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Pauls Valley Trespasser

Pauls Valley, OK

#1 Feb 17, 2010
Trespassers Beware!

On the early afternoon of February 16, being a nice day, I decided to walk the four blocks from my home to Homeland Pharmacy to pickup my prescription medication. As I walked south to the end of East Coffee Ave. and to the well-worn short-cut trail across the railroad tracks, a train approached. I saw it was a rather long train so as I crossed Earl St., I decided to wait for the passing train at the edge of the street at the beginning of the trail. As I watched the passing train, a Pauls Valley City Police car pulled up to me and stopped. I turned to greet the officer, who I assumed just wanted to have a friendly chat on such a pleasant day. He asked me if I was just train watching or if I intended to cross the tracks there. A little confused by the question, I answered I was going to cross after the train passed. The officer advised me that if I continued across the tracks at that location, he would have to consider that a trespass! He further stated I was required to walk the block down to the "public" street crossing to avoid the trespass charge.

With total shock, I pointed to the VERY well worn path that has been used for years as the short-cut access to all the stores and businesses on the south side of the railroad tracks. The officer just said he had been instructed to enforce the trespass law regarding all pedestrian railroad crossings. I looked at the officer in total disbelief waiting for him to reveal the joke when it became apparent he was serious. Many comments entered my mind at that time, all of which would have led to an unpleasant confrontation which I would have undoubtedly been the loser, so I simply started the extra block walk to the "proper" crossing area.

Many people cross at this location every day, so if indeed this is an issue our law enforcement deems important, we have a major criminal trespassing problem here in Pauls Valley. Perhaps however it is just a case of police boredom. Had that officer driven the four blocks down to the intersection of East Ave, Coffee Ave, Locust Street and Jefferson he might have caught one of the many speeders that regularly run the stop sign there endangering the many children in this area. If that same officer had looked at the parking lot at Homeland grocery, he would have seen one of the many in this area who regularly drive on the “donut” spare which is not only illegal, it is dangerous to all drivers on the same road. Instead of working to reduce crimes and violations that have a real impact on the public safety, this officer chose to force one old man to walk several blocks out of his way (bad back and all) so he could prove to this potential lawbreaker he was doing his job. As a final hedge against officer boredom, maybe a severe budget cut would help. Fewer bored cops cruising around would mean the ones left would perhaps have time to concentrate on REAL crime enforcement and evoke a small amount of common sense in the process.

Finally, if in fact, the trespassing law IS a real concern to law enforcement in Pauls Valley, we need to install a proper pedestrian crossing at this location. The well established trail shows the apparent need for a “legal” crossing and the trespassing crime reduction will more than justify any cost. Otherwise, place barriers and signs clearly stating the law and warning all unsuspecting trespassers. This would relieve law enforcement the need of a 24/7 patrol and surveillance of this high crime area.
Col Klink

Secaucus, NJ

#2 Feb 24, 2010
hi
Capt Robert

Secaucus, NJ

#3 Feb 24, 2010
I'll get you.

Since: Feb 10

Pauls Valley, OK

#4 Apr 3, 2010
You might want to stop bashing law enforcement and thank them for keeping your rear-end alive. It takes a train going 45moh almost 1 1/4 miles to stop. you might want to check out this link http://www.citizensforrailsecurity.com/ you could have been arrested and jailed for tresspassing. The railroad has agreements with all police/sheriff's departments to watch railroad land and track. How dare you put the officer in a bad light, budgets have been cut, officers have not been replaced. The officer didn't "FORCE" an old man to walk out of his way, he "SAVED" that old mans life.

By the way, if you obey the laws then you'll have no worries about Officers when you see them.

People like you sicken me on a daily basis. Yes I am in the law enforcement field, but not in Pauls Valley, and yes we have railroad crossings in the area where I work.
Pauls Valley Trespasser

Pauls Valley, OK

#5 Apr 4, 2010
That is ONE for the diligent officer and about 50 against. Your COP mentality is glaring and you "sicken me" too! If you can't see the difference in proper law enforcement and bullying citizens, then YOU TOO ARE NOT SUITED FOR LAW ENFORCMENT! Common sense man!!!!!! Also, I was NEVER in ANY danger as I was more than 30 feet away from the tracks at the time of the incident.
I am in full support of any PROPER law enforcement officer, I just have a problem with LAW NAZIS!!

Since: Feb 10

Pauls Valley, OK

#6 Apr 4, 2010
The officer, by your own admission, saw you about to commit a crime (Trespass) and he stopped you from committing that crime in his sight. He saved you the cost of a citation, and you flame him and say that your crime was a lesser of the evils out there. Crime is crime, no matter what the severity. Did you look at the link I posted? The railroad can prosecute the charge of trespass at the district court and not municipal if they so wish and that would be even a bigger fine.

Not suited for law enforcement? Why is that, because I believe all laws should be enforced equally, or because I don't think like you? The fact of you being in danger or not is not the issue. The issue is that you don't believe the trespass laws apply to you. This WAS proper law enforcement, he warned you that you were about to commit a crime and let you have the option of taking a different route, rather than sit there and wait for the crime of trespass to be committed so he could cite, or even arrest you for it.

You might consider going on a ride along on the Friday or Saturday evening, it will really open your eyes to what police officers do in Pauls Valley.

By the way, I post as a member of "Citizens For Rail Security" here, not in my capacity in law enforcement.
kuddabeena contender

Quanah, TX

#7 Jan 4, 2011
cops have always been out of control.power hungry creeps are all the biggest majority of them are.they were bullied in school so they thought they would get even by becoming law enforcement.what a freakin joke most of them are.two many police academy movies i guess.
CALM DOWN HIGHTOWER
want to meet good honest cops,move to the inner city.
P.S. watcher,im sure anyone with a little age can cross the tracks by themselves.
Curious

Pauls Valley, OK

#8 Jan 7, 2011
According to the law, crossing the railroad tracks at any point other than at a marked crossing is illegal. I sure do hate those cops enforcing the law by not giving a ticket and not costing you anything other than a talking to. Fascist pigs!!! How dare they talk to you when you are clearly in the right!!! OPPRESSION!!!!
Pauls Valley Trespasser

Pauls Valley, OK

#9 Jan 8, 2011
It's about PRIORITIES! There is so much crap happening in this neighborhood (and it has been reported to the police) with absolutely NO police action. Yet they can take the time to enforce such a heinous crime. You can make and sell all the METH you want, just DON'T CROSS THOSE TRACKS!!!
A TINY bit of common sense would be so refreshing!
Pauls Valley Trespasser

Pauls Valley, OK

#10 Jan 8, 2011
Oh by the way, just so you know, I was a deputy sheriff for 9 years. I HAVE seen the good and the bad in law enforcement! So "Watcher111" and "Curious", you are blowing SMOKE!
Badge Number 7742

Eagle, CO

#11 Feb 5, 2011
Time will mellow a large number of these new law enforcers, if they stay in service. With a few years (in my case, 34) under their belts, they will learn "DESCRETION" in law enforcement. We are overloaded and do not have the jail space or the court system to handle "ALL Crimes". We must make the decision on which of the many crimes we see daily to go after. My time is taxpayer time and I personally strive to utilize it to maximize results. A “jaywalker” is NOT worth my time and effort when we have a rash of daylight burglaries to contend with. These younger officers will become “Tempered” with time so give them a chance to become seasoned and try to work to together WITH law enforcement to better us all. The vast majority of officers ARE dedicated individuals and it takes many years to learn the law enforcement vocation with all the ever-changing complexities. We NEED these officers in today’s society even if they are a bit “GUNG-HO” in the beginning because TRAINING made then that way, EXPERENCE will teach them when and where to “SERVE THAT HAMMER”!
Ageless Eldon

Eagle, CO

#12 Feb 11, 2011
Good Cops are worth their weight in GOLD!

Bad cops are worth their weight in dog crap.

We need more Golden boys and less turds!
jioth

Eagle, CO

#13 Feb 11, 2011
'opajh
Bubba

Carnegie, OK

#14 Mar 2, 2011
If you want to see cops out of control come to Carnegie. F--- our Police Chief's wife had warrants out for over 3 years and no one would arrest her. Cops control the drug trade and no one does anything about it.LOL
kuddabeena contender

Quanah, TX

#15 Mar 3, 2011
ever heard of quanah
Curious

Pauls Valley, OK

#16 Mar 17, 2011
Well if you were a deputy for 9 years, I guess that means you think you are still above the law. I guess since you were a deputy, then you only worked the most important cases. You could not bothered with piddly crap like you did without getting a ticket. Once again, Fascist pigs!!! How dare they talk to you when you are clearly in the right!!! OPPRESSION!!!! They should be out catching "real" bad guys not me!
Mountain Grown

Gypsum, CO

#17 Mar 22, 2011
As I read all of the posting here, I see where the vast majority of the "Judged" remarks are against "Curious" and "Watcher111". You two just keep driving that wedge between citizens and law enforcement - real smart. Cops NEED the support of the public but these kinds of comments will only make larger divisions. I guess where you guys live; it is "US" against "THEM" and damn proud of it!
Willie Granville

North Kingstown, RI

#18 Mar 23, 2011
Mountain Grown: Cops need to respect citizens since they want respect. I don't know if you live in Co., but back in 1999 I was pulled over in Byers,Co. the cop told me he knew I was on drugs (I offered a urine sample) he said he knew I had drugs in the car (search it) he said I know you are a drug dealer. Yes they done a whole lab test on the car, what did they find? NOTHING. Oh yea tore the hell out of my car. This WEDGE is being driven more by the cops that citizens, like me coming from Montana going to Texas. The dumb cops know drugs come from Mexico and go north. Oh yea I have a clean criminal record, when they saw that they should known then this guy is clean and just let him go home to Texas.
Mountain Grown

Gypsum, CO

#19 Mar 24, 2011
Hey Willie, it sounds like your Byers cop is now working in Oklahoma. A GOOD cop will earn your respect by his actions. The crap cops believe they "Deserve" respect simply by wearing a badge. Most departments do not do enough to cull out those "power tripping" S.O.B.s and it is bringing down all law enforcement. I have known several cops that were ace wife beaters and hard core alcoholics that were protected by their "brothers in blue". Two laws, one for us and one for the elite blue few!
Willie Granville

North Kingstown, RI

#20 Mar 25, 2011
Not only are they in Oklahoma they are in Georgia too. In 2002 I was pulled over in Dalton Ga., driving 62 in a 70mph zone on I75. The cop Chris Ware said my tags were expired. I told him my tags were right here on the windshield (the renewal plates). He wanted to know if I had a gun or drugs in the car? I said yes a rifle under the seat. I had 2 W.V. J.D. Clampett hillbillies riding with me, the cops told us to get infront of the car. As they checked our records out (I knew mine was clear) the hillbillies records came back as well. Ware wanted to look in the trunk. I opened it, he and officer Lee saw work cloths tool etc. The Hillbillies got their stuff out in the ditch showing officer Lee they had nothing to hide. Me a Ware were in between the two cars in a blind spot with the trunk up. CONTINUE

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