What we believe: Buddhist

Dec 24, 2007 Full story: Tri-cityherald.com 95

“I just started feeling that little niggling. I wasn't sure what I was looking for. I read (about Buddhist meditation), and said, 'Aha! I can do this! I like this!'”

Fran Eager is a practical woman. She's not the kind to have long debates about philosophy. via Tri-cityherald.com

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GRAR

Reno, NV

#1 Dec 24, 2007
Since when do Buddhist 'Pray'? Don't make Buddhism a religion, because it is absolutely NOT.

“Cherish all life”

Since: Dec 07

Delhi

#2 Dec 24, 2007
It all depends on how you describe religion. If you say that the belief in a Creator God is basis of religion, then there are a few faiths that would fail to be called religions.

Most people will not have a problem in calling Islam a religion. But even here questions are being raised. Shahid A. Choudhury writes in book "Sufism is not Islam" (1998, Regency Publications, page 25)... "Contrary to popular belief Islam and religion stand diametrically opposed to each other. In fact Islam is a challenge to religion". No wonder, there is in fact a book by name "Islam - A challenge to Religion" (C.A. Parwez, 19970, Islamic Book Service, New Delhi). The author writes "Islam is generally regarded as a religion (madhhab) whereas in fact it is not a madhhab but a din" (page 8). He says elsewhere "The concept of "religion " is a deliberate creation of minds of men devoted to the pursuit of self-interest. They aim was to enjoy themselves at the expense of others" (Page 19). On page 11 he says "It was to undo and break this vicious grip of madhhab, and to restoree din as an effective Code of Guidance that God sent his Rasul (Messengers) amongst men from time to time". He further states: "Madhhab is in fact the embalmed corpse of din". Din, he calls a "Way of Life" and Islam can therefore be compared with another "Way of Life" and not religion!

The statements made by these above authors clearly indicate one thing. I remember reading Arun Shourie (The World of Fatwas) where he designates Islam as a religion of externals. And that it does not have an esoteric element (with the exception of the Sufis whome fundametalist Muslims don't recoginse). These authors (Choudhury and Parwez) clearly imply that faiths with an "internal dimension" are religions as they only promote only a "SELF" (realization?) interest!!!!

I know Buddhism has a lot of internal dimension attached to him. Meditation is an integral part of Budhism. In that sense, these authors would consider Buddhism a "Madhhab" and Islam a "Deen". However, having said so, translators of the Quran have invariably translated the word "Din" as "Religion" (sometimes as "Way").(!!!)

When the Quran says "Lakum Deenukum Walya Deen" it is translated as "Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion". Here we see Allah himself recognizing other faiths also as "Deen"....!!!
Peregris

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Dec 25, 2007
GRAR wrote:
Since when do Buddhist 'Pray'? Don't make Buddhism a religion, because it is absolutely NOT.
I'm sorry, but where does the article say anything about prayer? I see "sit" and "meditate" and "practice," but nowhere do I see the word "pray?"
ALI BABA

West Richland, WA

#4 Dec 27, 2007
What is the difference between prayer and meditation. I really am frustrated with all religous fanatics!!!! Who seem to have a monopoly on the pathway to heaven,enlightment etc.. There has always been and always will be more than one way to get to arrive

“Cherish all life”

Since: Dec 07

Delhi

#5 Dec 27, 2007
Let us see what Swami Vivekananda had to say about Prayer and Meditation:

Prayers, ceremonials, and all other forms of worship are simply kindergartens of meditation.

Meditation is the means of unification of the subject and object.

Meditation is a sort of prayer and prayer is meditation.
Divine Alien

Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia

#6 Dec 27, 2007
What sort of substance does the Buddhist believe in?
Divine Alien

Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia

#7 Dec 27, 2007
Is there any gods in Buddhism?
Buddha

La Jolla, CA

#10 Jan 15, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
Is there any gods in Buddhism?
NO it specifically says in the Dharma that siddartha says he is not considered a god more like the sun and moon of day and night
sampuna

Malacca, Malaysia

#11 Jan 15, 2008
Buddhism has got NOTHING to believe. To 'believe' means to submit your intelect to a set of prescribed beliefs without question. There is no more value to the human intelect when beliefs are stomped into our heads by some 'great book'.

In Buddhism, the approach is rather different. There's a set of teachings,but a Buddhist will have to investigate into it to gain insight. In Pali,this method is called 'Ehipasiko'(Inviting one to see for oneself)

One is at liberty to doubt until the teaching unfolds itself during the course of one's practice.

The 'jhana'(a concentrated mental state)mentioned by the Buddha in the sutta can be proven through meditation.

The merits of keeping the precepts can be experienced by the practitioners.

“Cherish all life”

Since: Dec 07

Delhi

#12 Jan 15, 2008
sampuna wrote:
Buddhism has got NOTHING to believe. To 'believe' means to submit your intelect to a set of prescribed beliefs without question.
So there is no question of calling Buddhists as "believers" as we call Christians, Muslims, Jews and many other sects.
sampuna

Malacca, Malaysia

#13 Jan 15, 2008
NVK Ashraf wrote:
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So there is no question of calling Buddhists as "believers" as we call Christians, Muslims, Jews and many other sects.
on the lighter side,BUDDHISTS ARE 'NON-BELIEVERS':)
Tex

Eureka, CA

#14 Feb 4, 2008
sampuna wrote:
<quoted text>
on the lighter side,BUDDHISTS ARE 'NON-BELIEVERS':)
of what?
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#15 Feb 5, 2008
Tex wrote:
<quoted text>
of what?
Impossible for your state of mind to understand or to know of. Whenever you are ready to step out of your little tiny boxes after boxes...after boxes...after boxes...then it's still a long way for you to be able to understand.
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#16 Feb 5, 2008
NVK Ashraf wrote:
<quoted text>
So there is no question of calling Buddhists as "believers" as we call Christians, Muslims, Jews and many other sects.
Finally, u speak.
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#17 Feb 5, 2008
NVK Ashraf wrote:
Let us see what Swami Vivekananda had to say about Prayer and Meditation:
Prayers, ceremonials, and all other forms of worship are simply kindergartens of meditation.
Meditation is the means of unification of the subject and object.
Meditation is a sort of prayer and prayer is meditation.
Conclusions based on others' quotes which have no understanding of what so ever he is talking about? Let's say, u are a Muslim; even then, r u sure u understand your religion 100%?
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#18 Feb 6, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
Is there any gods in Buddhism?
...and from your other posts as well,
If we, Buddhists, answer all your questions regarding of the creating of Universal, Faiths, Beliefs, the exixting of God(s), etc., will these informations help you to escape from illness, aging, death, etc. at all?
“By ourselves is evil done,
By ourselves we pain endure,
By ourselves we cease from wrong,
By ourselves become we pure.
No one saves us but ourselves,
No one can and no one may,
We ourselves must tread the path,
Buddhas only show the way.”
-Buddha-
Divine Alien

Malaysia

#19 Feb 6, 2008
Eventhough one can answer all the questions, one will one day face the illness, aging, dying etc.

One may be able to slow down the processes by any means. Buddha is one way as well but you ought to believe in the divine creator, God. Buddha is not the creator so you miss one kind of stuff in your belief.
We cannot save ourselves without some grace from God.
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#20 Feb 6, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
Eventhough one can answer all the questions, one will one day face the illness, aging, dying etc.
One may be able to slow down the processes by any means. Buddha is one way as well but you ought to believe in the divine creator, God. Buddha is not the creator so you miss one kind of stuff in your belief.
We cannot save ourselves without some grace from God.
So, these are your responses? Don't you understand what I mean at all? Read my words carefully before you post.

BTW, dream on...the sweet dream of Servants of God.
Divine Alien

Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia

#21 Feb 7, 2008
Sorry my language is not that good but that is the way I interpret your thoughts seemed writtem perfectly by you supposed holy thought/mind. Please put it in a very simple term/phrase. No spiritual implication.
The Hunter

Cunningham, TN

#22 Feb 7, 2008
Sorry for my bitter post lately, too. I am not in anyway a holy thought/mind, what so ever, man as you thought. I, an atheist, was inspiring by the teaching of the Buddha in just months ago. Now, as a Buddhist, I am trying to learn, reading, practicing, and controlling my "guts".
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Simple, one of those, men created their own God. Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, etc. all claim that their God is the Only truth, the Only one, the Supreme one, the Creator, etc. If only one have to be real, so what are the others? Or they are all fake? Have you seen or heard from your God directly? Please don't tell me that you can feel him, or 'cause your Bible/Ko'ran said so. If Opera today announces she is a Goddess from above, then 500 years later there will be existed a religion call Operaism. Disagreements and ignorance of religions about their ideas of God have lead into horrible wars and deaths. I certaily don't need this kind of Faith or God in my life. I am who I am. I am who I will become.
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Many more things to say but rather stop from here,'cause I know you are who you are; no one can change you but yourselves, no one can and no one may.

Peace.

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