Bill would allow businesses to deny s...

Bill would allow businesses to deny service to homosexuals

There are 55 comments on the KVAL-TV Eugene story from Apr 25, 2013, titled Bill would allow businesses to deny service to homosexuals. In it, KVAL-TV Eugene reports that:

Several Republican lawmakers filed a bill Thursday seeking an exemption to the state's anti-discrimination laws just weeks after legal action was taken against a Richland florist who denied service to a gay couple for their upcoming wedding.

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TN Voter

Seattle, WA

#45 Nov 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
It's the last dying gasp of the sore losers......
This bill will go nowhere and just reaffirms how anti-gay most GOPasaurs still are.
Why have a bill... You liberal socialist are always making laws protecting gays, blacks, illegals, anti god, trying to ban arms, imposing law on my medical insurance.... Stay the phuck out of our lives... You bastards don't know what's best for me or my family... If I do not want to serve a gay or a black then that's my right to be that way... I think gays are sick perverts and I do not like them nor am I scared to tell how people how I feel... Wrong is wrong!!! Not up for debate bud!
TN Voter

Seattle, WA

#46 Nov 2, 2013
Another thing to all the rats who support the democrats... A few points here

Democrats say that they support unions but it's a fact that Obama and his senate continue to go after power plants and refineries.... Their 100% union... Washington state is shutting down its fossil plants and every employee and contractor. Is union....

Take a look at cities with the most strict gun laws... They are run by democrats yet some of these cities are more dangerous then Baghdad

Democrats say they support environmental protection so they shut industry down, jobs leave and the cities turn into an environmental catastrophe!! Detroit is a perfect example and so is Cleveland, Philadelphia, Bridgeport, Pittsburgh, Toledo... And I can name 10 more... Gary IN....

Obama told Dubya that the nations debt was un-American, but were at 18 trillion now.... So I guess that's patriotic then???

The democrats in Washington State said weed is now legal.... Yet they ban cigarettes... Ok, but any smoking is BAD for your health.... So I don't see why they go after smoking but they legalize weed.... Bass Ackwards... Phucking idiots I swear!!!

The democrats say that the healthcare bill is good and that they had to pass it before they read it!!! Well I read the gawd damn thing and it phucks the poor and those terrible middle class folks... You see the supporters of the Democratic Party are mindless useful idiots.... The rich support the health care bill and so does united healthcare... Hmmmmm wonder why they support it.... Oh I see... They make billions off the govt yet the govt is the taxpayer....

The democrats support welfare and food stamps... Why??? They control those folks!!! Use your head... C'mon think about it... Are the blacks better off??? Hell no... Generations have been on it and it keeps ya ignorant and down

Now I'm not a republicant either.... I'm a middle class 38 yr old tax payer with common sense... The republicans and democrats both keep the misinformed public divided as they both phuck us but the democrat supporters are too stupid to realize this and there are republicans that suck too, but they keep on getting elected....no I don't smoke weed but don't legalize it and then go after Marlboro.... Both are bad!!! People just need to use their damn heads

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#47 Nov 2, 2013
TN Voter wrote:
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Why have a bill... You liberal socialist are always making laws protecting gays, blacks, illegals, anti god, trying to ban arms, imposing law on my medical insurance.... Stay the phuck out of our lives... You bastards don't know what's best for me or my family... If I do not want to serve a gay or a black then that's my right to be that way... I think gays are sick perverts and I do not like them nor am I scared to tell how people how I feel... Wrong is wrong!!! Not up for debate bud!
Neither are public accommodation laws, "bud"!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#49 Nov 3, 2013
Ahh look how far we've come as a nation since 1958 and the movie "Auntie Mame" was released.

Based on the true life of the author during the '20's 30's and 40's the movie did a wonderful job in dealing with prejudice.

Who can forget the Upson's explaining to Mame their idea for a wedding gift of the property next door to them for Patrick and their daughter. The look on Rosalind Russell's face says it all as they explain it's currently 'unrestricted' and they don't want 'the wrong kind' moving in.

I've tried to find a YouTube of the scene or a transcript of the scene but no luck.

Fortunately I did find this:

"For my money, there are any number of memorable moments in Morton DaCosta's hugely entertaining film of his Broadway hit, "Auntie Mame."

Armed with a terrific script by Betty Comdon and Adolph Green (working from the stage original by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee) and abetted by his Broadway star, Rosalind Russell (plus the divine Coral Browne), DaCosta breezily swept his audience from one richly comic scene to another. There are umpteen of them in "Auntie Mame" and singling out one is near-impossible, but my hands-down favorite arrives late in the film when Russell's Mame Dennis pays a visit to her nephew Patrick's future in-laws, Claude and Doris Upson, at their Colonial-style manse in Mountebank (their signpost reads "Upson Downs"), described as being "right above Darien and completely exclusive and restricted."

"Exclusive to what and restricted to whom?," asks an annoyed, impatient Mame...."

http://thepassionatemoviegoer.blogspot.com/20...
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#50 Nov 3, 2013
TN Voter wrote:
Now I'm not a republicant either.... I'm a middle class 38 yr old tax payer with common sense...
Common sense? Nah.....

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#51 Nov 4, 2013
DNF wrote:
Ahh look how far we've come as a nation since 1958 and the movie "Auntie Mame" was released.
Based on the true life of the author during the '20's 30's and 40's the movie did a wonderful job in dealing with prejudice.
Who can forget the Upson's explaining to Mame their idea for a wedding gift of the property next door to them for Patrick and their daughter. The look on Rosalind Russell's face says it all as they explain it's currently 'unrestricted' and they don't want 'the wrong kind' moving in.
I've tried to find a YouTube of the scene or a transcript of the scene but no luck.
Fortunately I did find this:
"For my money, there are any number of memorable moments in Morton DaCosta's hugely entertaining film of his Broadway hit, "Auntie Mame."
Armed with a terrific script by Betty Comdon and Adolph Green (working from the stage original by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee) and abetted by his Broadway star, Rosalind Russell (plus the divine Coral Browne), DaCosta breezily swept his audience from one richly comic scene to another. There are umpteen of them in "Auntie Mame" and singling out one is near-impossible, but my hands-down favorite arrives late in the film when Russell's Mame Dennis pays a visit to her nephew Patrick's future in-laws, Claude and Doris Upson, at their Colonial-style manse in Mountebank (their signpost reads "Upson Downs"), described as being "right above Darien and completely exclusive and restricted."
"Exclusive to what and restricted to whom?," asks an annoyed, impatient Mame...."
http://thepassionatemoviegoer.blogspot.com/20...
I love the part where she is hanging on to a vicious horse for dear life.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#52 Nov 4, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
"There's a glaring lack of protection for religion in state law," she said
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Umm! Epic FAIL
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How do these soaring morons ever get elected to public office?
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First; there is the 1964 Federal Civil Rights Act which outlawed discrimination against racial, ethnic, national and religious minorities, and also women. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public; known as "public accommodations"
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Second; there is the 1948 United States Supreme Court Wall of Separation decision that provides absolute separation of religion from government nationwide:
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"We find that the basic Constitutional principle of absolute Separation was violated when the State of Illinois, speaking through its Supreme Court, sustained the school authorities of Champaign in sponsoring and effectively furthering religious beliefs by its educational arrangement."
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"Separation means separation, not something less. Jefferson's metaphor in describing the relation between Church and State speaks of a "wall of separation," not of a fine line easily overstepped. The public school is at once the symbol of our democracy and the most pervasive means for promoting our common destiny. In no activity of the State is it more vital to keep out divisive forces than in its schools, to avoid confusing, not to say fusing, what the Constitution sought to keep strictly apart. "The great American principle of eternal separation" -- Elihu Root's phrase bears repetition -- is one of the vital reliances of our Constitutional system for assuring unities among our people stronger than our diversities. It is the Court's duty to enforce this principle in its full integrity.
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We renew our conviction that:
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"we have staked the very existence of our country on the faith that complete separation between the state and religion is best for the state and best for religion."
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If nowhere else, in the relation between Church and State, "good fences make good neighbors."
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#53 Nov 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the first amendment, it's discrimination pure and simple. Much like the Southern business owners and their treatment of negroes into the 1960s the Bible thumpers used the same excuses. Didn't work then, won't work now. If you want to operate a commercial business you agree to serve whoever comes through your doors, you don't get to discriminate according to your beliefs.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#54 Nov 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.
Yeah... you expected Romney to win, as well.

I'm just curious, but what do you think 1st Amendment rights are? The right to use your religion as an excuse for ignoring State law? It doesn't work that way, but FUX NEWS watchers like you will just have to learn your lessons the hard way.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#55 Nov 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.
Every business fails under a legal category called "public accommodations" because they are open to the public for business. They must obey the laws that govern doing business.

Your claim that their religious rights were trampled and that they did not use religion to discriminate is similar to a drug dealer saying their right to free association is being violated and the state is unfairly interfering in his business practices when they get busted for selling drugs to your children!

Now go brush your tooth!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#56 Nov 4, 2013
OOPS:'falls' not "failed"

my bad

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#57 Nov 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.
Florists are subject to public accommodation laws, just like any other business.

It would be the right thing for the florist to stop being a bigot.
ann roberts

Benton City, WA

#58 Nov 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
It's the last dying gasp of the sore losers......
This bill will go nowhere and just reaffirms how anti-gay most GOPasaurs still are.
unfortunately, the christian woman who wrote this bill has won the senatorial race. she is a catholic. of course, i am sure she has the masses in mind when thinking of religious views.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#59 Nov 6, 2013
TN Voter wrote:
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Why have a bill... You liberal socialist are always making laws protecting gays, blacks, illegals, anti god, trying to ban arms, imposing law on my medical insurance.... Stay the phuck out of our lives... You bastards don't know what's best for me or my family... If I do not want to serve a gay or a black then that's my right to be that way... I think gays are sick perverts and I do not like them nor am I scared to tell how people how I feel... Wrong is wrong!!! Not up for debate bud!
Folks like you is why we have to beef up the laws
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#60 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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The florists aren't a State and are protected by their first amendment rights. I expect them to win in court. It would have been easier, and the normal thing to do, if the gays just went to another florist.
You don't have a legal leg to stand on; sugar
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Every business's license is displayed in plain view of every customer; as required by law
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The business license binds the business to public accommodation law

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