Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editor...

Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials

There are 110 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 9, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

What happened to the spirits of aloha and ohana? As an isolated island the unique quality of a caring attitude seems to be fading in our representatives.

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common cents

Kihei, HI

#83 Nov 9, 2009
You don't have to have millions and millions of people to have high transit ridership, just density. Honolulu has one of the highest bus riderships of any "non-rail" municipality so people here will use rail, as they do in Chicago. Why don't you do your own research and find out? And what does this have to do with Chicago, Farmington, Kihei or Paris? Except for Frenchy, you all sound like Tea Party-ers who blow in to disrupt town hall meetings.
wendell

United States

#84 Nov 9, 2009
common cents wrote:
<quoted text>I'm really getting tired of this spin on the facts. San Francisco is the 12th most populous city in the United States, with a 2008 estimated population of 808,976. The city and county of Honolulu is our nation's 11th largest with an estimated population of 905,034. And this does not account for the defacto population of military and visitors on the island. I bet you still doubt Obama is a US citizen and the public option means "death panels"?
I said SF BAY AREA, not the city itself. BART, Caltrain and ACE train run all over it.

If BART only ran in SF, the city, it'd ruin its budget.

Talk about spin.
wendell

United States

#85 Nov 9, 2009
common cents wrote:
You don't have to have millions and millions of people to have high transit ridership, just density. Honolulu has one of the highest bus riderships of any "non-rail" municipality so people here will use rail, as they do in Chicago. Why don't you do your own research and find out? And what does this have to do with Chicago, Farmington, Kihei or Paris? Except for Frenchy, you all sound like Tea Party-ers who blow in to disrupt town hall meetings.
BART in the SF "Bay Area" averages 356,000 exits (their stat for ridership) per day. It piles up about $650 million in operating expenses a year, and fares only cover a little more than 50%. The rest of the kala comesf from sales and propery taxes.

What're the estimates for ridership and operational expenses for Oahu rail?
wendell

United States

#86 Nov 9, 2009
common cents wrote:
You don't have to have millions and millions of people to have high transit ridership, just density. Honolulu has one of the highest bus riderships of any "non-rail" municipality so people here will use rail, as they do in Chicago. Why don't you do your own research and find out? And what does this have to do with Chicago, Farmington, Kihei or Paris? Except for Frenchy, you all sound like Tea Party-ers who blow in to disrupt town hall meetings.
common cents,

When you have to resort to off-topic innuendoes, it generally means you lost the debate.

BTW, as another educational lesson for you, the isp does not mean the poster lives there. It's where the provider assigned it.

So your rant on Chicago is utter non-"cents".
Yes2Rail

Kihei, HI

#87 Nov 9, 2009
wendell wrote:
<quoted text>
common cents,
When you have to resort to off-topic innuendoes, it generally means you lost the debate.
BTW, as another educational lesson for you, the isp does not mean the poster lives there. It's where the provider assigned it.
So your rant on Chicago is utter non-"cents".
Wendell does have a point. Why waste your time arguing with people like this. The debate is over and settled on November 4, 2008 when voters approved rail. Let him rant all he wants, because two out of three, or best of seven only counts in sporting events.
BuildRailNow

Paris, France

#88 Nov 9, 2009
French Flag of Surrender wrote:
<quoted text>
See you in Paris, huh? Must be nice taking Honolulu tax payer cash mufi gave you to fund your little vacation, huh?
Tell the French they are a bunch of panties for not backing US up in Iraq.
They will believe you because, after all, you have the qualifications.
By the way, the pair you're wearing is too baggy. No throw'em away though, because it will fit your big "rail" head. Love that color too you added.
Go Green!
You're not making any sense, Frenchie.
wendell

United States

#89 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
<quoted text>Wendell does have a point. Why waste your time arguing with people like this. The debate is over and settled on November 4, 2008 when voters approved rail. Let him rant all he wants, because two out of three, or best of seven only counts in sporting events.
There's such a thing as buyer's remorse. Most of the posts I see here are have doubts on building rail, given the economy and state budget, and its related items like furloughs, UH cutbacks, etc.

Now the state reports tax collections down 11% for the first 4 months of the fiscal year, which is further down than the COR projected. Stiil want to go forth with rail now?

What if the economy never recovers to pre-2008 levels, but bumps along like now for the next 10 years? It's possible. It's not like there are new industries clamoring to set up shop in Hawaii.
Straphanger

United States

#90 Nov 9, 2009
If New York's got problems with the building of another subway line along 2nd Avenue, you folks are in for it. "Watch the closing doors"

In a time of trillion dollar bailouts and billion dollar deficits, does an expensive new subway line make sense when there are possibly cheaper alternatives? Jim Dwyer posed the question in his New York Times column, and although the Times doesn’t allow comments, Streetsblog does, and a number of transit buffs are in a tizzy.

The expensive project? The long awaited, oft derailed, Second Avenue Subway. The alternative? Bus Rapid Transit.

“If you just took the cost overruns for one year on any of the megarail projects, that would pay for a handsome bus rapid transit network,” says Joan Byron, from the Pratt Center for Community Development in the column.

Bus Rapid Transit makes better use of the roads for speedier commutes by dedicating lanes, using pay-before-boarding systems, and taking advantage of technologies such as wireless systems that communicate with traffic lights.
Yes2Rail

Kihei, HI

#91 Nov 9, 2009
Bus Rapid Transit, or BRT was hailed by the previous Harris administration as the "non-rail" solution. But once drivers found out it meant taking out traffic lanes for exclusive bus lanes, the BRT was doomed. As an odd side note, Slater and the anti-rail gang were against BRT, too. As for Wendell's "sky is falling" economic scenarios, most economists who know what they are talking about predict a recovery after 2010. So with rail and the jobs it creates, its an imediate stimulus and a win/win. Rail opponents have no alternatives for traffic reduction, jobs or accomodating future growth. But monku, monku, monku....
wendell

United States

#92 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
Bus Rapid Transit, or BRT was hailed by the previous Harris administration as the "non-rail" solution. But once drivers found out it meant taking out traffic lanes for exclusive bus lanes, the BRT was doomed. As an odd side note, Slater and the anti-rail gang were against BRT, too.

As for Wendell's "sky is falling" economic scenarios, most economists who know what they are talking about predict a recovery after 2010. So with rail and the jobs it creates, its an imediate stimulus and a win/win. Rail opponents have no alternatives for traffic reduction, jobs or accomodating future growth. But monku, monku, monku....
Aren't those "economists who know what they are talking about and predict a recovery after 2010" on the Council On Revenues, i.e. Brewbaker et al? Now why were they so far off on the first 4 months, a drop of 11% vs 1.5%? Do they give you a lot of confidence?

Or are you whistling in the dark past the graveyard?
fedupalready

Honolulu, HI

#93 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
Bus Rapid Transit, or BRT was hailed by the previous Harris administration as the "non-rail" solution. But once drivers found out it meant taking out traffic lanes for exclusive bus lanes, the BRT was doomed. As an odd side note, Slater and the anti-rail gang were against BRT, too. As for Wendell's "sky is falling" economic scenarios, most economists who know what they are talking about predict a recovery after 2010. So with rail and the jobs it creates, its an imediate stimulus and a win/win. Rail opponents have no alternatives for traffic reduction, jobs or accomodating future growth. But monku, monku, monku....
Yeah your property taxes and GET will be raised, raised, and raised. LOL
wendell

United States

#94 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
Bus Rapid Transit, or BRT was hailed by the previous Harris administration as the "non-rail" solution. But once drivers found out it meant taking out traffic lanes for exclusive bus lanes, the BRT was doomed. As an odd side note, Slater and the anti-rail gang were against BRT, too.

As for Wendell's "sky is falling" economic scenarios, most economists who know what they are talking about predict a recovery after 2010. So with rail and the jobs it creates, its an imediate stimulus and a win/win. Rail opponents have no alternatives for traffic reduction, jobs or accomodating future growth. But monku, monku, monku....
BTW, I forgot.

I did mention an alternative on another Letters' thread. Build another freeway, parallel to the H-1 or the rail corrider. I'll bet it'll cost less than $5 billion. What do you think? Got any cost estimates to compare with? Or just "monku"?
Dave

AOL

#95 Nov 9, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
The comments of the anti-rail faction here for the most part are despicable. If all you can do is rant and vent your hatred -- well, that's better than beating your wife and kids or kicking the cat, so go ahead and vent. We can handle it.
But you really have nothing of substance to say on the subject. The vast majority of Oahu's population supports construction of the rail system. We pro-rail commentators are here to bear witness to that fact and not cede this venue to the likes of you.
Build Rail Now !!
Well for one thing, the majority here do not want the rail. We weren't given that option on the ballot. That was a sham.
Not only can we not afford to build it, we cannot afford to substain it. You will have constant upkeep of it and the stations, you will have grafiti, parking security, trash, etc. You will be displacing many people and businesses, but that seems to be okay with you. How selfish.

Railroads work in cities built around them, not rails built around the cities.
IslandBoi

United States

#96 Nov 9, 2009
Isaiah Lee Chong is one of thousands who mistakenly think our school system needs more money to fix all the problems. Wrong answer. Only the HSTA/BOE/DOE/Third world union bosses believe that line of shibai. Truth is there is plenty of money from our taxes to cover all educational expenses. Well, after you eliminate all the fraud/cronyism/corruption/inco mpetance/etc, there is enough. I'm not paying one more cent in taxes to the bottomless pit our educational system has become. Let state auditor Marion Higa again show us the lost money and you can see how Pat Hamamoto hasn't got a clue how to fix the problems. Just another day in the little third world of Hawaii Nei.
Dave

AOL

#97 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
Bus Rapid Transit, or BRT was hailed by the previous Harris administration as the "non-rail" solution. But once drivers found out it meant taking out traffic lanes for exclusive bus lanes, the BRT was doomed. As an odd side note, Slater and the anti-rail gang were against BRT, too. As for Wendell's "sky is falling" economic scenarios, most economists who know what they are talking about predict a recovery after 2010. So with rail and the jobs it creates, its an imediate stimulus and a win/win. Rail opponents have no alternatives for traffic reduction, jobs or accomodating future growth. But monku, monku, monku....
The only jobs the rail will create are Union jobs and we know who will get them. They don't let just anybody get a job through them. They have to much nepotism to let outsiders in.
common cents

Kihei, HI

#99 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
<quoted text>Wendell does have a point. Why waste your time arguing with people like this. The debate is over and settled on November 4, 2008 when voters approved rail. Let him rant all he wants, because two out of three, or best of seven only counts in sporting events.
You are right. Maybe Governor Aiona will convert some of our highways to HOT lanes and Wendell will be happy. They can start with charging tolls on Kalanianaole and Pali highways, so it's maintained by user fees, not my tax dollars.
wendell

United States

#100 Nov 9, 2009
common cents wrote:
<quoted text> You are right. Maybe Governor Aiona will convert some of our highways to HOT lanes and Wendell will be happy. They can start with charging tolls on Kalanianaole and Pali highways, so it's maintained by user fees, not my tax dollars.
cents,

Are you not capable to debate using facts as a basis for your arguments for rail? And why would would I be "happy" with HOT lanes?

:-)
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#101 Nov 9, 2009
Yes2Rail wrote:
<quoted text>Wendell does have a point. Why waste your time arguing with people like this. The debate is over and settled on November 4, 2008 when voters approved rail. Let him rant all he wants, because two out of three, or best of seven only counts in sporting events.
lol! Voters did not approve rail. That option was never on the ballot.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#102 Nov 9, 2009
common cents wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. There were many votes to approve rail. A total five at the Honolulu City Council for selecting rail (fixed guideway) over buses and toll roads, then two more to select the first segment, which was via Salt Lake, then votes on technology which were at an impasse. Each of these council meetings were public hearings. The November ballot question before the electorate settled the issue of whether to build or not, and the technology. But tell me, what does rail have to do with Kihei? You are not paying for it because you don't live on Oahu and there are no state funds you pay that go towards rail. Infact, the Legislature takes 10% off the top for the general fund, so we Oahu residents are contributing towards your Maui state projects and programs. There were lots more votes on rail than the SuperFerry funding or the Lahaina By-pass highway, which we on Oahu partially funded. Geez, another example of uneducated opinions.
Half right. As I said, the issue of rail wasn't an issue at all.

The issue put before voters was what kind of rail. Rail itself was a done deal.

As for the HSF, I have no idea what you're talking about. That was a state issue between the governor, legislature and HSF.

I guess your education depends on what "snapshot" you want to use.
Jim967

Honolulu, HI

#103 Nov 9, 2009
Federal judge says no to stopping furlough Fridays.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/breaking/696...

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