HPD program teaches law basics, discipline

JAMM AQUINO / JAQUINO@STARBULLETIN.COM During the Honolulu Police Department's Law Enforcement Explorers Program training class last month, student Jessica Lee, left, and police officer Chad Hironaka pinned ... Full Story
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David

Tustin, CA

#1 May 10, 2008
Does it teach them how to beat up suspects, lie in their reports, force 'tutes to perform services on them in the alleys on Hotel Street, force people they don't like to "bob" for frogs behind Waikiki Shell, moonlight as security for illegal gambling houses, break into houses in Hawaii Kai, steal from the evidence rooms and resell evidence drugs, lie on their time cards and travel vouchers, hang out with known organized crime figures on their off time, commit perjury, drive drunk and be completely prejudice too or does that come in a separate course later?
Whaaat

AOL

#2 May 10, 2008
Have some issues David? The story is about the explorers, not about your perception of the police. Have you gotten in trouble before, David? Need a group hug, David?
David

Tustin, CA

#3 May 10, 2008
Perception - No, everything I said is the truth and documented fully in the public record. There is a far more that is not.

I have never been in trouble and do not need a hug....i just don't like crooked police officers and institutionalized criminal behavior within police departments, and Hawaii has both, I am sorry to tell you.

If you would explore the files of some the officers within the department you would not want any young person you know exploring anything to do with them, and I have been in the unfortunate position of doing just that.

Thanks for the offer for the hug, however.
Casual Observer

Koloa, HI

#4 May 10, 2008
David wrote:
Does it teach them how to beat up suspects, lie in their reports, force 'tutes to perform services on them in the alleys on Hotel Street, force people they don't like to "bob" for frogs behind Waikiki Shell, moonlight as security for illegal gambling houses, break into houses in Hawaii Kai, steal from the evidence rooms and resell evidence drugs, lie on their time cards and travel vouchers, hang out with known organized crime figures on their off time, commit perjury, drive drunk and be completely prejudice too or does that come in a separate course later?
Wow David- you said a mouthful... of excrement that is. While you are at it, why not attack sports, education, politics, the clergy and religion, the entertainment industry, and any other venue where one of its members breached the public trust by not living up to their calling. You must be one of those poeple that never found your name on "the list". I wonder how long your rap is, or how many times you took the police exam and never was selected )probably failing during the the psych eval stage) You remind me of Robert Duvall's character in "Slingblade", confined to your armchair mutering incoherencies related to a dissapointing life probably filled with dark secrets.

The Police Explorer Program is not unlike scouting or any program designed to give young people a closer view of the adult world and a chance to grow and improve themselves through their learning experience. Get a life David, keep your forked tongue and poison pen to yourself or confine your comments to Irvine, CA. We don't need you here.
Brother K

Koloa, HI

#5 May 10, 2008
HPD is during a superb job. Let me remind you guys you are the LAW and uphold strict regulations. Believe me folks each one of us sin(do wrong and make mistakes)but with out the the LAW we should all be thrown in a thresher. We like to point, we like to accuse, or what ever, but we fail to train and discipline our young ones, as the HPD is during. Have fun, Brother K.
klo

Honolulu, HI

#6 May 10, 2008
David,
My man you sound bitter. Couldn't get in, huh? The written test get you or was it the backround checks. Its alright the job isn't for everyone.
By the way those classes above you mentioned are not offered anymore. A course that is and is right up your alley "Dealing with a-holes and idiots" Get a clue.
David

Tustin, CA

#7 May 10, 2008
Casual Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow David- you said a mouthful...
I am sure it would be far more comforting to you if I was wrong about any of the proven and well documented things that I said and you were right about any of your speculation about me, but the exact opposite is true.
The other professions you mentioned could certainly be attacked as well, but they are not paid by the people to maintain their integrity.
Do little research about your great P.D., and see if you want your son or daughter being a part of their scout program.
Ay La policia

AOL

#8 May 10, 2008
I've seen the explorers at functions. And I've seen them helping out with parking at some events. They look cool and I bet the police appreciate the help.
David

Tustin, CA

#9 May 10, 2008
klo wrote:
David,
Couldn't get in, huh? The written test get you or was it the backround checks.
If that would have been the case, which it was not, it would have been the low pay, that requires officers to work part time jobs just to raise a family outside of poverty that would have kept me out.

God bless the majority of those that do it, sadly in Hawaii, many take another route.
Cuz

Kailua Kona, HI

#10 May 10, 2008
David,

Get off the dope. You will enjoy life much better being clear headed and sober.
Casual Observer

Koloa, HI

#11 May 10, 2008
David wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure it would be far more comforting to you if I was wrong about any of the proven and well documented things that I said and you were right about any of your speculation about me, but the exact opposite is true.
The other professions you mentioned could certainly be attacked as well, but they are not paid by the people to maintain their integrity.
Do little research about your great P.D., and see if you want your son or daughter being a part of their scout program.
I don't need comforting from you about HPD- I also don't need to do more research about HPD- A 2000 officer department is bound to have officers who make the news in a bad way. However, as is the case with most posts such as yours, you make sweeping generalizations about something I am sure you have not personally experienced (as in being a police officer yourself) Not all police officers work a second job, and believe me, with most people who take the job it isn't all about the money. One can earn a respectable wage at HPD salary rates (although the rates are about $1000 a month off scale with comparable Mainland departments). What doesn't get reported is the overwhelming high quality service provided by HPD- why? Because that is their job, and as a general rule, is not newsworthy because that is what is expected and what is overwhelmingly provided. I would rather have my children in the Explorers program then under your tutelage to be taught to get ahead by holding those in front of you back, or tripping those passing you, or any other low achiever tactic to increase the value of such mediocre performance. It is such much easier to tear something down then build something up. But then again, how would you know that? Keep your comments in Irvine.
Casual Observer

Koloa, HI

#12 May 10, 2008
Oh, one more thing David- The clergy and religion are not "paid" to maintain their integrity? Or politicians? Or members of the press (part of the entertainment industry) And the education? All of these have some form of integrity expectations. Period- that is a fact. Get YOUR facts straight.
Prince of the City

Honolulu, HI

#13 May 10, 2008
David, the next time you need police services, make sure you tell the 911 operator your opinions of police officers. That way, the the call taker will relay that to the radio operator who will then in turn relay that to the responding officer(s). At least the officers will know to take their time finishing their lunch, take their time taking a crap, and then slowly driving to your case... arriving after the medics have treated you (dead?) and the suspect(s) are long gone. In fact, I know you wouldn't call for help. You have too much pride to call for help from those you hate so much.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#14 May 10, 2008
HPD is overpaid for their inability to prevent or solve crimes. They are an outrage.
David

Tustin, CA

#15 May 10, 2008
Prince of the City wrote:
David, the next time you need police services,
Yourself and casual observer or obviously employed by HPD because everything I said was true and accurate......appropriate that you think you are the "prince of the city", this entitlement you think you have been given with your job is exactly what leads to the problems I mentioned. You are not a prince of the city, your are a civil and public servant, who should not use the threat of "no police help" in time of emergency as something that is yours to offer or not to offer, depending on weather someone shares pure facts about your organization. You think you are princes of the city because of your badge and the corruption that protects you and that is the problem.

And hey, I have speak from irvine, if I were in hawaii you would come find me and threaten me or worse, you already told me you would not serve me as a member of the public if I were being murdered, just for telling documented truth here. Thats good police, thanks.

alice

Honolulu, HI

#16 May 10, 2008
David is sapient and bold is speaking the truth. No one here takes HPD seriously. They are an outrage and way overpaid.
klo

Honolulu, HI

#17 May 10, 2008
David you stated you were in the unfoutunate position of perusing officers personal files, Hmmm, That would mean you are a Doctor(nah can't be), Psycologist (MAYBE) or better yet a LAWYER (YUP thats it). Which one is it DAVID.

It is clear that your backround taints your opinions of the P.D.Just like my backround taints my opinion of people like you. I dont dispute the facts, I been around to see alot of them, but in every profession there are bad apples. The problem is when you lump all officers into that catagory you come across to others including myslf, as a fool.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#18 May 10, 2008
no klo..David spoke the truth. HPD needs to take a hard look at its poor performance and do something about it.
WhatsGoingOn

Kailua, HI

#19 May 10, 2008
It was a police officer who recognized that Ron Menor was drunk when he was driving his van.

Thank you officer! You alone took a very dangerous driver off our roads.

Let's count on this program teaching these kids how to spot these drunks befor they kill more people.

Now it's time for our judges to have a similar program to spot lawyers lying before they get these criminals off.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#20 May 10, 2008
quite true.

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