Suspect shot after hitting 2 officers...

Suspect shot after hitting 2 officers with stolen SUV - Hawaii ...

There are 172 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 4, 2009, titled Suspect shot after hitting 2 officers with stolen SUV - Hawaii .... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Police homicide and Internal Affairs officers are continuing their investigation today into the police shooting in Waikele of an auto theft suspect who remained hospitalized last night.

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alice

United States

#144 Nov 5, 2009
hpd acted properly in this case. And Kaz is just being mean.
Rowrrr

Mililani, HI

#145 Nov 5, 2009
Nah, Kaz states it well.
push

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#146 Nov 5, 2009
sour poi wrote:
When you read some of these silly little postings like from xxxx and daniwitz13, it makes you realize why its so hard to convict idiots like this when you have stupid people like this in the jury pool.
Sometimes, the jury pool, like the gene pool, needs chlorine.
i guess that's the reason we have perps with 50+ convictions running around this state. yet, people bitch about our 'lax' judicial system when those perps kill an innocent bystander.
alice

United States

#147 Nov 5, 2009
hpd reacted well. At times, hpd is impressive. At other times....

But yes, Lopez will be out on the streets again soon. That is the way our courts are.
Paul Kersey

AOL

#148 Nov 5, 2009
The Police officer that shot the criminal should be immediately fired. Not for the shooting, but for not aiming for the head of the vermin. Now along with Welfare and other BS govt giveaway programs this slug and his family are receiving, the taxpayers will have to cover his medical expenses.
Paul Kersey

AOL

#149 Nov 5, 2009
Another thing this crime infested island needs. Preemptive death squads ( no shortage of career criminal targets) Thats a gov't program I could endorse.
Da Vigilante

Honolulu, HI

#150 Nov 5, 2009
Love the sarcasim.

All HPD officers should immediately be trained to go for head shots whenever possible. Promote this as a new training and suspect take-down tactic in 2010. Let's see how the car thieves and other criminals react to this new policy.

I suspect we'll see less car thieves and more surrendering in situations like this, knowing the cops are making head shots a priority.

I know it will never happen, but how else can we stop this revolving door criminal justice system?
Paul Kersey wrote:
The Police officer that shot the criminal should be immediately fired. Not for the shooting, but for not aiming for the head of the vermin. Now along with Welfare and other BS govt giveaway programs this slug and his family are receiving, the taxpayers will have to cover his medical expenses.
get real

Honolulu, HI

#151 Nov 5, 2009
xxxx wrote:
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I was real, on the streets for 20 plus years. So I have a clue about my posts. And you?
They used poor tactics. They are lucky that no one else was accidentally shot. Conditions are never perfect, but with preplanning, training and correct tactics you can gain the upper hand and overcome the threat.
Just because things turned out for the best doesn't mean things were done correctly.
Anyone with training, common sense and honesty would tell you that it was unsound to make the stop where they did.
Hmmm??? Seems by the judging of your post, there are some who disagree with you and claim you are a clueless nutcase that is somewhat amusing at best. Sorry about your situation though. Hope that you're able to get off the streets soon.
xxxx

Honolulu, HI

#152 Nov 5, 2009
armchair quarterback wrote:
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where else would you have taken him down? would you have known EXACTLY where he was heading towards after KFC? you'd make a better career in tarot cards and palm reading. maybe give Lon VO a run for her money. i agree, an ideal place like yokohama bay at 0200 hours would be an ideal place do conduct a high risk vehicle stop -- nobody around and nowhere to run. so you would just continue to follow him knowing that you have a finite amount of resources? where do you cut the line? sounds like YOU need a refresher on tactics and decision making. everything turned out good. you're a typical armchair quarterback -- what if this, what if that, what about this, what about that. give me a break and get real. please, stay on maui and don't criticize the department that you've always aspired to be a part of. another reason for SHOPO to break away from everyone. you don't deserve the benefits of HPDs bargaining power.
Just for your info, Hana Maui is where my ISP is. It is not my physical location. So your badmouthing of Maui County PD is for naught.
There were other places that the stop could be made. Stop your bellowing about ideal places. In a perfect world there wouldn't be police because there wouldn't be crime.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
xxxx

Honolulu, HI

#153 Nov 5, 2009
armchair quarterback wrote:
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i'd be shame to brag to have 20+ years on maui and claim to be an expert on tactics. same thing as beat 784 for 20+ years, but no one from HPD would stay there for that long... even if one did, they wouldn't brag about being tactical experts. you must be the jewel of your department.
i'm jealous... no, not for you, but because we don't have krispy kreme on oahu.
784? Wasn't that 94, where Rogelio Mata was assigned?
What do you have against Maui PD? There are alot of good hard working officers in that Department. I'd like to see you on Molokai or Lanai with limited cover trying to do your job with your bad attitude.
If you are Blue, you're a disgrace to your brother and sister officers.
get real

Honolulu, HI

#154 Nov 5, 2009
xxxx wrote:
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I'm not sure about that.
I'm sure if it were YOUR jury, you'd like someone who checks out the evidence and makes an informed decision, rather than just somebody who is blood thirsty and just makes rash decisions.
I'll be standing by for all of your comments when something like this happens again, and an innocent person is wounded or killed.
Yeah, okay. Go stand on the side and wait. When the "S" hits the fan, then complain, whine, criticize, whatever to your hearts content. But until then S T F U!...and don't try to tell me that you are just trying to be an advocate in protecting rights for all of our sakes - including mine. If I need a lawyer, or the ACLU, I'll call you....but, don't hold your breath!
OMG

Honolulu, HI

#155 Nov 5, 2009
xxxx wrote:
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784? Wasn't that 94, where Rogelio Mata was assigned?
What do you have against Maui PD? There are alot of good hard working officers in that Department. I'd like to see you on Molokai or Lanai with limited cover trying to do your job with your bad attitude.
If you are Blue, you're a disgrace to your brother and sister officers.
Lanai/Molokai? lol, nothing to do there but catch visiting hunters for speeding!
xxxx

Honolulu, HI

#156 Nov 5, 2009
get real wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, okay. Go stand on the side and wait. When the "S" hits the fan, then complain, whine, criticize, whatever to your hearts content. But until then S T F U!...and don't try to tell me that you are just trying to be an advocate in protecting rights for all of our sakes - including mine. If I need a lawyer, or the ACLU, I'll call you....but, don't hold your breath!
I'm sure a yappy coward like you would stand on the side and wait for someone else to help. I will go and try to save some lives.
Forfeited Right to Live

Mililani, HI

#157 Nov 5, 2009
xxxx wrote:
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Well, thanks for letting all of us know who we don't want on the stand testifying on our behalf.
So, you admit that you knew how dangerous the suspect was, and yet, you STILL decided to take him down in an area crowded with innocent civilians?
That seems to be a lack of tactical planning to say the least.
Your remark about the rapidity of the unfolding of the situation doesn't help either. Are you saying that control was lost because things were happening too fast? That doesn't bode very well.
You are correct about the investigation though. It will be whitewashed and some of the guys involved will end up with Bronze, or maybe even Silver Warriors.
The only mistake the officers made was in not killing him.
Forfeited Right to Live

Mililani, HI

#158 Nov 5, 2009
xxxx wrote:
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Cars are dangerous, and can be used as weapons...so why are cops constantly stepping in front of cars that are operated by people who the cop knows is a menace to society?
A judge in California ruled against the prosecution when they brought up attempted homicide charges on a scum suspect who tried to run over a CHP officer, because the officer stepped in front of the vehicle. The judge felt that the officer , with prior knowledge of the danger of the suspect, put himself into a dangerous situation, that a normal, sane person would have avoided. This probably says more about the mentality of the judge, but he does make a point. What can be accomplished by placing your body in front of a 2-3,000 lb. piece of moving metal?
Other than you getting badly injuried, or dead?
It gives you an excuse to shoot and kill the mothaf**ker. Bless that officer, but next time - no miss,'kay?
Forfeited Right to Live

Mililani, HI

#159 Nov 5, 2009
daniwitz13 wrote:
Someone needs to take the real law side. The punishment for stealing is not death (or shot). This has nothing to do if he's good or bad, right or wrong, angel or devil. This is excessive force. He was trapped in, but naturally still trying to get away. His intent and actions point to getting his car out of there, not to run over the police,(their favorite choice of words). Police are never to shoot unless their life is in danger AND not to endanger others. To fire into a moving car with others in it is highly irregular. What if it was his girl friend? What if it was his daughter? What if was a baby? What if a ricochet bullet hit one of the many bystanders? What if it was YOU.
Kill 'em all already. We need to cull these dregs from society. They aren't just worthless but harmless - they hurt everyone else, and try to pull us all down. Give the roach motel treatment, a one-way ticket to worm food.
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#160 Nov 5, 2009
If I have one criticism of how HPD handled this, it would be that they didn't use 12 guage shotguns.
Jam

Kaneohe, HI

#161 Nov 6, 2009
Sure doesn't sound like you had 20 years in, but it seems like you didn't make it to 25 for a good reason.
If you were one of the men in blue, can you honestly say that every stop or contact you made was tactically perfect? What world do you live in?! Must be a place of fantasy! Please wake up and look around.
xxxx wrote:
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No, why would I do that?
I'm not sure how you can equate a beautiful sunset, be it rain or shine, with something as horrific as shooting another human being (whether they deserve it or not)...if you are a normal human being even if you're right in shooting, you still live with what you've done for the rest of your life.
If I see something wrong, I am going to speak up and take action.
It is far better than not doing anything and not correcting the wrong.
And no, I don't have a sad life, I have a very happy one, and part of the reason is that I've been given the blessing of being able to save lives and help people during my time on the road.
Jam

Kaneohe, HI

#162 Nov 6, 2009
Paul Kersey wrote:
Another thing this crime infested island needs. Preemptive death squads ( no shortage of career criminal targets) Thats a gov't program I could endorse.
You should apply for that position if there ever is one, but I'd bet that you don't have what it takes to pull the trigger.
Jam

Kaneohe, HI

#163 Nov 6, 2009
get real wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm??? Seems by the judging of your post, there are some who disagree with you and claim you are a clueless nutcase that is somewhat amusing at best. Sorry about your situation though. Hope that you're able to get off the streets soon.
come on "get real", xxxx has as much tactical training as a security guard at Pearlridge.

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