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Old Timer

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Dec 23, 2007
 
Ive been hearing alot latly that walmart is coming to Ladysmith. Is there any truth to this?
Eric

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Dec 24, 2007
 
wow, I sure hope not.

I'm fine with driving 15-20 minutes to go to the one in Spotsy... Right in ladysmith would be a little too close to home for my taste. If they had to build a big box store, I'd be happier with a super-target.

Though, anything to give the foodlion some competition would be nice... but that's assuming it would be a super wal-mart...

What, is wal-mart trying to crush the local small businesses before they even get a chance to start-up? A walmart would kill the under-construction Ladysmith Commons area, and any other new commercial development happening.

I'm going to back away slowly from this topic, and pretend I didn't read it... until I see something more about it, I'll assume it's just a rumor.

On the other hand, I'd be 100% in support of a super-walmart down off of exit 104... they need something besides truck stops down there. And I think walmart would fit in better down there anyways... it's just that Ladysmith is trying to have an old-town style image, and a walmart would kill that.

ok, enough about this, I need to stop rambling. If anyone knows anything more, I hope they post it.
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Jan 2, 2008
 
Eric wrote:
wow, I sure hope not.
I'm fine with driving 15-20 minutes to go to the one in Spotsy... Right in ladysmith would be a little too close to home for my taste. If they had to build a big box store, I'd be happier with a super-target.
Though, anything to give the foodlion some competition would be nice... but that's assuming it would be a super wal-mart...
What, is wal-mart trying to crush the local small businesses before they even get a chance to start-up? A walmart would kill the under-construction Ladysmith Commons area, and any other new commercial development happening.
I'm going to back away slowly from this topic, and pretend I didn't read it... until I see something more about it, I'll assume it's just a rumor.
On the other hand, I'd be 100% in support of a super-walmart down off of exit 104... they need something besides truck stops down there. And I think walmart would fit in better down there anyways... it's just that Ladysmith is trying to have an old-town style image, and a walmart would kill that.
ok, enough about this, I need to stop rambling. If anyone knows anything more, I hope they post it.
Reguardless of Ladymith's "old town" style, developers are usually always in keeping with the integrity of historical townships. As far as the comment about an exit 104 in need of something, I don't think Carmel Church is any
more desperate than ladysmith. Our location is conveniently located off the corridor. Majority
of our residents are multifunctional large families and are suburbanly comfortable and accustom to our life styles. Please don't flatter your community by trying to create a double standard, just remember at the end of the day we all reside in Caroline County.
Eric

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Jan 2, 2008
 
huh?

I mentioned exit 104 because, as far as I know, there's no stores there... no grocery stores, or anything. Just like 3 truck stops and some fast food. I also mentioned that because I have heard people complain that there's no shopping down there. Also it just seems to me that a walmart would fit in better down there anyways (And would be more usefull).

And I wouldn't trust Walmart... they said they would build the walmart in southern stafford to look historical or whatever, and it looks just about like a normal walmart to me. And it's more than just looks... a big box store is the opposite of what Ladysmith is trying to do. There's supposed to be small shops and pedestrian walkways and such. If a Walmart opened up in town, it would kill most small businesses, so the town-style of shops and live/work units would be empty...

I want to see Ladysmith develop a downtown area... not a bunch of strip malls.

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#5
Jan 3, 2008
 
Eric don't mind Ms. Deagle, shes just a local self righteous moron that thinks she knows all, her way is the only way, and the rest of us should be thankful she allows us to reside in "her" area. Your idea of a Walmart at the 104 is right on target.

Ms. Deagle before ya spout off some bs towards me...
I could care less what you think of me or my opinion, so shut your pie hole and blow it out your ass.
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#6
Jan 4, 2008
 
I am so offended by those comments, so much that I am willing to look past it for the good of the community, I mean...I support local small businesses as well. But, I know Carmel Church is'nt ready for a big box store. I would rather see a high end Grocery store but that may be several years off. Oh and by the way ,I am not a local. My family and I moved here from Virginia Beach almost three years ago. And remember, I have a right to my own opinion. No wal-mart, No-way!
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Jan 4, 2008
 
At least we can all agree on something... no-one here so far has been excited about having a Walmart near where they live.

Also I think we'd all agree that the Food Lions need some competition... maybe a Ukrops? Last I heard was that Ukrops was thinking about locating to the area, but they're waiting for a little more growth first.

Since: Aug 07

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#8
Jan 4, 2008
 
Agreed Eric Food Lion DOES need some competition, a local Ukrops, Giant, or a super Walmart (in Carmel Church) would be a great addition.
Walmart would be a good convenience for the truck drivers, RV'ers and road travelers as well as residents in the western Caroline Co. area and those towards Bowling Green.
Having been a resident of Ladysmith for 31 years I wouldn't mind some variety a little closer to home. The Caroline Market (Old Moores Market) in Chilesburg is ok in a pinch but isn't really all that great for regular shopping.
QUIET SUMMER

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#9
Jan 11, 2008
 
NO WE DON'T NEED A WALMART, BUT WE DO NEED MORE STORES TO SHOP AT. THE VISION FOR CAROLINE COUNTY LADYSMITH AREA IS ONE WHICH KEEPS IT LOW KEY. ADDING A FEW RESTURANTS AND MOM AND POP STORES WITH A RELAXING TOUCH AND FEEL. THE CREATION OF SIDE WALKS AND COLONIAL STREET LIGHTS AND MAYBE SOME BRICK ROADS AND BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPES. THIS SHOULD BE THE VISION OF LADYSMITH. IF YOU WANT ALL THAT TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION MOVE BACK TO STAFFORD OR FREDERICKSBURG WERE PEOPLE LOSE THEIR TEMPER ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE NEED NO ROAD RAGE DOWN HERE.
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#10
Jan 12, 2008
 
I grabbed this from FredTalk. I don't know how accurate it is but nevertheless.

"Just to make you aware about Wal-mart stores. DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!! Unfortunately they do have land but will not build in Caroline until we have at least 12,000 homes in a 12 miles radius. they do predict a store in Caroline within 5 years. So they do plan on building but we need more homes unfortunately. We need them here bad not for just shopping but they give to the community more than you know. They will donate money to charities and our schools. They will also donate school supplies and sporting equipment to the schools. They also provide at least a hundred jobs to the area. We need them more than one reason but several."

So, if this is true we are out of luck. I would personally love to have something like a Harris Teeter's around here. High quality, more affordable than Food Lion, a lot of organic and ethnic foods, clean, and open 24 hours!

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Jan 12, 2008
 
I would think there is already 12,000 in a 12 mile radius between the lake communities, the new Ladysmith village, Pendelton, and all the other subdivisions and regular homes. 12 miles out in each direction from Ladysmith covers an area East to West from Bowling Green almost to Lake Anna and North to South from Doswell to Massaponax. IF they project 5 years or so I guess we must be very close. I think getting the land will be the issue for them, no one is gonna want that big beast in their back yard, myself included.
I think everyone agrees we need more stores and restaurants. I wish the few restaurants we have (besides Dominos)offered delivery.

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Jan 13, 2008
 
In Lake Caroline there are only about 960 homes, I think that Lake Landor has a bit more.Pendleton only has 29 homes right now and Ladysmith Village has a little over a hundred I believe, when it is done it will have 3170 homes. I don't think there are 12000 homes yet in a 12 mile radius. I think we have a ways to go before we hit 12000.
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Jan 15, 2008
 
Ok then....Is there anything coming here that we can look forward to?
I dont want Ladysmith to end up like Stafford but a few new stores would be nice.
justlooking

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Jan 15, 2008
 
I hear we are getting a Goodwill. :shrug: Maybe one day there will be something nice, like a Borders.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Last I have heard, there will be a drug store next to the new goodwill. I think they both will be built in the vacant land to the left when you drive into the shopping center. Also I have heard that the shopping center will be expanded eventually to include the property to the north.(The Evanís heating and air) Iím not 100% sure on that, but itís what Iíve heard.

Also donít forget about the development going on in the business park. There are places back there that I think some people forget about, and more being built.

Have you driven North on Rt. 1 lately? If so I doubt you would have missed the work thatís being done on Ladysmith Commons. The first 2 buildings are coming along great, and they are two of an eventual 8 two story buildings that will be built to house retail, office space, and restaurants.

Also, area in front of both Pendleton and Ladysmith Village is zoned for commercial, and plans call for a grocery store in front of each community. This will be built along with lots of other commercial/retail/office buildings. And the area between rt. 1, ladysmith rd, and green road is zoned for big-box retailÖ

So more is on the way, but we need more homes to sell in Ladysmith Village and Pendleton before a lot of it will be built. You need the residential population to support bigger stores.
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Jan 18, 2008
 
Eric,
Even a super Walmart at Exit 104 would kill the business in Ladysmith as well as the county seat, Bowling Green. Studies have already shown the box stores at Massaponex are having a negative impact on local business all over Caroline. Have been watching your posts on FT and am wondering is you are either a developer or work for one. there are 12,000 plus lots already approved for building in Caroline that have no hope of services whatsoever to support them and people cannot sell their homes now. What makes you advocate for all this?
Eric

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Jan 18, 2008
 
I don't work for a developer or anything... I just try to keep up to date with what's going on (development wise) in the area.

What do you mean by "What makes you advocate for all this?"

I more just try to bring a different perspective on all of this. I am in favor of planned development, and I also support the vision of what Ladysmith can become.
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#21
Jan 18, 2008
 
Who isn't in favor of planned development? If you keep up, you will know that last Fall the old BOS passed essentially a moratorium on building permits to attempt to plug a hole in a sinking ship. Have you even looked at the county budget or attended a meeting?

Are you not reading about kids in trailers, the conditions at the ancient elementary and primary schools. The overburdened fire and rescue, there is no money for roads in the foreseeable future, the money alloted from VDOT for the 207 interchange has been nearly a decade in the making.

I have a friend who just walked awsy from her house and let it go to foreclosure, she had a semi-interested buyer and it fell through because of the wonderful brown water running out of her faucet.

There is NO MORE water. The plan to take it out of the Rappahannock River is a joke, desalinazation will not work for many reasons, the cost estimate for the plant five years ago was 9 million and the cost to pipe astronomical. The salt level at this point in the fall line is also a problem. Why do you think your tax dollar was going to the desperate search for wells?

The new BOS is seeking an impound site but we are still years away. The developers who were turned down in the last year are marshalling themselves to return to the table to see if the new BOS was dumber than the last. Lets hope not.

Ladysmith is a VERY small part of Caroline County and perhaps you need to take a drive and see where the other 80 per cent of us live and how we live.
Eric

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Jan 18, 2008
 
1. 1/3 of the population of the county lives in Ladysmith. There are 8 times more people living in Ladysmith, than the county seat (Bowling Green). In 20-30 years I think it's easy to assume that about 1/2 the county's residents will be living in Ladysmith. Calling Ladysmith a 'small' part of the county might be correct as far as geography... but when you discuss growth, Ladysmith is at the center of the discussion.

2. It appears that the county is looking to build a reservoir to be able to pull water from. This is not strange, since Spotsylvania just finished building a new one, and Stafford is in the middle of buying land to build another there. Water is much more an issue now, because of the drought during 2007... I just hope that the issue stays fresh in peoples minds, so something more is done about it than talk. I think the county should continue to push for pulling water from the river. this water could be used in a smaller plant to supply water to all areas east of AP Hill.... but to pipe water from the river to Ladysmith is crazy. If Haymount ever gets off the ground, they will need to pull water from the river.

3. Yes the county needs new schools, but calling the current ones 'ancient' is a little extreme I think. Sure, the county's schools might seem old compared to surrounding counties, but that's because counties like Spotsylvania have had to build about 20 new schools over the past 15 years. Of course the schools are going to be newer there. I went to elementary school in a school that was built in the early 1930's, and I don't think my education was any different than the kids who went to the newer schools. Yes, the schools need to be renovated... yes, the county needs new schools. But this can't happen without more money. Caroline has some of the lowest taxes in the area... maybe we need to raise taxes, to help pay for some new schools? I see people asking for the moon, but not willing to spend the money on a rocket to get there.(eh, the best I could do off the top of my head)

4. Some of the roads need improvement (including the interchanges), but at least they're looking at fixing them to handle more traffic. As far as where the high growth is happening (Ladysmith), the road improvements that need to happen to handle the new population is relatively minimal compared to how many people will be moving to the area.

Overall I think Caroline county is in a good place. Sure, you could point out all the negatives you want, but sometimes you have to look at what Caroline has going for itself. I was born and raised in Spotsylvania... I've seen it go from rural to a complete mess... I don't want to see that happen here. this is why I'm starting to get (slightly) involved... or at least speaking my mind. Hopefully you can respect that, as I respect your opinion as well.
Eric

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Jan 18, 2008
 
Isn't there already a strict development zone?

From what I've seen, it's more like a tri-angle between Ladysmith, Carmel Church, and Bowling Green. The rest of the county is supposed to stay rural, while that area developes into towns and such... A much better plan than any of the places you listed at when they were at our stage.

But one thing they should do is raise taxes. People move to Caroline for the less expencive homes, and lower taxes... you raise taxes, less people want to move here, and you have a lot more money to build new schools, widen roads, and help the fire and rescue departments.

Just the locals have to be willing to pay for the good of the county. Yes, people want a lot of things, but are they willing to pay for it?

Can you imagine if taxes were 0.70, instead of the 0.48 (or is it 0.47) now... the county would have 50% more money to work with. Whatever the county budget is now, you could multiply it by 1.5, and then use all that extra money for the good of the county. Sure, I'd have to pay another like $800 a year for county taxes, but the taxes would still be less than most other counties, and I'd have an improved county to live in.

I know most people would kill me for asking for higher taxes... but it's the best way to get money for all the projects people talk about.

The county will have to raise taxes in another 2 years anyways, when the realestate re-appraisals happen. They valued my house at over $60,000 more than I even paid for it... once the 4 years is up, I would expect to have a lower appraisal, to reflect the slower real estate market.(Unless things turn around a lot in the next 2 years)

If appraisals go down, tax revinue goes down.

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