans are entitled to medical care, the same as any other honorably discharged veteran. How do you handle their privacy?
If a blind man came into you hospital and says he was 100% disabled, entitled to travel, what would you do? Give it to him? How do you know he is 100% disabled from a military discharge and entitled to travel?
There are a lot of things to know about a dd214. There are also a lot of things to know about how a govt facility handles the care of a veteran. Dental is not part of an honorable discharge UNLESS it is within a certain time of discharge. Every other veteran has to pay for dental.
How about pharmacy? 100% disabled veterans do not pay for their medication. Any veteran who has a disability related to their time in service does not pay for pharmacy. How do you tell that? Do you think the staff, the doctor and you know how to look for this? How about the veteran who is not 100% disabled but only 50% disabled? What benefits are they entitled to? How about a veteran who is zero percent disabled? Do you know they are entitled to benefits? An what type of benefits is the veteran who is zero percent disabled, entitled to? Yes they are entitled to pharmacy benefits. I am zero percent disabled. I do not pay for medications related to my disability BUT does the pharmacy know that? I have had to call many a time to get the charges reversed on my medications related to my disability.
Many veterans fought in wars overseas. Not all these wars are recognized by the US.
How about when a veteran dies in a hospital? There are certain benefits they are entitled to. How about when a veteran dies at home? The benefits are not the same.
If a veteran falls in a hospital while under the care of a doctor, how is that handled? Not the same if no one see this. Suppose an operation goes bad? The doctor screwed up. Do you think they just ignore this? It is investigated to find out what happened and when and how. That could entitle the family to more money.
If a veteran dies and 5 wives show up, who would be entitled to the benefits? Do you know what Tir-Care is and who is entitled to this?
It don't matter to me if a Vet gets an honorable discharge or not, if you served your country you should not be placed on a 2 year waiting list for critical hospital care. Many Vets serve a long time and then because of service connected mental or physical illness is not honorably discharged.

Vet care must be simple so you can use a DD214 for needed care. OR should they be forced to go to a VA hospital and put on a waiting list and wait to die?
Steve

Phoenix, AZ

#14 May 4, 2014
This dosen't just happen at the VA, it happens at ALL
hospitals
FBI

United States

#15 Jun 8, 2014
Last I knew it is a Capitol Offense to accept money for committing Murder.
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Govt covers their own asses!!! I have seen this after 3 FBI investigations at my local VA. The first investigation failed after there was not enough proof that patient funds was being tampered with. Second investigation revealed paper trail could not be traced and finally the third investigation revealed clerks falsified paperwork to steal money that should have never left patient funds. Managements signature was on the paperwork. One clerk rolled over on the other clerk, the clerk that rolled got house arrest and the other clerk got 8 months in federal prison. Management was never held responsible.
This is not the first time something like this has happened at this VA. 4 Hospital directors in 5 years? Govt covers their tracks!
Suspicious deaths were given to the directors office and never seen again. A coroners case which was assigned to coroners office I personally interviewed, stated the accident was never declared an accident, patient just fell out of bed. Once these files get into managements hands, they are never seen again!
It is the 'job' of upper management to not let these things leak out and to cover the story any way they know how and they do know how after years of experience.
INVESTIGATE THE UPPER MANAGEMENT! HOW DID THEY LET THIS HAPPEN?
Who are these 1500 veterans? Have them come forward. If the veterans want care and are denied, interview the veteran. The denials start with the clerk that does the paperwork but management does not check that paperwork. Where are these 1500 veterans who were denied?
The 40 deaths are suspicious but management can again cover their tracks on this one.
Appoint an outside committee not under federal government rule to investigate these activities and there is no reason to appoint a sub committee or senate hearing because if these things are actually happening, getting to the investigation is what is important here. It will take years to crack this one and then it will be rolled under the rug.
Are you one of the veterans that was denied care at this VA?
Talk to the families of the deceased vets and find out what really happened here. Once you are on Federal Govt land, their rules apply and no one has challenged that yet?(try reading the manuals you have to go through for training).

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Peoria Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Sources: KTVK drops 'Good Morning Arizona' pers... (Mar '09) 56 min HotnPhx 1,185
Little League Vendor, Jevin, Stiffs, Pays Late ... 4 hr IntheNewsAgain 2
Frito lay lies to customers and employees (Dec '15) 6 hr Guest 93
News Civil-rights leaders slam Gov. Ducey for Confed... 6 hr MeMe 1
News Body found in desert near Sun City West (Feb '07) Aug 10 Lorna 3
Beware scammy dog 'rescue' Jul 17 Dog Rescue Scam 1
New to you AZ Jul '17 JJJ 2

Peoria Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Peoria Mortgages