Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60667 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Melmore, OH

#32246 Aug 25, 2012
Deniers ask the same questions but answers to them get more and more piercing, thanks to science progress.

An example, this is a vivid explanation of the climate shift, by a scientist:

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“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32247 Aug 25, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>HUH???
Who needs you around? NOBODY.
You're fired!
f++k off wanker!

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32248 Aug 25, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
I read that. It is a worry.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32249 Aug 25, 2012
flack wrote:
I read that. It is a worry.
There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32250 Aug 25, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
Sorry you feel that way about yourself.Well the useless babble and hate seem to be cleaned up a bit good job.
litesong

Everett, WA

#32251 Aug 25, 2012
PHD wrote:
the useless babble and hate seem to be cleaned up a bit good job.
He's just taking a breath.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32252 Aug 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
He's just taking a breath.
So sad to bad. For a moment I had hoped for some recovery form the dirtling.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#32253 Aug 26, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
As usual, you are babbling incessantly about something that you are in complete ignorance.
Not really, this is based on personal experience: "[P]eople buy fossil fuel and its taxes pay for far more than any 'fossil fuel subsidy'. Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money." All long range transport is run with fossil fuel. The least expensive electrical generators use fossil fuel.

When's the last time you've seen a vehicle powered by electricity, solar or wind power? Fossil fuels are wonderful, they are the most efficient production, storage and transport agents for solar power. It's like burning prehistoric sunlight.

Don't be a dummy, learn about life.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#32254 Aug 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
He's just taking a breath.
Good call!
cricket

Orlando, FL

#32255 Aug 26, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Deniers ask the same questions but answers to them get more and more piercing, thanks to science progress.
An example, this is a vivid explanation of the climate shift, by a scientist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TX2KyF0p-xUXX&feature=you tu.be
...and devout believers of cc/mmcc religion just get more shrill, repeating the mantra's of their warmie high priest guru's.

Repeating the cc/mmcc bs over & over will not make it the truth.
Really.
It won't.
Maybe you could click your ruby reds and wish it into reality.
It will work just as well as warmies beliefs & propaganda in a lie.

P.S.
Know why most believers have already left this thread?
They KNOW it's ALL B.S. They're not believers anymore.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32256 Aug 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
I'm not worried for myself. This country can't handle it right now. With all the coal fired plants being shut down just when we mat need all the power we can generate.
cricket

Orlando, FL

#32258 Aug 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
Yeah, I saw that.
You know what the ardent warmie followers will still say....if they jump on that bandwagon (because Hansen or another cc/mmcc guru said so)....it's now global cooling only because it's the global warming that caused it. lol.

The push for a solution for the new crisis will be the same as the old solution from all these cc/mmcc believing clowns.

They'll just substitute a few words and viola! The new crisis de jour with the same old tired refrains.

Man IS good at adapting as you said, because actually, that's all that can be done. No one can control the sun.

But remember, these cc/mmcc warmies do not really believe the sun has much, if anything, to do with the earth's climate cycles and changes.
It's all man's doing. Throw all your money at it and go back to pre-industrialized ways, live dirt poor without much of anything, especially energy and bingo! problem solved.

The sun will surely obey and the temp on the earth will never ever change anywhere again.
lol.

A repeat for the slow remedial warmies:

"When analyzing ancient history in bronze age times, what really stands out is the mass migration of many people groups, beginning in the 1400 B.C. time frame, because of

**** catastrophic climate change****,

as before the climate change, bronze age cities such as Nippur, Ubar, Harappa, Yam, Ebla, and Jiroft, thrived in what would become deserts, left in arid desolation because of the serious decline of ranifall which began circa 1500 B.C."

http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2009/ ...

he Paleothic Period (c. 25000 BC)

"Archaeological evidence suggests that Egypt was inhabited by hunters over 250,000 years ago when the region was a green grassland.
The Paleolithic period around 25000 BC brought climatic changes which turned Egypt into a desert."
http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/pre_dynastic.ht ...
SpaceBlues

Melmore, OH

#32259 Aug 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't worry. The AGW scientists don't ever read your words. Even your topix AGW denier buds make short work of your posts.
Your macho duck fingertaps isn't reminiscent of anything I remember in my aero engineering classes. However, we talked about the Viet Nam protestors & said they wouldn't take over any of the engineering buildings. The demonstrators, would always go to upper campus to make their protests, tho the engineering buildings were right next to the HUB demonstrator gathering point. Just too many military people in the engineering classes.
That poster shows up here with smoke and fire.
SpaceBlues

Melmore, OH

#32260 Aug 26, 2012
.. many species have been responding to recent climate change, yet the complexities of a species’ ecological needs and their responses to habitat modification by humans can result in unanticipated responses,” UC Berkeley Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management professor Steven Beissinger, who served as senior author on both studies, told Yang.“This makes it very challenging for scientists to project how species will respond to future climate change.”
redOrbit ( http://s.tt/1lbDA )

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32262 Aug 26, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not really, this is based on personal experience: "[P]eople buy fossil fuel and its taxes pay for far more than any 'fossil fuel subsidy'. Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money." All long range transport is run with fossil fuel. The least expensive electrical generators use fossil fuel.
When's the last time you've seen a vehicle powered by electricity, solar or wind power? Fossil fuels are wonderful, they are the most efficient production, storage and transport agents for solar power. It's like burning prehistoric sunlight.
Don't be a dummy, learn about life.
The statement "Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money." is absolutely wrong. Solar and wind do not waste money.

Even if that were the case, why must we subsidize fossil fuel production by giving tax breaks? We should be taxed to help pay for the environmental damage these products cause. If that were added into the equation, then renewable energies would be more competitive.
dany

Manchester, UK

#32263 Aug 26, 2012
Ahoj,moja afrika.Stretol som JK,v Kanade,je OK.Navrhujem efektivnu spionaz,a vojensky prieskum.1oo dolarov.zmeni mysel teroristu.Inak by som si musel vyzliect svoj ,velmi drahy ,plast.Potom, mu daj moznost pracovat,a pocitit,co je to dobry zivot.Dakujem,Daniel..Ak nie, strielaj,moji ludia,nebudu ich otrokmi.Ahoj,Pozdrav manzelku...Dan

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32264 Aug 26, 2012
flack wrote:
I'm not worried for myself. This country can't handle it right now. With all the coal fired plants being shut down just when we may need all the power we can generate.
Worrying has never fixed anything, so you're right not to.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32265 Aug 26, 2012
cricket wrote:
Yeah, I saw that.
You know what the ardent warmie followers will still say....if they jump on that bandwagon (because Hansen or another cc/mmcc guru said so)....it's now global cooling only because it's the global warming that caused it. lol.
The push for a solution for the new crisis will be the same as the old solution from all these cc/mmcc believing clowns.
They'll just substitute a few words and viola! The new crisis de jour with the same old tired refrains.
Man IS good at adapting as you said, because actually, that's all that can be done. No one can control the sun.
But remember, these cc/mmcc warmies do not really believe the sun has much, if anything, to do with the earth's climate cycles and changes.
It's all man's doing. Throw all your money at it and go back to pre-industrialized ways, live dirt poor without much of anything, especially energy and bingo! problem solved.
The sun will surely obey and the temp on the earth will never ever change anywhere again.
lol.
A repeat for the slow remedial warmies:
"When analyzing ancient history in bronze age times, what really stands out is the mass migration of many people groups, beginning in the 1400 B.C. time frame, because of
**** catastrophic climate change****,
as before the climate change, bronze age cities such as Nippur, Ubar, Harappa, Yam, Ebla, and Jiroft, thrived in what would become deserts, left in arid desolation because of the serious decline of rainfall which began circa 1500 B.C."
http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2009/ ...
he Paleothic Period (c. 25000 BC)
"Archaeological evidence suggests that Egypt was inhabited by hunters over 250,000 years ago when the region was a green grassland.
The Paleolithic period around 25000 BC brought climatic changes which turned Egypt into a desert."
http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/pre_dynastic.ht ...
The west is in a catch 22 situation, it needs more workers to pay more taxes to maintain infrastructure, pensions and health care etc, but more people means more of a load on infrastructure, pensions and health care etc.
Sort the current recession out before wasting more money on Glowbull warming.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32266 Aug 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>The west is in a catch 22 situation, it needs more workers to pay more taxes to maintain infrastructure, pensions and health care etc, but more people means more of a load on infrastructure, pensions and health care etc.
Sort the current recession out before wasting more money on Glowbull warming.
You old geezer, if projects were opened up to build a smart grid, install passive solar energy sources, improve efficiencies of homes and offices along with manufacturing facilities etc., more money would flow and the private sector would recover much like it did when America invested in the Marshall Plan in Europe after WWII.

The worth of the USA is not the problem, it is getting the money to flow into the hands of the consumers once again.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#32267 Aug 26, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
The statement "Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money." is absolutely wrong. Solar and wind do not waste money.
Then why do solar and wind power require subsidy, government spending on research and taxpayer guaranteed loans? Why do solar power companies go TI all the time while fossil fuel companies can survive for decades and longer? Why do we pay more taxes on a tank of gas than profit to the producers?

.
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Even if that were the case, why must we subsidize fossil fuel production by giving tax breaks? We should be taxed to help pay for the environmental damage these products cause. If that were added into the equation, then renewable energies would be more competitive.
I think what Pat calls 'tax breaks' apply to all capital depreciation to one degree or another. We aren't taxes to help pay for fossil fuel, we pay taxes on the fossil fuel we buy and that funds government to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.

Fossil fuel is renewable energy, after you burn a lump of coal you renew it by buying more. The geological forces that created fossil fuel haven't stopped just because Pat's too lazy to learn about science.

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