Downtown Santa Cruz menorah needs a s...

Downtown Santa Cruz menorah needs a security guard

There are 255 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Dec 4, 2009, titled Downtown Santa Cruz menorah needs a security guard. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

An orthodox Jewish group must spend thousands of dollars to hire a private, 24-hour security guard or abandon its annual downtown menorah this Hanukkah after city staff said that for years they have issued the group the wrong permit to erect its candelabra.

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“A different view”

Since: Sep 08

West Riding

#3 Dec 4, 2009
Must we be punished with two threads on this garbage?
Pilot

Santa Cruz, CA

#4 Dec 4, 2009
Ironic that someone from Mt. Hermon would be against religious displays.

Since: May 08

United States

#5 Dec 4, 2009
When did the neo-nazis move into downtown ??

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Dec 4, 2009
I hate atheists like these - they give all atheists a bad name. Bunch of Scrooges.

Stop begrudging people their religious symbols! It's no skin off your back. Why care what other people do to celebrate holidays.

Menorah, tree, creche, festivus pole, yule logs, Kwanzaa whatever... bring it all downtown and show it off.

The likely result of this will be for no displays at all of any holiday anything.

Live and let live.
Kristi

United States

#9 Dec 4, 2009
Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. Putting lights on a tree and not being able to say Merry Christmas does not celebrate it.

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Dec 4, 2009
Jon wrote:
From Ryan's biography as candidate for council -
"Ryan is an active member of Temple Beth El's Social Action Committee"
Ryan is a COPA organizer. For that reason alone, he should be recalled.
California Orthotics and Prosthetics Association?

Child Online Protection Act?

Coalition of Photographic Arts?

What is this COPA that offends you so much? Enquiring minds, etc.
Ridiculous

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Dec 4, 2009
I won't shop downtown if the atheists win this one.
make it easy

Oakland, CA

#12 Dec 4, 2009
Hey let's make it easy.

Unplug the tree, keep the menorah at home and practice religion at your temple, church, mosque, forest, pew or Aztec altar.

The "holiday season" is all about the gifts anyway so let's honor the almighty dollar and burn a few downtown.

You honor my religion (none) and I'll honor yours in the privacy of your own home.
Curious

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Dec 4, 2009
What three businesses do the Coonery's own. I know the Bookshop, but whatelse?

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#14 Dec 4, 2009
Suddenly the City requires a $5000 security guard? Huh? Can't the Temple simply sign a waiver leaving the City faultless should the Menorah be vandalized? C'mon City! Work around this. Otherwise, we will have a "Holiday" (Christmas) tree and no Menorah. That's not right!
Be fair

Oakland, CA

#15 Dec 4, 2009
Mr. Rodkin, really? If there is a tree with lights then they have to allow a menorah with lights?

Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Indigenous religions, Chinese traditional, etc, are just the most popular religions.

So every holiday you want to allow equal access to the downtown mall for religious symbols for these major religions--what about the minor ones?

Doesn't it make sense to ask people to worship at home or in their place of worship and keep public space for ALL of us? Oh yeah, and 16% of us don't believe in any of these.

Be fair and lose them all.
Bentheredonethat

Union City, CA

#16 Dec 4, 2009
After all the noise made over the swastikas hanging on private property, nobody gets that a Menorah might be offensive to some people?

I wonder how a Muslim or a Palestinian feels about that Menorah being displayed on public property.(versus private property)

People don't mind symbols as long as they are 'their' symbols.

No religious symbols on public property ensures a very important right - the separation of church and state.

Go ahead and display your religious symbols, just do it on your own private property.
Bealza Bob

United States

#17 Dec 4, 2009
Putting lights (only) on a tree is a Christian thing? Who knew? Hell, we have lights up all year long....does this mean I'm automatically saved? The fact that Rotkin is playing tit-for-tat in order to justify the menorah is ridiculous. I am not an athiest but I do believe that the menorah is most definitely a religious object and a GIANT menorah on a public sidewalk is a tacky, in-your-face embarassment that is totally out of place.
Ho ho How

Union City, CA

#18 Dec 4, 2009
How could atheists be so cruel?
I mean who doesn't like the idea of an obese arab breaking into their home and leaving suspicious packages?
Aptos Resident

Daly City, CA

#19 Dec 4, 2009
Excuse me, I find this offensive, take it down immediately. Or I will complain about it to the newspapers until it's taken down. First Amendment Rights my a-ss! This is SO offensive. Wait...Doesn't this sound familiar?
Sam

United States

#20 Dec 4, 2009
A community tree? What is that? A city council member lighting a menorah on public property?
The menorah IS offensive when other religions are not allowed. Can this guy be any more stupid?
Alan Parson

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Dec 4, 2009
Xanthippe wrote:
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California Orthotics and Prosthetics Association?
Child Online Protection Act?
Coalition of Photographic Arts?
What is this COPA that offends you so much? Enquiring minds, etc.
Look who's talking about being offended.
Jon

Santa Cruz, CA

#22 Dec 4, 2009
Xanthippe wrote:
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California Orthotics and Prosthetics Association?
Child Online Protection Act?
Coalition of Photographic Arts?
What is this COPA that offends you so much? Enquiring minds, etc.
Thanks for the opportunity, Xan. You know exactly what COPA is and how they are a problem in our county.

Try this http://www.topix.com/forum/source/santa-cruz-...

Or this http://www.topix.com/forum/city/marysville-ca...

Or, heck. Google it.
Mountain Girl

United States

#23 Dec 4, 2009
Soylent Green wrote:
When did the neo-nazis move into downtown ??
Did you not see the story a few days ago regarding the display of the Nazi flags. We must keep up on our downtown coverage....
stinger

Oakland, CA

#26 Dec 4, 2009
I can think of no good reason to go to Downtown Santa Cruz.

Today I will go to Los Gatos.

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