Rail transit: Elevated train promises...

Rail transit: Elevated train promises Honolulu a better future ...

There are 85 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 1, 2009, titled Rail transit: Elevated train promises Honolulu a better future .... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Even Gov. Linda Lingle says she will "take her time" studying the environmental impact statement before signing off.

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huh

San Diego, CA

#1 Dec 1, 2009
"Look behind the 'cool, professional words' of the Draft EIS: It says that you ....."

wow, that freudian slip-up sums it up for sure
Kalli

Mililani, HI

#2 Dec 1, 2009
Now Hannan, how can you be a Ph.d candidate and not understand basic transportation issues. Rail will not solve traffic congestion which is what you are promoting. It will be the most expensive rail system per capita ever built in the United States or the world. It will be 30 feet up in the air including 100 yard long transit stations, can you imagine what that will look like? Please don't patronize that you are helping the residents of Ewa when in Ewa Beach the city council didn't even bother giving us a transit station so I guess they don't feel any sympathy for us.
You need to go back to school for a change of major, transportation isn't something you are capable of.
Common Sense

Kahului, HI

#3 Dec 1, 2009
You can write all the editorials you want on the rail as it really doesnt matter. Quite simply put it will never be built (thank goodness) as it will be stopped by the lack of federal funds, and numerous challenges by various enviromental groups etc in our court system. The elevated rail is the most insane public works project ever dreamed up by a bunch of pro development and union thugs...
Islandboi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#4 Dec 1, 2009
Hannah Miyamoto must be part of the Mufster's paid rail support staff to talk all this shibai and not put out one supporting reference that can be verified. Basically she is the Mufster's mouthpiece, promised a job if he makes it to "Da Gov." Yeah, like that will ever happen. Hannah, next time you talk, give proof to back up what you say. Anyway, just more shibai about the the Mufster's Choo Choo.

Since: Nov 09

Kula, HI

#5 Dec 1, 2009
Hannah Miyamoto wasted all that education opportunity if she believes that our proposed rail system will alleviate traffic. Hannah, check with the Mayor on that one, he's already abandoned that argument and is now up to reason #3.
And as pointed out by another forum participant, rail doesn't go to Ewa, the council member for the area sold those folks out and agreed to put the station in an empty field for a favored developer, who by the way wants to build a development that will compound the trafic problems out of that part of the island.
And as a member of the Sierra Club, surely Hannah knows that some lawsuits will be forthcoming from that community once the EIS is released.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#6 Dec 1, 2009
Kalli wrote:
Now Hannan, how can you be a Ph.d candidate and not understand basic transportation issues. Rail will not solve traffic congestion which is what you are promoting. It will be the most expensive rail system per capita ever built in the United States or the world. It will be 30 feet up in the air including 100 yard long transit stations, can you imagine what that will look like? Please don't patronize that you are helping the residents of Ewa when in Ewa Beach the city council didn't even bother giving us a transit station so I guess they don't feel any sympathy for us.
You need to go back to school for a change of major, transportation isn't something you are capable of.
Kalli, you and your anti-rail friends continue to ignore the challenge we put to you: What is your alternative for commuters to avoid sitting in traffic each day, wasting thousands of hours and untold gallons of gas? That's what rail will be -- a way to completely avoid traffic while traveling across town.

Hannah has it exactly right; a cute little trolley isn't what will move tens of thousands of commuters quickly back and forth in our city.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#7 Dec 1, 2009
Islandboi wrote:
Hannah Miyamoto must be part of the Mufster's paid rail support staff to talk all this shibai and not put out one supporting reference that can be verified. Basically she is the Mufster's mouthpiece, promised a job if he makes it to "Da Gov." Yeah, like that will ever happen. Hannah, next time you talk, give proof to back up what you say. Anyway, just more shibai about the the Mufster's Choo Choo.
Islandboi, try focusing on the issues. You want a cute little trolley through town? Maybe Portland is for you. Fast, frequent and reliable transit is what this city lacks. You offer nothing but a mean-spirited put-down. Like that helps.
Islandboi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#8 Dec 1, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
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Islandboi, try focusing on the issues. You want a cute little trolley through town? Maybe Portland is for you. Fast, frequent and reliable transit is what this city lacks. You offer nothing but a mean-spirited put-down. Like that helps.
BuildRailNow, Obviously the Mufster is way over paying you to write comments supporting his choo choo, need to get this fixed. Do you really think this will be built on time, under budget and work efficiently every day? Are you on Maui Wowi? What public works project has ever been built this way? We can't even build roads right, the asphalt comes off in no time. No reason to waste tax payer's money on the Mufster's toys. This is just another Mufster money pit, just another day in the Nei.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#9 Dec 1, 2009
Islandboi wrote:
<quoted text> BuildRailNow, Obviously the Mufster is way over paying you to write comments supporting his choo choo, need to get this fixed. Do you really think this will be built on time, under budget and work efficiently every day? Are you on Maui Wowi? What public works project has ever been built this way? We can't even build roads right, the asphalt comes off in no time. No reason to waste tax payer's money on the Mufster's toys. This is just another Mufster money pit, just another day in the Nei.
Try focus on the issues, Islandboi, not your dismal vision of life around you. Yes, in time. Likely, under budget, Yes, will work efficiently. You obviously aren't a twice-a-day H-1 commuter. Otherwise, you'd be cheering for a way to completely bypass all that traffic. Try focus.
Kailuaresident

Kaneohe, HI

#10 Dec 1, 2009
Again, Islandboi is simply making accusations of people with no proof. And yes, I think the rail will be built on tome on budget. Name one project started udner Mufi that hasnt been. You cant.

Rail was wanted by the residents of oahu way before Mufi was on the scene. He just had the balls to make it happen.
Pat

Aiea, HI

#11 Dec 1, 2009
Stop this rail nonsense. It is unaffordable for Oahu.
Islandboi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#12 Dec 1, 2009
The Mufster's yes people are really hot today, posting positive rail comments as fast as the Muster will pay them. They fail to see the folly of this plan. Mufster has to pay his union bosses back, the long term rail program will be staffed with more union jobs than needed to operate, we will forever be paying for their bennies versus paying for efficient rail service. And FYI, I have spent time in Japan and Singapore riding their rail system, the gold class standard we can only dream of matching. We will never depart ontime, everytime as the Japanese do, never have spotless cars, no graffiti at the stations, on and on. We should strive for world class rail standards even if we know they are beyond our capabilities. PS: Example of the Nei's failure to use technology can be seen at the Oahu interisland terminal parking lot. Their is no machine to prepay your parking ticket for quick exit. Why not? San Diego has it. Leave SD terminal, pay parking ticket, walk to car, drive out fast exit lane, bypass those in line to pay ticket. Why not at Oahu? Can you say union controlled, backwards....... I knew you could
fedupalready

Honolulu, HI

#13 Dec 1, 2009
KailuaResident and BuildRailNow,

More of the same ole, same ole, and same ole again. Any new anti-railers jumped ship yet? Rail will not work because it's not multi-tasking what the car can do and locals need to that on a daily basis, you just don't get it. If locals have been sitting in traffic for the past 20 years, I'm sure they will continue to drive. More traffic you say? This is an island and we can't continue to over develop, so true population will increase but slowly. Keep up your insanity comments it's fun laughing at them. You always ask for alternatives, we have given them, but you seem to have short memory or trying to read with both eyes closed.
realist

AOL

#14 Dec 1, 2009
You left out the future we have paying for this boondoggle. I as a property owner pay property taxes. I as a consumer pay the GE tax and the property taxes of all the businesses that get soaked in high tax rates for their expensive stores/offices. The future this writer leaves out is the high tax future that poor taxpayers will have in Honolulu. For me; forget the debt and high operational costs and stay with road improvements and traffic light sequencing.
Robin Hood

Honolulu, HI

#15 Dec 1, 2009
Look, Hannah Montana, you telling me we need to elevate a train in KAPOLEI through empty fields?
You gotta be kidding me.
Quit drinking the KailuaResident and BuildRailNow kool-aide. They are bought and paid for like all the rest of Mufi's shills and sheep.
Rail would be nice, if we could afford it. We can't. And if it went somewhere where people might actually use it, like to UH. Do you really believe the ridership numbers projected will be met? Look at what happened with the convention center - the projections were a total joke.
We also haven't seriously looked at how spending $5.5 minimum billion dollars could be put to better use and actually alleviate traffic.
Hannah, baby, don't believe the hype. Believe what you see.
observer

Kihei, HI

#16 Dec 1, 2009
fedupalready wrote:
KailuaResident and BuildRailNow,
More of the same ole, same ole, and same ole again. Any new anti-railers jumped ship yet? Rail will not work because it's not multi-tasking what the car can do and locals need to that on a daily basis, you just don't get it. If locals have been sitting in traffic for the past 20 years, I'm sure they will continue to drive. More traffic you say? This is an island and we can't continue to over develop, so true population will increase but slowly. Keep up your insanity comments it's fun laughing at them. You always ask for alternatives, we have given them, but you seem to have short memory or trying to read with both eyes closed.
If what you say is true, then residents of New York, Tokyo, Vancouver, San Francisco, DC, Atlanta, Denver and many other great cities don't multi-task, because they have rail systems and use them. If you have ever lived in a city with good public transit, you would see how it has become a daily routine. Just because we don't have rail now, doesn't mean we won't use it if it's available. It's this short sighted mentality that holds Hawaii back.
observer

Kihei, HI

#17 Dec 1, 2009
Robin Hood wrote:
Look, Hannah Montana, you telling me we need to elevate a train in KAPOLEI through empty fields?
You gotta be kidding me.
Quit drinking the KailuaResident and BuildRailNow kool-aide. They are bought and paid for like all the rest of Mufi's shills and sheep.
Rail would be nice, if we could afford it. We can't. And if it went somewhere where people might actually use it, like to UH. Do you really believe the ridership numbers projected will be met? Look at what happened with the convention center - the projections were a total joke.
We also haven't seriously looked at how spending $5.5 minimum billion dollars could be put to better use and actually alleviate traffic.
Hannah, baby, don't believe the hype. Believe what you see.
Robin, are you familiar with state and city planning policy? Those empty fields will be developed soon, because they are part of the secondary urban center. The large vacant parcel Waianae side of North-South road will be the new UH West Oahu. Those empty hillsides are the site of Makaiwa Hills subdivision, which will some day be like Hawaii Loa Ridge, with new executive homes. Never heard of the second city concept? Its been around for over 30 years, and that's why Kapolei is growing so fast. In 20 years, there will be 50,000 new homes and 40,000 new jobs in Kapolei. Ms. Miyamoto must be learning quite a bit getting her PhD.
Reasonable Minded

Wailuku, HI

#18 Dec 1, 2009
observer wrote:
<quoted text>If what you say is true, then residents of New York, Tokyo, Vancouver, San Francisco, DC, Atlanta, Denver and many other great cities don't multi-task, because they have rail systems and use them. If you have ever lived in a city with good public transit, you would see how it has become a daily routine. Just because we don't have rail now, doesn't mean we won't use it if it's available. It's this short sighted mentality that holds Hawaii back.
A line from Kapolei to downtown strikes me as very different from a line in metro NY or SF. Unless, of course, the plan is to eventually overdevelop the areas around the Kapolei to downtown line so it looks like metro NY or SF.
Formerly Undecided

Mililani, HI

#19 Dec 1, 2009
observer wrote:
<quoted text>If what you say is true, then residents of New York, Tokyo, Vancouver, San Francisco, DC, Atlanta, Denver and many other great cities don't multi-task, because they have rail systems and use them. If you have ever lived in a city with good public transit, you would see how it has become a daily routine. Just because we don't have rail now, doesn't mean we won't use it if it's available. It's this short sighted mentality that holds Hawaii back.
Simply put, these cities have the population and tax base to support it. Honolulu does not.
Mike

United States

#20 Dec 1, 2009
Our leaders are making lots of money by extending the duration on this project.

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