Moving to Florissant?
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Mickster

United States

#1 Nov 30, 2012
I am looking at moving to, and opening a small business in Florisant...near N. Linbergh and New Halls Ferry. I am looking for honest feedback on what it's liketo live and wrk there.
whatwasup

United States

#2 Nov 30, 2012
Your business will be a huge success of you make sure to have fried chicken and watermelon.
Shaniqua

United States

#3 Nov 30, 2012
whatwasup wrote:
Your business will be a huge success of you make sure to have fried chicken and watermelon.
You needs to be havin weaves and wigs too. And maybe some cell phones.
Mickster

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Dec 1, 2012
OK...so there are racists in Florissant. The demographics on multiple websites show a high majorit of wihtes. Are there an normal people besides tese two racists?
Moderate in Flo

Florissant, MO

#6 Dec 1, 2012
Why not ask Florissant business owners, established and new?
There are other points of view.
Unhappy bloggers are everywhere, anonymous makes too easy for some to resist .The good, the bad and the ugly.
Pale Dago

O Fallon, MO

#7 Dec 1, 2012
Better do a lot of research first.
Mickster wrote:
I am looking at moving to, and opening a small business in Florisant...near N. Linbergh and New Halls Ferry. I am looking for honest feedback on what it's liketo live and wrk there.
Shaniqua

United States

#8 Dec 1, 2012
High majority of whites. Now dat be sum funny shiz. We takin ova.
leelee

Florissant, MO

#11 Dec 2, 2012
PLEASE ignore the naysayers- as you can see from their locations, they don't even live in the Florissant area anymore (Florissant, like other cities in the region has suffered from a degree of 'white flight' in the past 10 or so years, and seemingly the Caucasians who moved out to Wentzville, Lake St. Louis, etc are still embittered about having to leave).

My husband and I recently moved to Florissant- and so far I LOVE it here. I live in a very nice, stable, established subdivision. All of my neighbors are wonderful and have been here 20+ years (40+ and 50+ in two cases). So far I've found the community to be welcoming and all of the amenities are within very short driving distance. Access to St. Louis too is easy and a manageable commute.

What's more, Florissant is VERY affordable- you can get a lot of 'bang for your buck' here while still getting a good neighborhood (although like anywhere else, some areas are better than others).

What kind of business are you planning on opening? The kind of business may dictate your success. Best of luck to you though- I hope you make the decision to come here!
whatwasup

Florissant, MO

#13 Dec 2, 2012
leelee wrote:
PLEASE ignore the naysayers- as you can see from their locations, they don't even live in the Florissant area anymore (Florissant, like other cities in the region has suffered from a degree of 'white flight' in the past 10 or so years, and seemingly the Caucasians who moved out to Wentzville, Lake St. Louis, etc are still embittered about having to leave).
This is why some people should not use the Internet. I absolutely live in Florissant and have done so for the last 26 years. Just because it says I'm not in florissant does not make it true. If I could sell my house in this hell hole I would be gone. I live near Derhake and Waterford.
taxpayer

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#14 Dec 2, 2012
leelee wrote:
PLEASE ignore the naysayers- as you can see from their locations, they don't even live in the Florissant area anymore (Florissant, like other cities in the region has suffered from a degree of 'white flight' in the past 10 or so years, and seemingly the Caucasians who moved out to Wentzville, Lake St. Louis, etc are still embittered about having to leave).
My husband and I recently moved to Florissant- and so far I LOVE it here. I live in a very nice, stable, established subdivision. All of my neighbors are wonderful and have been here 20+ years (40+ and 50+ in two cases). So far I've found the community to be welcoming and all of the amenities are within very short driving distance. Access to St. Louis too is easy and a manageable commute.
What's more, Florissant is VERY affordable- you can get a lot of 'bang for your buck' here while still getting a good neighborhood (although like anywhere else, some areas are better than others).
What kind of business are you planning on opening? The kind of business may dictate your success. Best of luck to you though- I hope you make the decision to come here!
Yeah, "bang for your buck" sound about right.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#15 Dec 3, 2012
Mickster wrote:
I am looking at moving to, and opening a small business in Florisant...near N. Linbergh and New Halls Ferry. I am looking for honest feedback on what it's liketo live and wrk there.
To say there are racist on here is obvious, to believe that the entire community feels the same is erroneous.

I co-own a business in Old Town Florissant and we do quite well and always have. Whether or not the location you are considering is viable really depends upon what your business is. Cross Keys has been extremely successful even though there were many naysayers when the project was first addressed. Other independent business around that area are also doing well. The Pit Crew is privately owned and has proved (according to Mike) very profitable.

Please ignore the malcontents on here as the majority of them really don't know what they are speaking about. Yes, Florissant has seen a slight increase in some crimes (mainly residential burglaries and car thefts). So have all communities which, unfortunately is a "given" when the economy is so slack.

As for residential living, I live in Old Town (not to far from "Granny" and love it. There are a few houses for sale in that area but there are also a lot of restrictions concerning your property if you are considered a true part of historical Old Town.

I welcome you to the community if you choose to locate here. And once again, I strongly suggest you ignore the prejudicial comments. Florissant is as safe or safer than any city its size. I have been a resident for a very long time and have absolutely no plans to move either my residence or business from the area.

Also, please note, the majority of complainers do not live in thea area and if one were interested enough they could check the crime stats for the area in which said persons live. In most cases you would find that those places have just as many if not more problems than Florissant.

Be that as it may, good luck in whatever you choose.
Why not

Florissant, MO

#16 Dec 3, 2012
taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, "bang for your buck" sound about right.
take a look at the crime stats for Troy?

Very interesting reading, you can start with the registered sex offenders list, assuming you have enough spare time to read the whole thing. Lots of child molestors listed in that upstanding, moral community.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#18 Dec 3, 2012
Why not wrote:
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take a look at the crime stats for Troy?
Very interesting reading, you can start with the registered sex offenders list, assuming you have enough spare time to read the whole thing. Lots of child molestors listed in that upstanding, moral community.
I understand your frustration at the posters who dwell on the negative and make postings which are racist and bigoted. However, making comments similar to theirs is pointless and only creates a more hostile atmosphere. The best option, IMO is just to ignore them and let them have their rants since it seems to be what "makes their day".

I have to say, though, that your point is somewhat enlightening. Negative posters point fingers at blacks as being the only source of criminal activity. However, after doing what you suggested I discovered that Troy and other equally sized communities are predominately white. I wonder what the explaination (excuse) could be made for that?
TTU

United States

#20 Dec 3, 2012
Nikki McMillan wrote:
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I understand your frustration at the posters who dwell on the negative and make postings which are racist and bigoted. However, making comments similar to theirs is pointless and only creates a more hostile atmosphere. The best option, IMO is just to ignore them and let them have their rants since it seems to be what "makes their day".
I have to say, though, that your point is somewhat enlightening. Negative posters point fingers at blacks as being the only source of criminal activity. However, after doing what you suggested I discovered that Troy and other equally sized communities are predominately white. I wonder what the explaination (excuse) could be made for that?
If I may pipe in, I moved from Florissant to St Charles county but still work in St Louis city. I can say that every place has its problems. You will notice that a lot of the negative posts are from St Charles co residents that transplanted from FLOMO. In my immediate area, for the most part, they traded blacks for what are referred to as "hoosiers" which are basically country folks that had subdivisions sprout up around them. Some of the posts are from a town called Wentzville and they seem to be the most vocal naysayers.

Let me explain. Wentzville is looked down upon by most StCharles county folks because it was largely hoosier and had the county's largest contingent of blacks for a long time. A bunch of subdivisions popped up and basically the city doubled in population in a short period of time. I would speculate that a lot of the folks who moved there had no idea of the stigmatism associated with that community, particularly amongst adjacent Lake Saint Louis folks. So it looks to me like they have a need to vent and so they attack FLOMO on these boards.

IMHO FLOMO is a decent place to live, convenient, affordable, but you need to be racially tolerant. Street crime and burglaries are increasing, as a result of changed demographics. The public schools are now majority "urban" and low performing, so if you have a kid or kids and value their education, you will likely want to factor private education into your budget.

If you want to locate your business in FLOMO but schools are an issue, I recommend the neighboring Pattonville school district. It is highly rated and still performing well, and has some areas of affordable housing, but be careful as there is a large landfill in the area that puts out an odor. One word of caution though, if you happen to be black and have "thug" type kids, that school district pretty much treats thug actions, e.g., fights drug possession, beat downs, as criminal offenses and turns the perps over to the local police or family services and gets them out of the schools.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#21 Dec 3, 2012
TTU wrote:
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If I may pipe in, I moved from Florissant to St Charles county but still work in St Louis city. I can say that every place has its problems. You will notice that a lot of the negative posts are from St Charles co residents that transplanted from FLOMO. In my immediate area, for the most part, they traded blacks for what are referred to as "hoosiers" which are basically country folks that had subdivisions sprout up around them. Some of the posts are from a town called Wentzville and they seem to be the most vocal naysayers.
Let me explain. Wentzville is looked down upon by most StCharles county folks because it was largely hoosier and had the county's largest contingent of blacks for a long time. A bunch of subdivisions popped up and basically the city doubled in population in a short period of time. I would speculate that a lot of the folks who moved there had no idea of the stigmatism associated with that community, particularly amongst adjacent Lake Saint Louis folks. So it looks to me like they have a need to vent and so they attack FLOMO on these boards.
IMHO FLOMO is a decent place to live, convenient, affordable, but you need to be racially tolerant. Street crime and burglaries are increasing, as a result of changed demographics. The public schools are now majority "urban" and low performing, so if you have a kid or kids and value their education, you will likely want to factor private education into your budget.
If you want to locate your business in FLOMO but schools are an issue, I recommend the neighboring Pattonville school district. It is highly rated and still performing well, and has some areas of affordable housing, but be careful as there is a large landfill in the area that puts out an odor. One word of caution though, if you happen to be black and have "thug" type kids, that school district pretty much treats thug actions, e.g., fights drug possession, beat downs, as criminal offenses and turns the perps over to the local police or family services and gets them out of the schools.
FFSD definitely has problems. And it cannot be denied that those problems began when the district was consolidated (Ferguson-Florissant) and inner city busing and busing from other areas such as Kinloch, Wellston, etc. began. That is not racist just the unfortunate facts that black children were not treated fairly nor given the good educational opportunities in many city schools.

Those are facts that I will not even try to dispute. The forced busing and mainstreaming of problem students through the SSD began about the same time. Most of the educators in the Florissant school system were not trained to handle such a large volume of students many of whom had learning and discipline problems.

The school system is in serious need of attention but as long as the school board and administrators sit on their collective behinds and do nothing it will only, unfortunately get worse.

I had to think about the racial tolerance comment because I am not certain that it is applicable to myself nor to many people I know. I was raised to treat persons as individuals not as groups. So I suppose that is where, why my views clash with many others. I have been the subject (never consider myself a victim on any level) of a criminal act which was done by a white male. That did not make me believe that all white males fitting his characteristics were potentially dangerous to me. That sort of logic is what I apply to all my personal encounters, the type of person someone is, not his or her race, ethnicity, religion (or lack of) etc.

Just an aside...I was born and lived the majority of my young adult years in Shreveport, Louisiana. By all accounts (according to "Yankees" I should be a confirmed racists and card carrying Klucker (KKK). Obviously I am not nor ever will be. Racists can be found in all demographics all over the planet. And IMO they are not worthy acknowledgement.
Black Business Owner

Troy, MO

#22 Dec 3, 2012
I own a business in Wentzville and I am offended by these off handed and biased remarks. My customers are correct. They fled your area because of racial intolerance and prejudiced white people. The people who continue to uphold their "territory" on here do so for a reason. They are clueless about market share, demographics, and median household incomes as they relate to operating a successful business. I can assure you that your business will thrive out in this area much more so than it would in the land of make believe. Do some market research and you will soon discover that there are better areas to open a business than where these ignorant people will have you believe. Don't fall for their sugar coated hype.
And you sir or madam

Florissant, MO

#24 Dec 3, 2012
Black Business Owner wrote:
I own a business in Wentzville and I am offended by these off handed and biased remarks. My customers are correct. They fled your area because of racial intolerance and prejudiced white people. The people who continue to uphold their "territory" on here do so for a reason. They are clueless about market share, demographics, and median household incomes as they relate to operating a successful business. I can assure you that your business will thrive out in this area much more so than it would in the land of make believe. Do some market research and you will soon discover that there are better areas to open a business than where these ignorant people will have you believe. Don't fall for their sugar coated hype.
are yet another reason for the racial tension and out spoken hatred from both sides.

You have no personal knowledge of anyone on this forum who may own a business in Florissant or any community nor of the profitability of those businesses. That being so, you cannot make such guarantees that those people or anyone would do better in your area.

Perhaps you are black (although I doubt it) but making degrading remarks and passing judgment on persons simply because their opinion differs from you is uncalled for. Before calling someone ignorant and making such accusations perhaps you need to assess your own ethics and your own racism/bigotry.

You are entitled to your opinion but you place yourself, by your own attitude and words in the same category of the racist posters in this forum.
Black Business Owner

Troy, MO

#25 Dec 3, 2012
And you sir or madam wrote:
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are yet another reason for the racial tension and out spoken hatred from both sides.
You have no personal knowledge of anyone on this forum who may own a business in Florissant or any community nor of the profitability of those businesses. That being so, you cannot make such guarantees that those people or anyone would do better in your area.
Perhaps you are black (although I doubt it) but making degrading remarks and passing judgment on persons simply because their opinion differs from you is uncalled for. Before calling someone ignorant and making such accusations perhaps you need to assess your own ethics and your own racism/bigotry.
You are entitled to your opinion but you place yourself, by your own attitude and words in the same category of the racist posters in this forum.
And you missed my point entirely. What I do have knowledge of is demographics and business plans. How do you know that I "have no personal knowledge of anyone on this forum who may own a business in Florissant or any community nor of the profitability of those businesses." I did plenty of research and one can start with census data. The income levels are higher out here. The houses are valued better. There are multiple cultures whites, blacks, hispanics, etc. with MORE disposable income to support small business. Now as far as the racial business goes, this area is made up of mostly people that once lived on that side of the river. I could have opened my business up over there but the numbers are better here and didn't support that market plan. That's just the facts and you wouldn't know them if you haven't done your research. Lower income people from the city don't spend as much as educated middle income people from the suburbs do. There is a reason that your Jamestowne mall has declined. It sure didn't happen because educated whites and blacks do all of their shopping there. You don't know me and you certainly ain't the almighty Jesus so you can't judge me either.
Lil Africa Entrepreneu

Irving, TX

#26 Dec 3, 2012
Mickster wrote:
I am looking at moving to, and opening a small business in Florisant...near N. Linbergh and New Halls Ferry. I am looking for honest feedback on what it's liketo live and wrk there.
Any business that offers handguns , Malt Liquor, fried Chicken, check cashing, jewelry pawn and loan is sure to do extremely well.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#27 Dec 3, 2012
And you sir or madam wrote:
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are yet another reason for the racial tension and out spoken hatred from both sides.
You have no personal knowledge of anyone on this forum who may own a business in Florissant or any community nor of the profitability of those businesses. That being so, you cannot make such guarantees that those people or anyone would do better in your area.
Perhaps you are black (although I doubt it) but making degrading remarks and passing judgment on persons simply because their opinion differs from you is uncalled for. Before calling someone ignorant and making such accusations perhaps you need to assess your own ethics and your own racism/bigotry.
You are entitled to your opinion but you place yourself, by your own attitude and words in the same category of the racist posters in this forum.
Apparently the person is proud of his or her community and his or her business success. That is all well and good. As for the name calling and general rudeness,the best option as I have said before is not to respond to such.

Everyone has a right to live where they choose and to state how they feel about it. Unfortunately some people choose to put down anyone who does not see things their way. Calling people ignorant and whatever is just a tactic some people use to try to assert power over someone else. It really isn't important and certainly not worth getting upset over.

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