HGEA workers agree to cuts - Hawaii News

HGEA workers agree to cuts - Hawaii News

There are 165 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 20, 2009, titled HGEA workers agree to cuts - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The Hawaii Government Employees Association has overwhelmingly ratified two-year contracts with the state and counties that include 42 days fewer workdays for most of its members.

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master baiter

Honolulu, HI

#145 Oct 21, 2009
Notdagov wrote:
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Yeah, I kinda thought "Perreira" was not an Asian name...
so if get one asian wife you gotta believe he like be mayor or governor
Poi

San Francisco, CA

#146 Oct 21, 2009
Notdagov wrote:
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Thank you! Also, Poi doesn't recognize the fact that Lingle and her cabinet members take home 6-figure salaries -- way more than the average state worker, way more than the average taxpayer, really. Plus Lingle gets free room, meals and car on the taxpayers' dollar. Everyone else gotta pay for their own meals, mortgage/rent, gas and auto.
Not only did I realize that. I said it in my post that you couldn't comprehend again.

The fact that you are jealous of the Governor's pay is why you notdaguv.

100K for being governor is terrible pay.

I will repeat for you. Plumbers and electricians make 100K all over Hawaii.

The Governor is not overpaid.

Thou Shalt not covet thy neighbor.
Poi

San Francisco, CA

#147 Oct 21, 2009
Show the proof wrote:
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And just what is your source that Hawaii state workers have the best benefits in the country? Site your source so that everybody can see and decide for themselves or your statement simply falls on deaf ears because it sounds just like an opinion. Another thing, you conveniently forget to mention is that pay may be higher for state workers here than in other states, but that higher pay is offset by the higher cost of living in Hawaii. One last thing, your statement "private sector employees accept far less in pay than the rest of the US is such a general statement that simply doesn't apply to all private sector employees. You are famous for making generalities in all of your posts which makes your credibility doubtful and on shaky ground.
Took me about 3 seconds to find one link to a 1998 article. Many others have been printed over the past 20 years but apparently, or I should say obviously since you can't read, you wouldn't know.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/specials/uni...

Let me guess. This isn't enough. Now you will whine that its not good enough.
Poi

San Francisco, CA

#148 Oct 21, 2009
Show the proof wrote:
<quoted text>Another thing, you conveniently forget to mention is that pay may be higher for state workers here than in other states, but that higher pay is offset by the higher cost of living in Hawaii.
Will you State, Federal and Union workers please shut up with your "cost of living" argument. Private workers all over Hawaii take less pay than their mainland equivalents and just suffer because that's their "price of paradise".

Why is it that Union workers have a right to earn more based upon the cost of living but Hawaiis non-Union workers do not.

Self greed is all.

That's why Unions are accurately described as extortionists for lazy people.
Really

Waipahu, HI

#149 Oct 21, 2009
Finally
Lillian Nero

Honolulu, HI

#150 Oct 22, 2009
Why don't we have a 1 or 2% state wide tax increase to prevent any more job layoffs. Isn't it better for people to be working and paying taxes than to be laid off and on welfare?
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#151 Oct 22, 2009
Lillian Nero wrote:
Why don't we have a 1 or 2% state wide tax increase to prevent any more job layoffs. Isn't it better for people to be working and paying taxes than to be laid off and on welfare?
That depends whether or not you're on welfare. Polititians and welfare people are the only ones that are receiving raises and aren't losing benefits such as medical and dental.
master baiter

Honolulu, HI

#152 Oct 22, 2009
k den done deal time to move on
another source of revenue for the state is the next project
good topic for debate amongst the candidates for governor
Thanks poi

Honolulu, HI

#153 Oct 22, 2009
Poi wrote:
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Took me about 3 seconds to find one link to a 1998 article. Many others have been printed over the past 20 years but apparently, or I should say obviously since you can't read, you wouldn't know.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/specials/uni...
Let me guess. This isn't enough. Now you will whine that its not good enough.
On the contrary, I'm very happy with my situation in life, especially after the favorable package that I received after the latest round of negotiations with the state over public worker furloughs. If there is anyone who should be accused of whining it is YOU. That's all you ever do whenever you bash unions, their members and their salaries/benefits. Obviously I can read. I'm reading your posts aren't I? The posts are written at an elementary reading level, but I tolerate reading them. Thanks poi! Your proof from your article just backs up my argument. According to the article that you graciously found and provided a link to, teacher's pay after factoring in the cost of living, ranks second to the last among the 50 states. In addition, the article continues that many teachers have poor working conditions...often teaching in classrooms that are in the 90's in temperature. I rest my case. Thank you for only helping strenghten my argument poi!
Poi

San Francisco, CA

#154 Oct 22, 2009
Thanks poi wrote:
<quoted text>According to the article that you graciously found and provided a link to, teacher's pay AFTER FACTORING IN THE COST OF LIVING, ranks second to the last among the 50 states. I rest my case.
Of course you would totally ignore my warning and explanation as to why Union workers have no right to cry cost of living. The private sector non union workers who are often paid less than their mainland equivalents can't do it.

So why should you?

Because you are a lazy, selfish, leech who gains based upon your association with the corrupt monopoly of power held by the Plantation Asian Democrats for 5 decades now.

Enjoy your slop at the tax payers trough. Hope you're proud of your life. You couldn't handle the private sector.
Thanks poi

Honolulu, HI

#155 Oct 22, 2009
Poi wrote:
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Will you State, Federal and Union workers please shut up with your "cost of living" argument. Private workers all over Hawaii take less pay than their mainland equivalents and just suffer because that's their "price of paradise".
Why is it that Union workers have a right to earn more based upon the cost of living but Hawaiis non-Union workers do not.
Self greed is all.
That's why Unions are accurately described as extortionists for lazy people.
There you go again...making general statements! Just which private workers are you referring to? The private executives making six, sometimes seven figures or the person working in an entry level position? You are quick to make generalities without specifics and without proof to back up your arguments. Public workers don't have a "right" to earn more than non-union workers. What public workers do have is the protection of the union from employers, employers who say do this and do that or it's out the door with you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out while you go looking for another job. Union protection is exactly why people want to belong to a union in the first place because they want to be able to provide for themselves and their families. Unions give us the ability to negotiate for a more favorable contract rather than facing the unemployment line at the first hint of unhappiness towards our employers. So, to put it simply so that you can understand, public workers are not lazy nor are they greedy. They have a union that will fight hard to keep working conditions and compensation favorable for it's members. Again, thanks poi for always proving my point!
Thanks poi

Honolulu, HI

#156 Oct 22, 2009
Poi wrote:
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Of course you would totally ignore my warning and explanation as to why Union workers have no right to cry cost of living. The private sector non union workers who are often paid less than their mainland equivalents can't do it.
So why should you?
Because you are a lazy, selfish, leech who gains based upon your association with the corrupt monopoly of power held by the Plantation Asian Democrats for 5 decades now.
Enjoy your slop at the tax payers trough. Hope you're proud of your life. You couldn't handle the private sector.
News flash. I'm a taxpayer to. As for laziness? I'm typing this during my lunch break and I'm going back to work now unlike you who is spending his day reading posts and typing opinions. I'm hard at work, which is more than I can say for you. I can handle the private sector and more. You know nothing about me and never will. Besides, how do you know that I didn't originally come from the private sector? Hmmm? hehe.
Poi

San Francisco, CA

#157 Oct 22, 2009
Thanks poi wrote:
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Union protection is exactly why people want to belong to a union in the first place because they want to be able to provide for themselves and their families. Unions give us the ability to negotiate for a more favorable contract rather than facing the unemployment line at the first hint of unhappiness towards our employers.
Sorry, if you don't like your job, shut up, quit and go start your own company.

Unions were absolutely vital 100 years ago when one large industry, like sugar, controlled 90% of the jobs in one town. That put too much power in the hands of management.

But today, in a large diverse economy, Unions are mererly extortionists for lazy people. They get, via political slime or vicious threat, higher wages than they would receive in the private sector.
Curious

Kahului, HI

#158 Oct 23, 2009
Can someone please clarify the terms of the contract for the University of Hawaii HGEA workers? Not UHPA. I read that their contract has a 5% pay cut and three weeks of "administrative leave" during Christmas, New Year and Spring Break. Administrative leave is paid. Does that mean that they are getting three weeks PAID leave in addition to their regular vacation time and only a 5% reduction in pay? How is this fair to the other state workers?
Too funny

Ewa Beach, HI

#159 Oct 23, 2009
Poi wrote:
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Sorry, if you don't like your job, shut up, quit and go start your own company.
Unions were absolutely vital 100 years ago when one large industry, like sugar, controlled 90% of the jobs in one town. That put too much power in the hands of management.
But today, in a large diverse economy, Unions are mererly extortionists for lazy people. They get, via political slime or vicious threat, higher wages than they would receive in the private sector.
Poi you're too funny! You hear but you don't listen! I told you I enjoy my job. Now why would I want to quit my career and go start my own company? Maybe that's a dream job of yours, but not me. I would rather stay right where I am and do what I am doing, thank you very much. I'd rather you keep paying my salary! I like that arrangement! I have to hand it to you poi. You're consistent. Consistently insistent on making generalizations about people and consistently wrong. You paint all public workers with a broad brush, and make a statement and expect it to be true, which it isn't. You whine, whine, whine and you know where that gets you? NOWHERE. The contract has been ratified, it's over, but all you do is rant and rave about how private sector employees have it harder than public sector ones, how they should've taken a pay cut instead of furloughs, how public employees are not making any sacrifices. GROW UP. Everybody has it hard. EVERYBODY. Not just YOU. The world doesn't revolve around you. Never has. Never will.
Private is better

Kahului, HI

#160 Oct 27, 2009
Bottom line, union greed has chosen self-interest over the children's welfare. Spin it anyway you want, you will always have to deal with that fact.
union

Honolulu, HI

#161 Oct 27, 2009
we are here to stay.
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#162 Oct 27, 2009
We need strong unions in America, it's the only thing that prevents organized slavery.
union

Honolulu, HI

#163 Oct 28, 2009
if it weren't for unions we'd all have the wonderful benefits the illegal migrant workers have today.
stormy

Honolulu, HI

#164 Oct 29, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
We need strong unions in America, it's the only thing that prevents organized slavery.
wot! you mean to tell me that your rank and file are slaves of the union???
come on, you gotta be kidding right? pay dues, get nothing back except furloughs and still have to pay dues. sounds like slavery to me.
btw, that ball and chain around your ankle, it's called union dues.

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