Sheriff's deputies reject pay deal

Sheriff's deputies reject pay deal

There are 88 comments on the San Bernardino County Sun story from Jun 14, 2010, titled Sheriff's deputies reject pay deal. In it, San Bernardino County Sun reports that:

Sheriff's deputies and other San Bernardino County law enforcement employees said no to a concessions package that would have required them to give up a pay raise and reduce pension benefits for future hires.

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Mike

Pomona, CA

#1 Jun 14, 2010
Good lay offs are what we need in addition to pay cuts. People no longer are interested in whats doing the best for the greater good. It's about mine, mine, mine and how I can get that shiny new RV. It's amazing what some professions make now with benefits and salaries. It's way out of line and it's all about to come crumbling down.
Mike

Pomona, CA

#2 Jun 15, 2010
Also when the county gives you 7 percent more that does not mean you have to work 7 percent less. Typically in the private sector raises are given based off merit and dedication to advance. Automatically getting 7 percent for nothing is just crazy. The CPI index is not even that much. What BS
Pomona Guy

Long Beach, CA

#3 Jun 15, 2010
Public service unions should not exist.
andy anderson

Apple Valley, CA

#4 Jun 15, 2010
Are they kidding go from 3by50 to 3by55 and they said NO, there is a lot of people out of work, we should be given them 2by55, and there not worth that. we should disband the unions, give them a set pay, if they don't like it, go find another job, just like everybody else.
Accountability

Running Springs, CA

#5 Jun 15, 2010
If you'll notice by the breakdowns, the management supported the proposal. And, I know for a fact that a great deal of the experienced deputies in the rank and file did so as well. It's the younger ones who voted against. The Gen X, or should I say the Gen PS3, is the largest voting block. Don't hold all public safety accountable. Quite a few know what's up and were trying to do what was needed to help out in a tanked economy.
No accountability

Chino, CA

#6 Jun 15, 2010
Well when you don't get a cost of living increase in 6 years (15-18% inflation) and you finally get a %7 increase. You are still behind the power curve. The reason why cops and firemen have 3% at 50 is in the past when the retirement age was 60, 50-75% of them died within the 3 years of retirement.

Besides, do you think 55 year old police officers/deputies can keep up with gangster and crooks that want to hurt or steal from your family.

When the county gives 8 million dollars a month to illegal alien welfare benefits and pays another 2 million in medical treatment to illegals at Arrowhead regional. Screw it we'll fund the illegals, lets just take the money from the Deputies.
Blogging is fun

Chino, CA

#7 Jun 15, 2010
Good to see Beaumont and Yucaipa are up early this morning. To accountability, of course the management supported the idea, they all get paid a lot more than the "Rank and file." You know, I own a small business, and I cut my overhead and costs years ago when this economy nose dived. Why didn't the county do the same? The economy will turn around and counties will get all their funding eventually, I think the bean counters in Sacramento love watching the cities and counties scramble for money.
Judgement

Highland, CA

#8 Jun 15, 2010
Don't be so quick to judge these deputies for declining that proposal. There is more to this story than meets the eye.
Do you find it odd that it's a 7% raise? Could it be because they've deferred their raises for the past 2 years? Or that this was the raise promised to them by the county? We shouldn't judge these guys if we as the public don't know the whole story.
Nobody was saying anything about City Fire or County Nursing when they were taking their raises last year!
The economy is hurting, yes we know! But when do you put your foot down so you can receive what you've promised? LetÂ’s remember, they have families too.
Focus now

United States

#10 Jun 15, 2010
Maybe quit wasting resources on chasing down marijuana smokers and fighting to maintain these ridiculous marijuana laws. Focus on crimes that cause injury to people, not crimes where people injure themselves.
Rap Master C

Riverside, CA

#11 Jun 15, 2010
The management that voted for the proposal are just straight idiots. Most of them will be retiring soon enough that losing the 7% would have impacted them much more severely. Some apparently thought the BOS and the POS Devereaux would make them whole in the end. Bottom line, if giving up the 7% under this proposal, had gone through it would have taken about 10 years to recover that amount. Unfortunately we are already $10 an hour behind surrounding agencies, so we can't afford to give it up. If you people want security guards go ahead and hire them and don't call the cops when that gang banger is shoving the barrel of his gun down your wife's throat.
jesse

Banning, CA

#12 Jun 15, 2010
lay them off, and no pay raise. the people have created these monsters (heros)
WazzUp

Upland, CA

#14 Jun 15, 2010
No accountability wrote:
Well when you don't get a cost of living increase in 6 years (15-18% inflation) and you finally get a %7 increase. You are still behind the power curve. The reason why cops and firemen have 3% at 50 is in the past when the retirement age was 60, 50-75% of them died within the 3 years of retirement.
Besides, do you think 55 year old police officers/deputies can keep up with gangster and crooks that want to hurt or steal from your family.
When the county gives 8 million dollars a month to illegal alien welfare benefits and pays another 2 million in medical treatment to illegals at Arrowhead regional. Screw it we'll fund the illegals, lets just take the money from the Deputies.
Virtually none of the statements in this post are true.

Here are lucky CalPERS pensioners from San Bernardino employment:
Monthly Yearly
BILLDT,MICHAEL $16,901.73 $202,820.76 SAN BERNARDINO
BLACKWELL, DALE $10,662.24 $127,946.88 SAN BERNARDINO
BOENHEIM, MARION $8,408.06 $100,896.72 SAN BERNARDINO
BREITEN, JEFFREY $9,856.72 $118,280.64 SAN BERNARDINO
BURDICK, EDWARD $9,054.66 $108,655.92 SAN BERNARDINO
CALKINS, DOUGLAS $10,402.15 $124,825.80 SAN BERNARDINO
CAMPOS, JESSE $10,748.42 $128,981.04 SAN BERNARDINO
CHENNAULT, LELAND $8,574.34 $102,892.08 SAN BERNARDINO
CLARK, JAMES $8,606.20 $103,274.40 SAN BERNARDINO
COBB, STEVEN $10,791.00 $129,492.00 SAN BERNARDINO
CURTIS, ROBERT $10,626.30 $127,515.60 SAN BERNARDINO
DICKERSON, DANIEL $10,739.82 $128,877.84 SAN BERNARDINO
FARMER, WESLEY $8,949.03 $107,388.36 SAN BERNARDINO
FLETCHER, GEORGE $14,361.91 $172,342.92 SAN BERNARDINO
GOGGIN, WALTER $13,805.85 $165,670.20 SAN BERNARDINO
HARP, WAYNE $10,277.14 $123,325.68 SAN BERNARDINO
HARPS, WILLIAM $8,655.39 $103,864.68 SAN BERNARDINO
HOLMES, NEDIA $9,194.30 $110,331.60 SAN BERNARDINO
HUSTED, LARRY $8,423.99 $101,087.88 SAN BERNARDINO
JARVIS, STEPHEN $8,995.32 $107,943.84 SAN BERNARDINO
KEITH, CRAIG $9,248.81 $110,985.72 SAN BERNARDINO
KERSEY, BERNARD $10,953.75 $131,445.00 SAN BERNARDINO
KILBRIDE, VINCENT $10,305.06 $123,660.72 SAN BERNARDINO
KIMBALL, MITCHAL $11,909.11 $142,909.32 SAN BERNARDINO
KINSMAN, MICHAEL $9,282.23 $111,386.76 SAN BERNARDINO
KLETTENBERG, STEVEN $11,046.72 $132,560.64 SAN BERNARDINO
LIBEU, LAWRENCE $9,531.41 $114,376.92 SAN BERNARDINO
LINDSETH, BARBARA $8,727.50 $104,730.00 SAN BERNARDINO
LOWE, MICHAEL $9,891.45 $118,697.40 SAN BERNARDINO
MANKIN, FRANK $12,804.91 $153,658.92 SAN BERNARDINO
MARTINEZ, JOAN $8,656.51 $103,878.12 SAN BERNARDINO
MOSSAVER-RAHMANI, ALI $9,753.27 $117,039.24 SAN BERNARDINO
MOYER, RIC $9,832.03 $117,984.36 SAN BERNARDINO
NATOLI, ROLAND $9,433.84 $113,206.08 SAN BERNARDINO
NEIGEL, LAWRENCE $9,615.96 $115,391.52 SAN BERNARDINO
PACHECO, MARGARITA $10,060.36 $120,724.32 SAN BERNARDINO
PARLETT, THOMAS $9,697.16 $116,365.92 SAN BERNARDINO
POTTS, MICHAEL $8,593.34 $103,120.08 SAN BERNARDINO
POYZER, ROGER $9,346.85 $112,162.20 SAN BERNARDINO
REICHARDT, DENNIS $12,186.27 $146,235.24 SAN BERNARDINO
REITER, ROBERT $15,490.28 $185,883.36 SAN BERNARDINO
SIMPSON, ALLEN $10,772.50 $129,270.00 SAN BERNARDINO
SODERBLOOM, DONALD $8,939.91 $107,278.92 SAN BERNARDINO
VAN GELDER, RANDALL $17,627.17 $211,526.04 SAN BERNARDINO
VAN OSDEL, GARY $9,163.25 $109,959.00 SAN BERNARDINO
WINN, RICKY $8,924.50 $107,094.00 SAN BERNARDINO
Zach

Colton, CA

#15 Jun 15, 2010
Mike wrote:
Also when the county gives you 7 percent more that does not mean you have to work 7 percent less. Typically in the private sector raises are given based off merit and dedication to advance. Automatically getting 7 percent for nothing is just crazy. The CPI index is not even that much. What BS
Mike, I'm sure you have a pretty tough job and have received numerous pay increases due to your "dedication" and "merit". You also seem pretty intelligent based on you very astute and brief application of the CPI as it relates to the necessity (or lack thereof) of pay raises. But unlike many county and city employees (public safety to be specific), I'm quite sure you don't work a graveyard shift on weekends, miss every important family function and holiday. I also doubt you've been shot at, assaulted, been in a high-speed chase or verbally berated on a near-daily basis by the dregs of society. Yeah, let's hope all of our deputy sheriffs, police officers and firefighters lose the benefits they obviously deserve. If you want a professional, educated and competent public safety officer to respond to your emergency, then minimum wage won't hire that caliber of employee. We're all in this together and need to protect the middle class.
hunkie boy

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Jun 15, 2010
who in the hell are they? rake in $90.000 a year ,qualified immunity, code of silence. pension 90% at 52 ,CRY BABIES!
Zach

Colton, CA

#17 Jun 15, 2010
Negus Please wrote:
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Your an idiot, you make it sound like the world is going to fall apart if we take 10 or 20% of your pay and benifit package. I for one have never called or needed the police I am always heavily armed and very experienced in death or life situations. I think SECURITY GUARDS could do 75% of all police work, like taking past criminal calls non major traffic accidents, alarm responses, sitting at coffee shops for hours at a time, rapping?hitting women and sexually assaulting little kids.
The normal citizen does now view law enforcement as heros anymore, YOU HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO A $$ WHOLES. Good news is when you guys get killed it reduces our tax bill.
Sounds like someone needs a hug.
Former Po-Po

Tomah, WI

#18 Jun 15, 2010
Mr. Negus Please (Whatever that means),

While trying to catch up on some Inland Empire news I came across this and read it with interest. I served as a Cop or probably PIG in your world or "Parallel Universe" for 27 years in Berdoo. I was shot and damn near killed and had a brother murdered in that town. Aside from its problems I still consider it my second home and want the best for it.

Reading your blog just tells me how ignorant you are. Its easy to sit back and blast away when your ignorant. Just a small hint for you, Security Guards couldn't handle what happens on a daily basis in Berdoo or a city of less activity. Also, most of society does hold the Po-Po in high regard except for the imbeciles. Anyway, I'm sure this won't register with you but I imagine that if I tell you to crawl back into your cave that will. But, don't forget to turn the light on and also the one between your ears if any part is still functional.
Not a Fireman

Chino, CA

#22 Jun 15, 2010
Negus Please wrote:
Former Po Po, Negus is an african word for king or someone at a higher level. Someone who only speaks cop like yourself should attempt to educate and expand your inner social circle.
Dude, stop acting like you're educated man. Your responses only prove how ignorant you are. I can tell by the way you're writing that you've had bad run-ins with the police. Sorry about this, but they are only human and you're probably an A$$hole;)
Everyone wants to talk crap about cops, how they're so called wife beaters, drunks, molesters and whatever other sterotypes they can come up with. The fact is, it's a hard job, not easy to get into and only few can overcome those situations. It's not like TV, it's real life.
This blog went from a pay raise to ignorance. These guys received a raise that was well deserved. Who cares what everyone else thinks. They were offered 7% by the county, so it's the counties fault for offering it. These guys put their lives on the line everyday to do things normal people couldn't even imagin. If anything, they're underpaid. So instead of sitting here and writing complete bulls**t, stand behind them. They truly make our society a safer place.
hunkie boy

Los Angeles, CA

#23 Jun 15, 2010
Prime example of Law enforcement pension"retired LAPD Bernard Parks,$193'000per year,$117.000,LA city council. plus perks, refuses to cut his pay from the council so someone can avoid being laid off.
Zach

Colton, CA

#24 Jun 15, 2010
Negus Please wrote:
Former Po Po, Negus is an african word for king or someone at a higher level. Someone who only speaks cop like yourself should attempt to educate and expand your inner social circle.
I bet a cop made you cry infront of your significant other and you never quite got over it. "Negus" an African term?? The only education I need to understand what it means is to watch CB4 again.

Po-Po, we're C4 down here in Berdoo. Enjoy your retirement and ignore this blog troll. Peace.
my2cents

Murrieta, CA

#26 Jun 15, 2010
Way to go SEBA! Do you know of any employees, public or private, who are getting a 7 percent pay raise this year or in any recent year? Apparently make from $60,000 to over $100,000 a year is not good enough -- you have to have a raise, regardless of the difficult position you just put your boss and county government in. You are sacrificing the jobs of not only deputies but others covered by the union for the almighty dollar.
I just lost some respect for not only the union but the people that voted in favor of rejecting this deal. What the county offered was the current and future reality. If some of your buddies end up on unemployment all you have to do is look in the mirror to see who is responsible for that.

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