FBI probe involves several Upland businesses

Full story: Inland Valley Daily Bulletin

The FBI and IRS investigation that closed City Hall for an entire day Thursday is a far-reaching one that involves not only the mayor but a number of businesses and business owners in the region.
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#126 Jun 12, 2010
Beetlejuice wrote:
No evidence of said corruption? You don't think that 40 FBI and IRS investigators had probable cause before they shut Upland City Hall down? Do you think that the county D.A.and state attorney general made public charges without substantive reasons? Do you think that the judge was off his rocker when he signed the warrant to search city hall and other places? Do you think that Jim Erwin and Bill Postmus are being falsely accused? Do you think that all the legal allegations are just fantasy and being made up? You do think that the end justifies the means. Stolen money is stolen money. Al Capone donated large chunks of money, to silence people like yourself. Happy, smiling, unquestioning. Richard Nixon did some nice things too. But Watergate negated it all. <quoted text>
yes you are right. What people do not realize is there are real victims of this fraud that have gone through hell
EyesOpen

Upland, CA

#127 Jun 12, 2010
Regarding the Colonies Settlement, I still see nothing but opinions while I prefer facts.

I will make this deal with you Martha, AJ and Beetle; when you open your checkbook instead of your mouth and contribute something other than slander to our community, I'll think of you as a little more credible too.
MayISay

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#129 Jun 12, 2010
Colonies Partner Dan Richards was involved in a real estate development deal in Ontario in 2000. The city acquired land near 6th Street and Mountain for approx $8.5 million. They then sold it to Richards for approx.$45,000. Ontario even agreed to waive up to $500,000 in development impact fees. Richards then parceled out the land to make about 45 parcels. He then sold market rate homes for about $320,000 each. How much money do you think he and his partners made on this one deal alone? Richards then heavily funded then-Ontario Mayor Gary Ovitt for supervisor.(Ovitt, by the way, in his first act as supervisor--promptly and without question voted for the $102 million settlement for the Colonies.)
After he made this amount of money do you think that he had some money left over for charity? I bet he did. I am not saying that it is all the fault of the developer. I am saying that it is also the fault of the elected officials who will give away the entire city treasury, so that they can stay in office. What it turns out to be is quid pro quo. This is what perpetuates the Good Ole' Boys spending large amounts of money to keep these crooks/elected officials in office. These type of deals are unconscionable.
EyesOpen wrote:
Regarding Mr. Burum and his Colonies Partners, a few things occurred to me.
Alternatives should be considered and make no mistake, the Colonies would have been developed. Had a non-local group developed the Colonies, they undoubtedly would have shown much less commitment to the quality of the development and would have done little/nothing for local non-profit organizations.
Because Mr. Burum and his partners developed the Colonies, the result is a development that is a nice place to dine and shop. More importantly, Mr. Burum and his partners have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to local non-profit organizations. I do not know these men, but I am involved in many local non-profit organizations and have seen their repeated generosity to hospitals and charities that are an invaluable part of our community. It is men and women like these that make possible so many of the great things that happen in our community.
Also, being that no one commenting here is privy to many facts regarding the Colonies Settlement, it is a non-sensical conslusion to assume competence on the part of the county in executing their flood control responsibilities and to assume corruption on the part of the developers.
Stay classy, IE.
The Insider

United States

#128 Jun 12, 2010
Upland Workerbee wrote:
Just tossing this into the mix.... JP is at JD Allisons Bar & grill daily - common knowledge around town - drinking away! Also the 2nd Ave Saloon, Cronic and other bars are owned by the same guys who owned Margaritaville, in Rancho that was shut down and Oasis Nightclub in Upland.
Nope>>2nd ave saloon is Jp and Brnum, Chronic was owned seperatly and The guy who owned Margaritaville owns Loco Cantina and Oasis. Lets get our facts straight. This lawsuit in Riverside will be very interesting!! I'm sure theres more to come...
Beetlejuice

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#131 Jun 12, 2010
Don't do us any favors. I suggest you take an ethics and critical thinking class. It might help you. Maybe it won't.
EyesOpen wrote:
Regarding the Colonies Settlement, I still see nothing but opinions while I prefer facts.
I will make this deal with you Martha, AJ and Beetle; when you open your checkbook instead of your mouth and contribute something other than slander to our community, I'll think of you as a little more credible too.
Action Jackson

South Gate, CA

#130 Jun 12, 2010
EyesOpen wrote:
I'm not condoning corruption, I am pointing out that niether you or anyone else here have/has evidence that corruption occured. Obviously, we all prefer honest business people and politicians though I think few understand the complexities of a project like the Colonies- myself included. It's very easy to point fingers at sucessful people and assume that they did not work hard or play by the rules.
That said, these men were generous long before the Colonies or the Colonies Settlement. Tax deduictions, PR move or whatever- they are still the reason that hospitals and schools have new buildings and equipment, abused women are sheltered, homeless are fed and countless other benefits that occur in our community each day.
To me, it is not a case of the end justifying the means, but rather credibility based on action (in this case, charitable action) of the developers, a long track record of incompetence in local government and importantly, no evidence of said corruption.
<quoted text>
That incompetence in local government that you admit to is what that FBI raid is all about. The incompetence of pomerski,Biane,Postmus,Ovitt, let's not forget congressman Miller, Senator Brulte,countless councilpersons and mayors and perhaps even local superior court judges. All made incompetent by their greed and all facilitated by developers such as colonies. This is a cancerous entanglment that has drained the tax payer. Not because prosecutions and investigations had to be undertaken, but because public value, public worth, was just handed over(pennies on the dollar) to developers. You should show a little more consern for your fellow tax paying AMERICAN and not the MAFIA crooks that abuse the rights that we have bled for. Shame on you for belittling this corruption. Shame on you for your lack of compassion for the true victims in this case, and shame on you for selling out to the perpetrators of this crime.

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#132 Jun 12, 2010
EyesOpen wrote:
I'm not condoning corruption, I am pointing out that niether you or anyone else here have/has evidence that corruption occured. Obviously, we all prefer honest business people and politicians though I think few understand the complexities of a project like the Colonies- myself included. It's very easy to point fingers at sucessful people and assume that they did not work hard or play by the rules.
That said, these men were generous long before the Colonies or the Colonies Settlement. Tax deduictions, PR move or whatever- they are still the reason that hospitals and schools have new buildings and equipment, abused women are sheltered, homeless are fed and countless other benefits that occur in our community each day.
To me, it is not a case of the end justifying the means, but rather credibility based on action (in this case, charitable action) of the developers, a long track record of incompetence in local government and importantly, no evidence of said corruption.
<quoted text>
so you know a stack of papers was given HUD OIG and they called FBI
MayISay

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#133 Jun 13, 2010
Action Jackson you have said it so well. They have drained the public worth. They have been sucking us dry. We have lost so many opportunities because the elected officials were opening up the public purse to their campaign contributors and throwing the money away. Because of this we have lost opportunities. The money could have been better spent and, in many cases, we can't get it back. And now the sad story of high unemployment in San Bernardino County, and cutbacks in services. Once again the people charged with the highest duty, the fiduciary duty, have betrayed us.
Action Jackson wrote:
<quoted text> That incompetence in local government that you admit to is what that FBI raid is all about. The incompetence of pomerski,Biane,Postmus,Ovitt, let's not forget congressman Miller, Senator Brulte,countless councilpersons and mayors and perhaps even local superior court judges. All made incompetent by their greed and all facilitated by developers such as colonies. This is a cancerous entanglment that has drained the tax payer. Not because prosecutions and investigations had to be undertaken, but because public value, public worth, was just handed over(pennies on the dollar) to developers. You should show a little more consern for your fellow tax paying AMERICAN and not the MAFIA crooks that abuse the rights that we have bled for. Shame on you for belittling this corruption. Shame on you for your lack of compassion for the true victims in this case, and shame on you for selling out to the perpetrators of this crime.
Peggy N

Claremont, CA

#134 Jun 13, 2010
The Insider wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope>>2nd ave saloon is Jp and Brnum, Chronic was owned seperatly and The guy who owned Margaritaville owns Loco Cantina and Oasis. Lets get our facts straight. This lawsuit in Riverside will be very interesting!! I'm sure theres more to come...
Wrong facts. Leggios OWNED the sports bar when it was called the Cellar, which is now the Chronic Cantina.
Upland Workerbee

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#135 Jun 13, 2010
OK, so how does the owner of JD Allisons come into play when all these "players" patronize her establishment?
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#136 Jun 13, 2010
Beetlejuice wrote:
Do you think that the county D.A.and state attorney general made public charges without substantive reasons? <quoted text>
Yes, I think they had substantive reasons; the upcoming elections. However, I do not think they had substantive evidence.
sideline reader

Chino Hills, CA

#137 Jun 13, 2010
golden state bank based in Upland.... MOST of the names mentioned are either board members, were board members, major stock holdrs, stock holders.... I heard rummors of a life size pix in the board room of the RAT PACK....more dots
dlorahdebarge

Tavares, FL

#138 Jun 13, 2010
Isn't funny how the pro Colonies bloggers attempt to reason with the naysayers by mentioning the ineptitude of the local politicians and pronounce the charitable organizations to which they have donated money and poor Burum has gone through hell. Read some of the original news stories and the developers knew the county was inept...that is what "Cons" do...they find a patsy...The original feud about flood control...anyone who drove over 19th back when could see it was a ravaged flood plane that the rock quarry had abused for decades. Most developers dedicate streets, sidewalks, common areas, easements as a cost of doing business since they will be making money on the structures ie business or residential. I understand they also used Mello-Roos to pay for utilities which was such a negative impact most buyers have known for decades to avoid mello-roos. Colonies claimed in court they didn't know they would have to create flood control for the freeway...my arce. Upland and the Colonies are not victims. The art of getting government grants for non-profit ventures has created a new breed of crook...laundered cash to throw around is corrupting local politics, and the IRS is pissed.
dlorahdebarge

Tavares, FL

#139 Jun 13, 2010
...pished.
ABC

Chino, CA

#140 Jun 13, 2010
So what is the possibility that JP will be in handcuffs by the end of June?
Tina Ferrer

Hesperia, CA

#141 Jun 13, 2010
I give it until the first week of August before They are all frog hopped. A new model of politics is sweeping this nation and our local cities.

Thanks to Obama, we now know what transparency isn't and as all of you I'm sure are observing, the current American constituency is more educated as to the Constitution than any previous generation and we're simply not going to take it any longer.

If there is one molecular whiff of JP & Co. being involved in any nefarious activity whatsoever they must step down....at the very least.
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#142 Jun 13, 2010
dlorahdebarge wrote:
Isn't funny how the pro Colonies bloggers attempt to reason with the naysayers by mentioning the ineptitude of the local politicians and pronounce the charitable organizations to which they have donated money and poor Burum has gone through hell. Read some of the original news stories and the developers knew the county was inept...that is what "Cons" do...they find a patsy...The original feud about flood control...anyone who drove over 19th back when could see it was a ravaged flood plane that the rock quarry had abused for decades. Most developers dedicate streets, sidewalks, common areas, easements as a cost of doing business since they will be making money on the structures ie business or residential. I understand they also used Mello-Roos to pay for utilities which was such a negative impact most buyers have known for decades to avoid mello-roos. Colonies claimed in court they didn't know they would have to create flood control for the freeway...my arce. Upland and the Colonies are not victims. The art of getting government grants for non-profit ventures has created a new breed of crook...laundered cash to throw around is corrupting local politics, and the IRS is ****.
Isn't it funny how bloggers who blame The Colonies attempt to ignore the facts, and condemn them based on ridiculously simplified interpretations of events?

For example: "Colonies claimed in court they didn't know they would have to create flood control for the freeway."

According to the court documents, The Colonies argued that neither the existing easements, nor any existing documentation, contemplated the 20th street storm drain being diverted onto their property. That volume increased dramatically when the 210 freeway grade was lowered to pass under Euclid and Mountain. The county told The Colonies it was their problem to deal with, and they did, dedicating land for a far larger detention basin than they would have had to otherwise and installing improvements. While they were doing so, arrogant County bureaucrats were congratulating themselves on once again extorting public improvements out of developers (Sorry, I could not resist a little editorial). Once the improvements were built, The Colonies sued the county, and asked the court to determine if the county was right in imposing the requirements. We all know how that turned out.

Holy Moly

Claremont, CA

#143 Jun 13, 2010
sideline reader wrote:
golden state bank based in Upland.... MOST of the names mentioned are either board members, were board members, major stock holdrs, stock holders.... I heard rummors of a life size pix in the board room of the RAT PACK....more dots
Do Leggios still own that bank?
Beetlejuice

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#144 Jun 13, 2010
Great observation! Anyone remember that the Leggio's originally wanted to move their car dealership up near the 210. They also wanted the FREE 4-acres of land from Rancho Cucamonga for Upland. Ultimately, this proposal lost. However, Biane, Dutton, and Williams all wholeheartedly voted to give this land to Upland. Presumably it would help them accomodate their car dealership. Bill Alexander was the lone vote against it. In the next election the Colonies spent several hundreds of thousands of dollars to insure that Alexander would lose. Incidentally, it was the Leggio's who spearheaded and funded putting J.P. in office in 2000. Coincidentally, this was right before they purchased their Chevrolet dealership in Upland. Sure is convenient to own a bank too that you run your shenanigans through. The original report says that this raid is not connected to The Colonies. I don't believe it. They are connected. Read between the lines and connect the dots...
Holy Moly wrote:
<quoted text>
Do Leggios still own that bank?
MayISay

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#145 Jun 13, 2010
You say The Colonies argues that neither the existing easements, nor existing documentation, contemplated the 20th Street strom drain being diverted onto their property. I find that hard to believe. Their good political friend, Jim Brulte, and others like Dutton--had access to all of this information. That's what they pay for, access! But it was too much money for the county to cough up (give away)blatantly, so the lawsuit would allow county elected officials to quote, unwillingly, give them the money. But Postmus, Brulte, Ovitt and Biane did not look so unwilling when they tossed out county counsel. In fact, it was the first order of newly elected supervisor Ovitt. Is it coincidental that then-Senator Brulte brokered this deal with the assistance of Ovitt etal. By the way, I understand that Brulte was paid handsomely for his assistance.
Observer of Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't it funny how bloggers who blame The Colonies attempt to ignore the facts, and condemn them based on ridiculously simplified interpretations of events?
For example: "Colonies claimed in court they didn't know they would have to create flood control for the freeway."
According to the court documents, The Colonies argued that neither the existing easements, nor any existing documentation, contemplated the 20th street storm drain being diverted onto their property. That volume increased dramatically when the 210 freeway grade was lowered to pass under Euclid and Mountain. The county told The Colonies it was their problem to deal with, and they did, dedicating land for a far larger detention basin than they would have had to otherwise and installing improvements. While they were doing so, arrogant County bureaucrats were congratulating themselves on once again extorting public improvements out of developers (Sorry, I could not resist a little editorial). Once the improvements were built, The Colonies sued the county, and asked the court to determine if the county was right in imposing the requirements. We all know how that turned out.

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