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Eric

Lombard, IL

#44268 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Chuckle.
You notice that he didn't ask HER.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44269 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
where are my boys?
Former, where are you?
Frijoles, where are you
Eric, where are you?
I shall not be staying long so come out to play, now.
Guess that explains why your responses are so juvenile and comical.

You're only "playing."

Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ, that up is down, or night is day.

We'll all keep in mind that you're only "playing" here.

We suspected so all along.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44270 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess that explains why your responses are so juvenile and comical.
You're only "playing."
Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ, that up is down, or night is day.
We'll all keep in mind that you're only "playing" here.
We suspected so all along.
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.

But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44271 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Lecture 8 practice Based on the Teachings of Prophet Mohammad
Part-52
Pure Monotheism of Islam:
Through this shortest of surahs of the holy Quran emerges the purest and clearest concept of the Oneness of God. It leaves absolutely no chance for any form of polytheism to mar the Islamic Faith, based on the Oneness of Allah.
However, this does not mean that Prophet Muhammad’s Message has in any way weakened the bond that exists between the Most Merciful, Most Beneficent, and the Most Loving God and His servants. It has established the proper link between man and God. It has only removed the idolatry forms and physical likenesses which were the hurdles between man and God.
Man’s relation with Allah is a much purer, stronger, and higher relation than any he has known in this worldly life. Compared to it the relations between man and wife, or a father and son, or a daughter and mother are much inferior. Moreover, such similitude or metaphors lead to an error in interpretation and consequently to polytheism and doubt.
Therefore Islam says:
…Recite the name of Allah, as you would speak of your forefathers or even with greater fervor…(Chp.2:Vrs.200)
In this verse the likeness of the believers’ love for Allah to that of their love to their fathers is mentioned, and the likeness of a son’s relation with his father is avoided to explain his relation with Allah, which is on a more sublime level. No physical relationship can ever explain the bond between man and Allah.
The holy Quran goes on to say that one’s love for Allah should be greater than their love for their father:
…But those who believe are most firm in their love for Allah…(Chp.2; Vrs. 165)
Father versus Cherisher:
This means that true believers reserve their greatest love for Allah. The holy Quran does not call Allah “the father of the worlds” it rather uses the Arabic words which are best translated as “The Cherisher and the Sustainer of the worlds.”
A father’s relation with a son is temporary whereas Allah’s relation with His servants is sublime and eternal. Some Quranic words that are used to denote Allah’s Love for His servants may be translated as a father’s love for a son while others mean a mother’s love and affection for her children. But Allah is neither a father nor a mother. He is Sublime, beyond the scope of these similitudes and physical likenesses. No worldly relationship can ever adequately explain the bond that exists between Allah and His servants.
(Contd.)
rabbee: there are far too many, religious divisions in this world. for any of you, to truly lay claim to monotheism, more of less TheMonothiesm.

and if you were not expecting, me and your grandmother here in TheTorah again. then what other g-d/s, are you actually worshiping?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44272 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.
But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
Speaking of child-like, O'Reilly reminds me of a little kid not getting his way and yelling, "I hate you!" to his Mommy for daring to go up against him.

He'll throw his own religion under the bus in an attempt to make it ok for the gov't to sanction and promote it.

These are the guys usually waving the Constitution in your face.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
Voluntarist

United States

#44273 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been staying out of the fray because it's difficult to take Huggy seriously given his child-like behavior and logic.
But, not to be outdone, we now have Bill O'Reily going on TV and claiming that christianity is a philosophy, not a religion, and so not subject to 1st amendment governmental neutrality.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Fox's "War on Christmas" is moving ahead full force. Guess the Benghazi thing is wearing thin.
That is a great idea why don't atheists set up their own displays?

What is wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44275 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a great idea why don't atheists set up their own displays?
What is wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green?
There is nothing inherently wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green as long as other groups have the same right to do it. Your straw man is not what atheist groups are fighting against.

The issue arises with towns that only allow christian displays(and possibly Jewish), but no others. That is inherently illegal as it shows preference being given to some religions/beliefs and not others, clearly against the establishment cause of the 1st amendment.

The atheist position that satisfies the establishment cause is either (1) equal access to all or (2) no access to anyone. I prefer option 1. Which do you prefer?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44284 Nov 29, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
You notice that he didn't ask HER.
Which biological HER do you have in mind?

Obervation, I did ask the functional HER, HER and HER.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44285 Nov 29, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
No she isn't. She's a Christian.
Had you not esteemed yourself and your teachers ABOVE God Almighty YOU would NEVER have uttered such EVIL about your sister.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44286 Nov 29, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. We were busy elsewhere.
There are escort services for people who have needs like yours. They tell me that that you may be in luck, men are generally cheaper.
I take your "men are generally cheaper" to mean that services to men e.g. HughBE are cheaper than services provided to women e.g. YOU.

Having said that I thank you for your kind consideration but there is no need to pay for it when if I take out the BAMBOO and pee I will have an escess level of offers.
Voluntarist

United States

#44287 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing inherently wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green as long as other groups have the same right to do it. Your straw man is not what atheist groups are fighting against.
The issue arises with towns that only allow christian displays(and possibly Jewish), but no others. That is inherently illegal as it shows preference being given to some religions/beliefs and not others, clearly against the establishment cause of the 1st amendment.
The atheist position that satisfies the establishment cause is either (1) equal access to all or (2) no access to anyone. I prefer option 1. Which do you prefer?
But that Constitution is just a pesky out dated piece of paper.
And your argument against prayer in school is that non-prayer should also be tolerated?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44288 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess that explains why your responses are so juvenile and comical.
You're only "playing."
Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ, that up is down, or night is day.
We'll all keep in mind that you're only "playing" here.
We suspected so all along.
Former---Only a playful child-like mind would suggest the Jews believe in Christ

HughBe--- You are forgiven for your lack of sense, lack of knowledge and the many other lacks. YOU have at least acknowledged that the beliefs of Jews will not change their DNA or BIOLOGY.

This to ANY idiot will say that a person is a Jew BIOLOGICAL regardless of their beliefs. I have also pointed out to you the matter of LINEAGE i.e. Jews trace their LINEAGE from Abraham to Isaac, to Jacob and so on. No, LINEAGE is about RACE or BIOLOGY and every idiot outside of rabbis know this.

I have explaned to you countless times that Jews existed BEFORE they got "Judaism" and so any half-wit understands that being Jewish is INDEPENDENT of religion. I even asked you about the religion of the 10 Norther Tribes of Israel so as to help you but to no avail.

Learn this fact of HISTORY the 10 tribes of Israel DID NOT practise Judaism and they were Israel. Sit in a corner and THINK.

Tell me this did God make a covenant with Israel? If yes, tell me in brief about the covenant with Israel?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44290 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
But that Constitution is just a pesky out dated piece of paper.
And your argument against prayer in school is that non-prayer should also be tolerated?
You think the government should be in the business of picking and choosing which prayers to allow in public school?

Aren't you all about less government and free market? You want christian prayers, go to a private, christian school and leave the public schools for those that understand and respect the first amendment.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44291 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
But that Constitution is just a pesky out dated piece of paper.
And your argument against prayer in school is that non-prayer should also be tolerated?
BTW - you never answered my question:
Cult of Reason wrote:
The atheist position that satisfies the establishment cause is either (1) equal access to all or (2) no access to anyone. I prefer option 1. Which do you prefer?
Voluntarist

United States

#44293 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing inherently wrong with a group of tax payers setting up a nativity scene on the town green as long as other groups have the same right to do it. Your straw man is not what atheist groups are fighting against.
The issue arises with towns that only allow christian displays(and possibly Jewish), but no others. That is inherently illegal as it shows preference being given to some religions/beliefs and not others, clearly against the establishment cause of the 1st amendment.
The atheist position that satisfies the establishment cause is either (1) equal access to all or (2) no access to anyone. I prefer option 1. Which do you prefer?
What has the nativity scene on the town green have to do with Congress?

There are so many other constitutional issues, why do you have a bug in your ass about a nativity scene?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44295 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Tell me this did God make a covenant with Israel? If yes, tell me in brief about the covenant with Israel?
Your question is malformed. It presupposes the existence of a god. Your question should read: "Did the Israelites record a covenant which they claim came from a god?"
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44297 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU have at least acknowledged that the beliefs of Jews will not change their DNA or BIOLOGY. This to ANY idiot will say that a person is a Jew BIOLOGICAL regardless of their beliefs.


Of course. The same way that I am still Irish even though I left the Catholic church as a young man.

Being Irish is not ethnorelgious as being Jewish is.

I'm glad you agree with this.

On the flipside, people who have converted to Judaism are not automatically infused with Jewish DNA, only the relgion.

I'm glad you agree.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I have explaned to you countless times that Jews existed BEFORE they got "Judaism" and so any half-wit understands that being Jewish is INDEPENDENT of religion.
.

Yesterday I posted information indicating the origin of Judaism and the dates, BCE.

You can explain all you want, but you never disputed my sources with any of your own.

So it seems you're just blowing smoke. And coming from Jamaica, one can probably guess what kind of smoke.

Respect, Mon!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44298 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
What has the nativity scene on the town green have to do with Congress?
There are so many other constitutional issues, why do you have a bug in your ass about a nativity scene?
Again with the strawman? I have no issue with a nativity scene. I have an issue if it is the only thing allowed.

The town green is managed by local government which must comply with the constitution. It MUST show impartiality with regards to religious expressions.

If they allow equal access, then there is no issue. If they ban all displays, then there is no issue. The issue only arises when they show preference, in which case they are violating the establishment cause.

What part of this don't you understand? I'm not sure I can make it any clearer for you. Your christian privilege mentality is shining through and preventing you from thinking clearly and objectively.

And now you've introduced another argument. That because this isn't a big deal (at least in your mind), we should allow the local governments to continue violating the establishment cause. My response to that feeble argument is that if it's not such a big deal, why did the country's fore-fathers feel it important enough to make it the very first amendment in the constitution?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44301 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course. The same way that I am still Irish even though I left the Catholic church as a young man.
Being Irish is not ethnorelgious as being Jewish is.
I'm glad you agree with this.
On the flipside, people who have converted to Judaism are not automatically infused with Jewish DNA, only the relgion.
I'm glad you agree.
<quoted text>.
Yesterday I posted information indicating the origin of Judaism and the dates, BCE.
You can explain all you want, but you never disputed my sources with any of your own.
So it seems you're just blowing smoke. And coming from Jamaica, one can probably guess what kind of smoke.
Respect, Mon!!
Former---Of course. The same way that I am still Irish even though I left the Catholic church as a young man.

HughBe--- But note, your are STILL Irish but NOT Catholic. Jews are humans just like you, did you know this? So they can be JEWISH without having ANY religious beliefs. The 10 tribes were ISRAEL and they did NOT follow JUDAISM. What is so hard for you to understand?

Are the FACTS hurting you?

Former---Being Irish is not ethnorelgious as being Jewish is.

HughBe--- Who said that being Jewish was ethnoreligious? Not God. That is BS to ENSLAVE the Jewish people.

Former---I'm glad you agree with this.

HughBe--- BS

Former---On the flipside, people who have converted to Judaism are not automatically infused with Jewish DNA, only the relgion

HughBe--- Here is how you should phrase what you are trying to say. They are SPIRITUAL Jews but are certainly NOT PHYSICAL/ biological Jews.

Jews are a RACE. The emphasis on tracing LINEAGE from Abraham , Isaac, Jacob, the 12 sons etc. TELLS any IDIOT that it is BIOLOGY and not beliefs. In other words being Jewish is RACIAL first and foremost.

Tell me about the covenant that God made with Israel? Tell me the little that you know. I will not criticize you for not knowing much. I want to go somewhere with it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44302 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course. The same way that I am still Irish even though I left the Catholic church as a young man.
Being Irish is not ethnorelgious as being Jewish is.
I'm glad you agree with this.
On the flipside, people who have converted to Judaism are not automatically infused with Jewish DNA, only the relgion.
I'm glad you agree.
<quoted text>.
Yesterday I posted information indicating the origin of Judaism and the dates, BCE.
You can explain all you want, but you never disputed my sources with any of your own.
So it seems you're just blowing smoke. And coming from Jamaica, one can probably guess what kind of smoke.
Respect, Mon!!
Former---Yesterday I posted information indicating the origin of Judaism and the dates, BCE.

HughBe--- yesterday and today I shall tell you the source of true JUDAISM, it is God. He called it His WAY and His laws etc.

Are you really saying that He was LYING or that He stole the ideas from others and then claimed them as His own?

Take your head out of that hole.

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