Our liquid gold - Ruidoso News

Our liquid gold - Ruidoso News

There are 37 comments on the Ruidoso News story from May 17, 2011, titled Our liquid gold - Ruidoso News. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

Ruidoso officials must face the reality of water supply limitations, pass the necessary rules to enforce conservation and set up contingency plans for emergencies, says a former village manager.

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just wondering

Ruidoso, NM

#1 May 17, 2011
How much water do the, what, seven or eight (!) golf courses in our community use?
long duck dong

Hobbs, NM

#2 May 17, 2011
just wondering wrote:
How much water do the, what, seven or eight (!) golf courses in our community use?
Exactly! How much water does that stupid track use? Our liquid gold isn't going to be protected until we get people in the department who are proactive and don't sit around spinning rhetoric. Wells should have been built. Land should have been procurred. Too many people sitting around with their thumbs up their ass. They probably have the hoses running at home, too. Idiots.

Since: Aug 10

United States

#3 May 17, 2011
Yep, I have been trying to warn the Board for a year now and no one bothered to write back.. I sent everyone on the committee a letter concerning a land swap they wanted to do with a local business man and that was giving up half of the eagle creek canyon land along ski run road in exchange for a small triangle shaped scrap of dirt next to the RHS..?

The canyon area first needs to be protected because that is a hugely viable water source yet the city wanted to trade it off so I know for sure the deal is corrupted in some way.. The Ruidoso paper did a story on it and I never heard about it again.. I told the city to sell the land if they had to because it was worth several wells at least and that could have been written into the sale that they retain the right to use the water but apparently that did not make sense..

I can't believe that no one has taken the time to study the water tables in the area...? My god, if you look over at west Texas you will see they are drying up rapidly and they cannot sustain life after 20 years or so, and if that is true where do you think they will be looking to to tap into a nearby water source... New Mexico is really going to be in trouble soon over water just like Calif is going through now and it will only get worse..
Jake

Ruidoso, NM

#4 May 18, 2011
just wondering wrote:
How much water do the, what, seven or eight (!) golf courses in our community use?
Our "community" being Ruidoso, has 2.
just wondering

Ruidoso, NM

#5 May 18, 2011
Jake wrote:
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Our "community" being Ruidoso, has 2.
Yup, the surrounding subdivisions have no effect on the local water supplies none whatsoever. Water recognizes political boundaries on a map.
Water Hogs

Capitan, NM

#6 May 18, 2011
Jake wrote:
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Our "community" being Ruidoso, has 2.
Three, counting the small one inside the Innsbrook complex that uses water from Cedar Creek. And don't forget the REGULAR watering of soccer fields, high school field, ball diamonds, etc - that see very little use but require enough water to sustain the village demands on a daily basis. By that I mean the water for ONE golf course is is enough to supply a population base of 30,000 by some estimates. And as some may know, the water used for the Links golf course (Hubbard's enterprise) is "supposedly" purchased from the city. In fact the golf course is on city land - not owned by Hubbard.

The so-called "water team" of Potter, Adkins et al is one of the worst of the worst when it comes to feeding from the public trough. They have bilked the village of $MILLIONS in the past and continue to do so with their shenanigans.
eagle eye

Goodyear, AZ

#7 May 18, 2011
Going to try to squeek more blood out of a turnip on eagle creek-THE WATER IS NOT THERE-Atkins knows it, Perry knows it,Jones knows it and the state engineer knows it. Yes Atkins-you made the big bucks off your un-truths about the water supply on eagle creek but you better start water wishing another area because the dog on eagle creek won't hunt anymore and there just might be enough councilors on this council that can actually use their brains and get it figured out. Truly time for a new "TEAM"
Ex El Paso res

Las Cruces, NM

#8 May 18, 2011
Ruidoso had the chance to buy Sirrera Blanca Ski Area from Anderson in the 60s . Turned it down.

Had the chance to buy Bonito Lake from the Rail Road. Turned it down.

Built a Dam so a developer could sale lots (that later went bankrupt). The Dam is located in a geological unsound (minor fault) area and the water has to be pumped over a hill to the lake (no natural water inlet). Dam has leaked since completion in the 80s and continues to leak.

No intelligent signs of life can be found anywhere at any time in the management of Ruidoso by the Mayor or Council but much corruption, favortisim and neptotism.

Grew up there. Most folks are good folks but leadership in the village S*CKS.
Ex El Paso res

Las Cruces, NM

#9 May 18, 2011
Water Hogs wrote:
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Three, counting the small one inside the Innsbrook complex that uses water from Cedar Creek. And don't forget the REGULAR watering of soccer fields, high school field, ball diamonds, etc - that see very little use but require enough water to sustain the village demands on a daily basis. By that I mean the water for ONE golf course is is enough to supply a population base of 30,000 by some estimates. And as some may know, the water used for the Links golf course (Hubbard's enterprise) is "supposedly" purchased from the city. In fact the golf course is on city land - not owned by Hubbard.
The so-called "water team" of Potter, Adkins et al is one of the worst of the worst when it comes to feeding from the public trough. They have bilked the village of $MILLIONS in the past and continue to do so with their shenanigans.
Potter has been sc*ewing Ruidoso and Lincoln county since I was a kid.

If you want a stool sample from Hubbard scrape it off Potter's nose!!!!
Ex El Paso res

Las Cruces, NM

#10 May 18, 2011
Jake wrote:
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Our "community" being Ruidoso, has 2.
Taking lessons from El Paso Public Service Board on how to steal water from your neighbors?

Ruidoso Village leadership own stupidity put Ruidoso where it is in regards to water supply.

Alamogordo and Holloman AFB are sure glad Ruidoso was stupid enough not to buy Bonito lake!!!
chachadeva

Capitan, NM

#11 May 18, 2011
Jake wrote:
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Our "community" being Ruidoso, has 2.
Ruidoso - The Links, Cree Meadows, Innsbrook, White Mountain Meadows

Same water table?
Inn of the Mountain Gods, Alto, Kokopelli, Rainmakers, Outlaw club at Lincoln Hill

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Jake

Ruidoso, NM

#12 May 18, 2011
just wondering wrote:
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Yup, the surrounding subdivisions have no effect on the local water supplies none whatsoever. Water recognizes political boundaries on a map.
Just reading what you wrote. Perhaps you meant county, region, state, or something.
mary ann moorhouse

Mayhill, NM

#13 May 18, 2011
We all take water from the Water Table....There is no "yours, or "Mine"...or from this river or that river...... If it is not replaced by rain or snow, then we all suffer, some sooner than others depending on our location.
Ruidoso Red

Nogal, NM

#14 May 18, 2011
Ask some of the old timers around here and they will tell us to cut down some of the trees. They all suck up lots of water and we could do with some clearing out some of the fire hazard.
finnegan

Hobbs, NM

#15 May 18, 2011
Ruidoso Red wrote:
Ask some of the old timers around here and they will tell us to cut down some of the trees. They all suck up lots of water and we could do with some clearing out some of the fire hazard.
You idiot. This is a forest. The forest does not belong to you. It belongs to the chipmunks, racoons, mountain lions, deer, beavers, hawks & cougars. You just try and cut down a tree on my watch and watch me go berserk.
name

Ruidoso, NM

#16 May 19, 2011
finnegan wrote:
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You idiot. This is a forest. The forest does not belong to you. It belongs to the chipmunks, racoons, mountain lions, deer, beavers, hawks & cougars. You just try and cut down a tree on my watch and watch me go berserk.
On the chance that you're actually being serious:
Regardless of the water situation, the forest needs to be thinned. A hundred years of human fire suppression have left the forest very unhealthy. A normal, healthy forest, that's cleaned up by the occasional wildfire, should have around 40-60 trees per acre. There are hundreds more than that in some places around here.

All of those trees are competing for soil nutrients and water, leading to these skinny, anemic trees we have now. Also, all of the dead trees and pine needles don't get periodically cleared out. All this adds to fuel, making forest fires much worse and hotter when they do happen, burning everything rather than just burning the weak and the already dead.

Have you been for a hike in the Wilderness areas lately? It's a sad sight. Thinning is good for the forest and the critters who live in it
Reasearcher

United States

#17 May 19, 2011
chachadeva wrote:
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Ruidoso - The Links, Cree Meadows, Innsbrook, White Mountain Meadows
Same water table?
Inn of the Mountain Gods, Alto, Kokopelli, Rainmakers, Outlaw club at Lincoln Hill
It would be helpful if you would research your information once in a while. Rainmakers has their own water company supplied by a healthy string of water rights. Now THERE is a group of developers who planned ahead!

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Ruidoso, NM

#18 May 19, 2011
Reasearcher wrote:
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It would be helpful if you would research your information once in a while. Rainmakers has their own water company supplied by a healthy string of water rights. Now THERE is a group of developers who planned ahead!
chachadeva listed the golf courses in the area. Rainmakers is indeed a local golf course. And unless they have their water trucked in, they draw their water from the same water table as the rest of us.

But, to my knowledge, White Mountain Meadows doesn't have a golf course. So chachadeva was incorrect on that one

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me again

Hobbs, NM

#19 May 19, 2011
name wrote:
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On the chance that you're actually being serious:
Regardless of the water situation, the forest needs to be thinned. A hundred years of human fire suppression have left the forest very unhealthy. A normal, healthy forest, that's cleaned up by the occasional wildfire, should have around 40-60 trees per acre. There are hundreds more than that in some places around here.
All of those trees are competing for soil nutrients and water, leading to these skinny, anemic trees we have now. Also, all of the dead trees and pine needles don't get periodically cleared out. All this adds to fuel, making forest fires much worse and hotter when they do happen, burning everything rather than just burning the weak and the already dead.
Have you been for a hike in the Wilderness areas lately? It's a sad sight. Thinning is good for the forest and the critters who live in it
Still I would start with things like grease traps, too many golf courses, ineffecient management, ineffecient planning, and overgrowth. The trees grow naturally. Arent you as concerned with the fact that there are too many people here for the available water supply? Look at Prescott, Arizona. It used to be a nice town in the mountains vistors flocked too and now it's strip mall, walmart, mcdonalds everywhere. It's disgusting. The chamber of commerce should serve the visitors and keep this town a visitors town and not be licking realtor booty. The realtors are the problem. There are too many of them. We need less year round residents and more visitors.
If they went through and thinned the forest correctly, ie yanked down unhealthy trees- that would be great. But they just point and plow. That's unhealthy. And the trees roots still draw water. So all of these cut off trees still take SOME water away.
Researcher

United States

#20 May 19, 2011
name wrote:
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chachadeva listed the golf courses in the area. Rainmakers is indeed a local golf course. And unless they have their water trucked in, they draw their water from the same water table as the rest of us.
But, to my knowledge, White Mountain Meadows doesn't have a golf course. So chachadeva was incorrect on that one
My information indicates that Rainmakers water table comes from the Hondo Basin. How can that be the same? Most of these water rights have been privately owned for generations.........Not to mention that the Rainmaker development is at least 12 miles from Village limits and at a much higher elevation!

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