Couple sues state of Arizona, Wal-Mar...

Couple sues state of Arizona, Wal-Mart over daughters' nude pics

There are 73 comments on the Fox 31 KDVR story from Sep 23, 2009, titled Couple sues state of Arizona, Wal-Mart over daughters' nude pics. In it, Fox 31 KDVR reports that:

A couple in Peoria, Arizona is suing the state of Arizona and Wal-Mart over nude bath time pictures of two young daughers that were supposed to be sweet and innocent.

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angrymom

Monroe, LA

#1 Sep 23, 2009
um... my thoughts??? oh H*** no! who out there doesnt have those embarrasing nude bathtime pics of when they were 5 or 6? We all have 'em (thank you mom).. and we ALL take 'em of our own kids! next thing you know somebody is going to turn in a dad for wiping his babies behind during a diaper change! this is crazy! that poor mom had to live a WHOLE month without her babies for nude bath photos?? she SHOULD sue them ALL! take 'em to the bank!
Innocent

Greenville, MS

#2 Sep 23, 2009
Innocent until proven guilty. Let's see the pictures and we'll decide !
ff_angel76

Denver, CO

#3 Sep 23, 2009
I think at some point in time in life we all as parents take innocent pictures of our kids playing in the tub for their memory albums.Just like we do with them in the pool or on the play ground...
I know that I am guilty of it but they are not used in a perverted way they are sweet and inncoent pictures of your babies.

This is what happens when our world is full of child petafiles and pornography. They should not be worrying about the pics that parents are taking innocently they should be worrying about the people that are abusing the pictures....

Maybe the person at Walmart should have minded their own business!! I am willing to bet that the employee for Walmart has taken pictures of their children or child being silly in the bath.
Texas Gal

Missouri City, TX

#4 Sep 23, 2009
The system is broken all over the county! Child Protective Services need to focus on the real cases. I don't blame the Demaree's for sueing!! I hope they win! Maybe that will get the point across!
PDBoy

United States

#5 Sep 23, 2009
No naked baby pictures of me exist and I've never taken any. I agree with Innocent. Innocent until proven guilty. Let's see the pictures and then we'll decide.
In the US-Justic is GREEN

Castle Rock, CO

#6 Sep 23, 2009
This is a purely obvious reason why we as Americans need access to attorneys at a reasonable cost. Who in their right mind didn't have those photos taken when young by a proud parent. Or, even taken them of their own kids. Yes porn is not right but to have photos stolen from Wal-Mart by an employee & reported as porn? Well, they should be delt with as well.
KTC

Lamar, CO

#7 Sep 23, 2009
I hope this couple wins in court! Wally-Mart sucks in my book, they shaft employees wit hlow wages and no benefits!
wyatt99

Denver, CO

#9 Sep 23, 2009
Mixed feelings about this case. Pics of your childre's genitals? A bit tacky and something that I would never do personally! I do know that many people view the nude body (even their children's) to be nothing more than a work of art. I guess I understand that but not the best decision to actually take those pics to a walmart for processing. What about the walmart photo workers? What if they were perverts? Why would you expose your children's bodies to a stranger? Bad judgment. Now would I endorse the children being taken away? NO! I am a law officer and I understand the need for an investigation but once the facts came out then the charges could be dropped. I don't think they have a right to compensation in this case either since this was the result of poor judgment on their part as parents.
wyatt99

Denver, CO

#10 Sep 23, 2009
One more thing. The photo labs in Colorado and I am sure applies in AZ have to report such things to authorities. Required by law.
J1F1H1

Aurora, CO

#11 Sep 23, 2009
Here's something to think about:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp...

It's from the Arizone revised statutes regarding:
Reporting suspected visual depictions of exploitation of a minor; immunity.

Right or wrong.
AXD

Fort Collins, CO

#12 Sep 23, 2009
better safe than sorry,
but the authorities should have been smart enough to realize after hours of looking into it that it was innocent...

when it comes down to it, I'd rather people be a little paranoid vs ignore possible abuse.
jmorgan

Broomfield, CO

#13 Sep 23, 2009
Any abuse of children is wrong but the police and news have made this area appear as a war and the preditors are everywhere when in fact your child has a much greater chance of getting hit by lightning (by at least 10 times as likely).

Police do not know how to exercise common sense, nor does the media because the news sells this as a war and budgets are supported by fear.

The police are trained to assume the worst - and then they justify their actions by their training instead of challenging the false statistics. It was proven that the Center for Missing Children has misused data to maintain their funding. The Center included every email from a student to another student asking about what they are wearing to school as support that the web is full of sexual deviates. I miss the police of old that were neighbhood friends instead of the gestapo.

If you think this cannot happen to you - I am sure the parents never felt this could happen to them - but it did. I hope the lawsuit works to keep in check the abuse of power by police and DA's. Without checks and balance, there is no end to what the police can do to wreck someone's lives - no accountability either.

The police and DA should not be able to just fall back on they were just "doing their job". We need to take back our ability to limit police intrusion into private lives and demand the police go after the real deviates instead of arresting people that are not a danger to society. Soon the police, home land security, etc will tell us what books we can read, what we can look up on the internet - just because it may harm someone somewhere. FEAR sells - just ask people that are funded by selling FEAR.
Tonja

Pine, CO

#14 Sep 23, 2009
How effing ridiculous! Family photos are different that what people post on the internet as pornography. Good Grief, where has all the common sense gone in todays society?
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#15 Sep 23, 2009
Wally World has now become part of the police State, is this surprising?

This is the paranoia we get with all of the political correctness we have so ignorantly subscribed to.

Get used to it folks, soon just living will be criminal.
kandi_07_04

Lyons, CO

#16 Sep 23, 2009
I think the clerk should have taken the situation to the store manager. That person should then decide whether to talk to the authorities or not. It should not be up to the employee. The manager should sit down with the parents and authorities and talk about why those pictures were even in there. Especially if there were pictures from a family vacation in there also. The police need to stop assuming the worst just because there were pictures of kids without clothes on. They are parents wanting to document certain points of their childrens' lives and should therefore be able to justify their actions to the authorities before having their privacy invaded and their kids taken away for a month. These other people making comments are right, abuse is abuse. But where do you draw the line? Yes the police should still have looked into it but they went too far and I hope the parents win all of their lawsuits. They deserve that after havuing their privacy violated so extensively.
sdg

Englewood, CO

#17 Sep 23, 2009
Way to go Walmart. They did what was required. Child protective services is where this was mishandled. There are currently no charges pending which indicates the pictures are not inappropriate or pornographic in nature. This should have been determined within an hour of receiving the evidence. Heads should roll start with the governor or mayor and take half a dozen more department heads with them.
123Really

United States

#18 Sep 23, 2009
Preschool bathing pics to be considered porn. Really? I'm sure these sister's are in there early years (4,5,6). The proof is in the pudding. The whole role of pictures that were developed probably consisted of nothing but various loving, cute, silly sister moments. That is too much! Shame on social services. I understand looking into it since it was reported, but strip the kids from there home? For a month? Really? How traumatizing! Those poor girls!
sfritz

Rochelle Park, NJ

#19 Sep 23, 2009
There needs to be more evidence of something malicious before authorities should take children away. Didn't they need a court order before they could even enter the home? What judge would have given that order based on bath photos? Especially if the photos where just part of the parent's regular picture taking (vacation or picnic, or whatever). I think these parents are absolutely right. I don't know why it would have taken a month to take action against the state except for fear of not getting the kids back. We should not have to fear the state.
wyatt99

Denver, CO

#20 Sep 23, 2009
If you must take nude photos of your children, please use a digital camera! Why expose your children to strangers? Trust me there are perverts everywhere. One of the posters showed the law in AZ that requires workers to report such incidents immediately! I agree with the reporting in this case. I do NOT agree with the children being taken however!! Once it was learned that the pics were innocent the case should have been closed. Guilty pedophiles/child pornogragphers do not take pics to a local walmart! I am just outraged that parents are so naive that they would expose their children to strangers (photo lab people). We are not living in the same times as we once were. Sickos are everywhere. Watch your children. Protect them that is your job!!!!
wyatt99

Denver, CO

#21 Sep 23, 2009
jmorgan wrote:
Any abuse of children is wrong but the police and news have made this area appear as a war and the preditors are everywhere when in fact your child has a much greater chance of getting hit by lightning (by at least 10 times as likely).
Police do not know how to exercise common sense, nor does the media because the news sells this as a war and budgets are supported by fear.
The police are trained to assume the worst - and then they justify their actions by their training instead of challenging the false statistics. It was proven that the Center for Missing Children has misused data to maintain their funding. The Center included every email from a student to another student asking about what they are wearing to school as support that the web is full of sexual deviates. I miss the police of old that were neighbhood friends instead of the gestapo.
If you think this cannot happen to you - I am sure the parents never felt this could happen to them - but it did. I hope the lawsuit works to keep in check the abuse of power by police and DA's. Without checks and balance, there is no end to what the police can do to wreck someone's lives - no accountability either.
The police and DA should not be able to just fall back on they were just "doing their job". We need to take back our ability to limit police intrusion into private lives and demand the police go after the real deviates instead of arresting people that are not a danger to society. Soon the police, home land security, etc will tell us what books we can read, what we can look up on the internet - just because it may harm someone somewhere. FEAR sells - just ask people that are funded by selling FEAR.
I am a Denver law officer and I agree with you on much of what you posted. However, I think you are very naive when it comes to situations such as this. Did you know that police (gestapo) are required by law to report incidents of child abuse, neglect, exploitation? In fact, a police officer could be jailed for failure to report such things. Cops are just doing their jobs in these cases trust me. Most of the time, we get called by social services personnel (the real gestapo)! They put the burden of reporting on the police. Most cops are family oriented and actually want limited government control when it comes to children. Put the blame on the real problem in the system. Police can only file reports and make arrests. Their decisions and work is checked by D.A.'s, social workers, judges and finally juries. Most of the time in these incidents it is the system (mandatory reporting etc) that start the investigation in the first place! So leave the p.d. out of your rant (I actually agree with most of what you posted with regards to the government intrusion)! I am a realist.

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