Octuplet birth might spawn new laws

The birth of octuplets to a Whittier woman could spur the creation of new state laws regulating in vitro fertilization.

[spoon]

I'm all for it. There is the health of the newborn to consider.

[Beth]

I agree! Poor people should not have litters and expect handoouts.

[Jaded Catholic]

Amen. If the government wants to regulate how many embryos are implanted in each IVF cycle, they should agree to taxpayer funding of the procedure. Or, government should limit the number of dependents any parent can claim in order to receive taxpayer funds. I find it amusing to read about people advocating for mental health screening of women undergoing IVF but are silent on mental health screening for all women, regardless of current number of children or income, before they chose to become pregnant. Truly, doesn’t all reproduction represent a facet of narcissism, whether parents have one or fourteen children?

I worked for the Catholic Church and continue to pay for COBRA benefits while now working elsewhere. I pay $446 per month for health insurance which covers no infertility diagnosis or treatment. How many obese, diabetic, alcoholic, aging or otherwise unhealthy people am I supporting monthly by my health insurance payment, people whose health problems are their own fault? I have no other regular medical needs, save periodic eye exams. It is also hilarious to read about how many Catholics are ignorant about IVF and believe that for any couple to undergo the procedure at least one embryo must be destroyed. Being one of thirteen children myself, it is devastating to be unable to become pregnant again naturally, especially as my son’s father is one of an enormous family himself. The entire experience has turned me away from the Catholic Church, in that it is so willing to advocate funding (private and public) for everyone else's children's needs, regardless of how many they have, how fit they are to act as parents, or whether they are contributing to providing for their own families, but I have been told by a prominent Catholic bioethicist that to conceive children through IVF is a grave sin for which I'd have to make a good confession. Does that sound Christlike? And how many Catholics willingly give up the possibility of becoming biological parents, to follow “Church teaching” while how many others undergo IVF or other unnatural procedures but still fill the pews on Sunday? And how many pastors are going to turn away members of the next generation of contributing congregation because they were conceived through a “sinful” procedure? While we have our hope and change president in office, I hope he acknowledges, along with the thousands of women seeking to destroy their fetuses, the thousands of women in this country that could become loving, self-sufficient mothers but who lack $12,000 to randomly spend on repeated IVF cycles. Having worked for years advocating for the rights of the poor, and thus finding myself primarily in that income bracket, I have become more and more cynical about our country and how public funds reward irresponsible behavior, with women, and men, knowing they can naturally procreate on the governments’ dime without having to seek permission from anyone. While Suleman's case in many respects is tragic, it does bring to glaring light the desperation of women to become mothers through such an expensive procedure, and the reality of the basic injustice in advocating for taxpayer funding of abortions but not taxpayer funding of fertility treatments for women that meet certain basic requirements for health and income.

[Nonnie]

Beth wrote:

I agree! Poor people should not have litters and expect handoouts.

No one should have "litters" and expect handouts..........poor has nothing to do with it.
If anyone cannot afford to have ivf, then it should NOT be done. A child has the right to a good life, with parents that can take care of them, the parents have no right to expect tax dollars for support of ANY kind.

[Joe]

I'm still angry at my parents for having a large litter that they could not afford (13) We grew up dirt poor with no guidance. To this day I resent it. None of us are on speaking terms. Parents should think twice about having large families if they are mentally unstable!

[Joe]

Nonnie wrote:

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No one should have "litters" and expect handouts..........poor has nothing to do with it.
If anyone cannot afford to have ivf, then it should NOT be done. A child has the right to a good life, with parents that can take care of them, the parents have no right to expect tax dollars for support of ANY kind.

Ofcourse poor has everything to do with babies. If you are poor, you can not afford to take care of babies. If you are well off, then you can!!

[sound mind]

I don't know anyone that could handle 8 babies alone let alone take care of the 6 at home. This woman is not of sound mind but the children do need to be taken care of. I hope the state watches out for these kids. I have a feeling she will not have them long, unfortunately DCFS will probably have to step in.

[It is G]

Sorry, If you pay for your own procedures, the government should have NO SAY in how many embryos they implant or how many children you have. Where are we, China?

When it comes to being on assistance, then yes, they have the right to limit the amount you can claim.

[What]

Next thing they'll be r_agheads and w__etbacks doin the same goddam thang. Let's stop it now before it's too late!

[Concerned Citizen]

Another Stupid and Greedy Doctor

In this article, this Dr. Tipton states,
"In countries where there are rules, there is also almost always payment," Tipton said. "If the state of California wants to have the right to control how infertility therapies are done, they should pay for them."
EX-SQUEEZE ME!!!!
I understand State Sen. Sam Aanestad completely and he has my full support.
He doesn't want a repeat of this FIASCO where other irresponsible nut cases put childrens' health and well being at risk at the State's expense as well as continued "mis-use" of taxpayer dependent state funds.

[Rob]

Another Republican who wants to eliminate women's rights.

If you're not super duper rich, the state will now ban you from having children and might have Child Services seize the ones you have already.

[Explain and defend]

Jaded Catholic wrote:

Amen. If the government wants to regulate how many embryos are implanted in each IVF cycle, they should agree to taxpayer funding of the procedure. Or, government should limit the number of dependents any parent can claim in order to receive taxpayer funds. I find it amusing to read about people advocating for mental health screening of women undergoing IVF but are silent on mental health screening for all women, regardless of current number of children or income, before they chose to become pregnant. Truly, doesn’t all reproduction represent a facet of narcissism, whether parents have one or fourteen children?
I worked for the Catholic Church and continue to pay for COBRA benefits while now working elsewhere. I pay $446 per month for health insurance which covers no infertility diagnosis or treatment. How many obese, diabetic, alcoholic, aging or otherwise unhealthy people am I supporting monthly by my health insurance payment, people whose health problems are their own fault? I have no other regular medical needs, save periodic eye exams. It is also hilarious to read about how many Catholics are ignorant about IVF and believe that for any couple to undergo the procedure at least one embryo must be destroyed. Being one of thirteen children myself, it is devastating to be unable to become pregnant again naturally, especially as my son’s father is one of an enormous family himself. The entire experience has turned me away from the Catholic Church, in that it is so willing to advocate funding (private and public) for everyone else's children's needs, regardless of how many they have, how fit they are to act as parents, or whether they are contributing to providing for their own families, but I have been told by a prominent Catholic bioethicist that to conceive children through IVF is a grave sin for which I'**** have to make a good confession. Does that sound Christlike? And how many Catholics willingly give up the possibility of becoming biological parents, to follow “Church teaching” while how many others undergo IVF or other unnatural procedures but still fill the pews on Sunday? And how many pastors are going to turn away members of the next generation of contributing congregation because they were conceived through a “sinful” procedure? While we have our hope and change president in office, I hope he acknowledges, along with the thousands of women seeking to destroy their fetuses, the thousands of women in this country that could become loving, self-sufficient mothers but who lack $12,000 to randomly spend on repeated IVF cycles. Having worked for years advocating for the rights of the poor, and thus finding myself primarily in that income bracket, I have become more and more cynical about our country and how public funds reward irresponsible behavior, with women, and men, knowing they can naturally procreate on the governments’ dime without having to seek permission from anyone. While Suleman's case in many respects is tragic, it does bring to glaring light the desperation of women to become mothers through such an expensive procedure, and the reality of the basic injustice in advocating for taxpayer funding of abortions but not taxpayer funding of fertility treatments for women that meet certain basic requirements for health and income.

Become a protestant, that way you can do what you want. The church does not make the rules, Jesus' made them. The church just tries to make sure they are followed. So what if they help children and the poor, that's the Christian thing to do isn't it?
Don't blame the church for your problem.
There are many children that need to be adopted, try that.

[man bear pig]

So, if the state/feds don't pay, then who will? This doesn't look like a very well thought-out solution.

[man bear pig]

Jaded Catholic wrote:

Amen. If the government wants to regulate how many embryos are implanted in each IVF cycle, they should agree to taxpayer funding of the procedure. Or, government should limit the number of dependents any parent can claim in order to receive taxpayer funds. I find it amusing to read about people advocating for mental health screening of women undergoing IVF but are silent on mental health screening for all women, regardless of current number of children or income, before they chose to become pregnant. Truly, doesn’t all reproduction represent a facet of narcissism, whether parents have one or fourteen children?
I worked for the Catholic Church and continue to pay for COBRA benefits while now working elsewhere. I pay $446 per month for health insurance which covers no infertility diagnosis or treatment. How many obese, diabetic, alcoholic, aging or otherwise unhealthy people am I supporting monthly by my health insurance payment, people whose health problems are their own fault? I have no other regular medical needs, save periodic eye exams. It is also hilarious to read about how many Catholics are ignorant about IVF and believe that for any couple to undergo the procedure at least one embryo must be destroyed. Being one of thirteen children myself, it is devastating to be unable to become pregnant again naturally, especially as my son’s father is one of an enormous family himself. The entire experience has turned me away from the Catholic Church, in that it is so willing to advocate funding (private and public) for everyone else's children's needs, regardless of how many they have, how fit they are to act as parents, or whether they are contributing to providing for their own families, but I have been told by a prominent Catholic bioethicist that to conceive children through IVF is a grave sin for which I'**** have to make a good confession. Does that sound Christlike? And how many Catholics willingly give up the possibility of becoming biological parents, to follow “Church teaching” while how many others undergo IVF or other unnatural procedures but still fill the pews on Sunday? And how many pastors are going to turn away members of the next generation of contributing congregation because they were conceived through a “sinful” procedure? While we have our hope and change president in office, I hope he acknowledges, along with the thousands of women seeking to destroy their fetuses, the thousands of women in this country that could become loving, self-sufficient mothers but who lack $12,000 to randomly spend on repeated IVF cycles. Having worked for years advocating for the rights of the poor, and thus finding myself primarily in that income bracket, I have become more and more cynical about our country and how public funds reward irresponsible behavior, with women, and men, knowing they can naturally procreate on the governments’ dime without having to seek permission from anyone. While Suleman's case in many respects is tragic, it does bring to glaring light the desperation of women to become mothers through such an expensive procedure, and the reality of the basic injustice in advocating for taxpayer funding of abortions but not taxpayer funding of fertility treatments for women that meet certain basic requirements for health and income.

Hell, let's put the government in charge and make people get "birth permits". Then politicians could sell them like Blago to the highest bidder. Brave New World, or 1984? Get the government out of the business of supporting families. People need to work. Nadya needs to give up 10-12 of her kids and get a job. Would it be tough? Sure, but many couples would love to adopt and cannot find an American baby.

[man bear pig]

Joe wrote:

I'm still angry at my parents for having a large litter that they could not afford (13) We grew up dirt poor with no guidance. To this day I resent it. None of us are on speaking terms. Parents should think twice about having large families if they are mentally unstable!

Sorry Joe, I'm still disturbed that I wasn't an only child...at least my dad worked and we did okay.

[pasadena resident]

Tax payers SHOULD NOT be paying for abortions either.

[INCREDIBLE]

How about a little responsibility here? This woman has 14 children and is going to use a student loan to support them for now. That's ridiculous! I'll bet the institution that's funding the loan might have a different view.

She may not be on "welfare" right now, but she is receiving food stamps. Call it what you want, but that's still public assistance. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before she is on welfare.

And what about the doctor? I'd say there was a serious lack of responsibility on his part too. I hope he gets a huge fine or gets his license yanked.

[my2kids_mom]

If fertility treatments cost between 7 and 15 thousand dollars, where did she get that kind of money? I have taken out student loans to help my kids go to college and they send the check straight to the school. I don't think we should be like China and advocate one child, but neither do I think we should subsidize litters for those that just want babies. There MUST be some type of legislation, but it will be a very difficult one to draft. We live in the best country in the world and for people to take advantage of the system like octomom saddens me. As many have said before me, she is trying to make a buck on the backs of the taxpayers. No matter what the outcome, the 14 children ARE suffering and will continue to suffer with this "mother".

[samo]

Hi, I get married before three years , and I want from all my heart to be mom, normal as any woman , to hold a baby , and at my age 42 now i reid IVf for 3 times and it costs us too much and still, i'll try more and if i have chance to put more ( eggs why not to give me more chance ) its hard to me stressfull, emotional , to try it more , and more and no succsses , and god bless that woman , of 8 when i saw them i cried and i want to know who's the dr, realy if you can help me ( my e- mail ) [e-mail] , i can't pay any more money i sold everything , i want to go a succssefull Dr. to help me go through that last time ,

[Samo]

I agree , if the goverment want s to know how many eggs the dR, should put and make a law about so, they should pay , for the filtirity treatments and the problems ( god know the mental problems and the stress that woman goes after failer and feel that no hope to become mom makes your heart breake down ,