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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Packing Heat

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Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four at minimum even though Obama LIED and said it would be cheaper.

It was one of candidate Obama’s most vivid and concrete campaign promises. Forget about high minded (some might say high sounding) but gauzy promises of hope and change. This candidate solemnly pledged on June 5, 2008:“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year... We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

Unfortunately, the experts working for Medicare’s actuary have yet again, reported that in its first 10 years, Obamacare will boost health spending by “roughly $621 billion” above the amounts Americans would have spent without this misguided law.

Let us hope NO family has already spent or borrowed the $22,500 in savings they expected over this same period had they taken this Kenyan Fraud, candidate Obama’s lying promise at face value. In truth, no well-informed American should have believed this absurd promise. At the time, Factcheck org charitably deemed this claim as “overly optimistic, misleading and to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers.”

The Washington Post less charitably awarded it Two Pinocchios “Significant omissions and exaggerations”.

Yet rather than learn from his mistakes, Obama on July 16, 2012 essentially doubled-down on his promise assuring small business owners “your premiums will go down,” knowing full well he was lying again.

He made this assertion notwithstanding the fact that in three separate reports between April 2010 and June 2012, the Medicare actuaries had demonstrated that the ACA would increase health spending by $621 Billion and then Obama gave all of his friends and supporters a waiver that was never approved by Congress.

To its credit, the Washington Post dutifully awarded the 2012 claim Three Pinocchios “Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions.”

So majority of citizens keep asking that unanswered question:

Why does Obama and The Democrat Party Hate all Americans and Love Fat Cat Corporations. They gave exemptions from Obamacare to themselves and to Fat Cats while they consider the same for Unions, yet will not consider it for average citizens, why so much hatred toward taxpaying law-abiding citizens that pay their salaries and healthcare benefits away from Obamacare because they refuse to abide by the same laws they ram down others throats? WHY SHOULD THEY BE EXEMPT?
Frank

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#47853
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This will have to be extended to all rethugs---SOOO fitting..

""Ahhh!!!!Prickly Heat,

You talk so much sh!t, that I don't know whether to offer you a breath mint or toilet paper.""
Jesse

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#47854
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HAAAAAAAA

The rethugs teabaggers and their supporters will go down next nov, 2014.

HAAAAA
Homer

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Jesse wrote:
HAAAAAAAA
The rethugs teabaggers and their supporters will go down next nov, 2014.
HAAAAA
About time!!!!
Jethro

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Like the POTUS said "It is all about the rethugs losing the election"

And they are going to loose big time in 2014.
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After 5 years of Obama, Poor People are still on the bottom rung of society and... they only have themselves and liberal retards to blame if they keep voting for these Corrupt Progressive Democrats...

Progressive Democrats in the U.S. Senate and Congress to their Obamabot Followers:
"Obamacare is good for you and your family, but not for us and our families"

Obamabots:
"Yes master, thanks for the free Obamaphone and our free foodstamps...

We like it here on the Progressive Democrat Plantation without any jobs and our Government Shutdown with our Obamacare Premium Due.
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Universal Health Care Not Best Option
By Michael D. Tanner
This article appeared in The Bulletin on February 23, 2009
Supporters of a government-run national health care system often urge the United States to learn from the experience of other countries and they are right. But those lessons may not be exactly what the political left expects. For example:

• Universal health insurance does not necessarily mean universal access to health care. In practice, many countries promise universal coverage but ration care or have extremely long waiting lists for treatment. Those countries that have single-payer systems or systems heavily weighted toward government control are the most likely to face waiting lists, rationing, restrictions on the choice of physician, and other barriers to care.

• Those countries with national health care systems that work better, such as France, the Netherlands and Switzerland, are successful to the degree that they incorporate market mechanisms such as competition, cost-consciousness, market prices, and consumer choice, and eschew centralized government control.
In France, for example, co-payments run between 10 and 40 percent, and physicians can balance bill over and above government reimbursement rates, something not allowed in the U.S. Medicare program. On average, French patients pay roughly as much out of pocket as do Americans. The Swiss government pays a smaller percentage of health care spending than does the U.S.

• Rising health care spending is not a uniquely American phenomenon. While other countries spend considerably less than the U.S. on health care both as a percentage of GDP and per capita, it is often because they begin with a lower base of expenditures. But their costs are still rising, leading to budget deficits, tax increases, and/or benefit cuts. In 2004, the last year for which data is available, the average annual increase for per capita health spending in European countries was 5.55 percent, only slightly lower than the United States’ 6.21 percent. As the Wall Street Journal notes, Europeans face steeper medical bills in the future in their cash-strapped governments. In short, there is no free lunch.
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CONTINUED FROM LAST POST...
• While no country with universal coverage is contemplating abandoning a universal system, the broad and growing trend in countries with national health care systems is to move away from centralized government control and to introduce more market oriented features. As Richard Saltman and Josep Figueras of the World Health Organization put it, The presumption of public primacy is being reassessed. Thus, even as the U.S. debates adopting a government-run system, countries with those systems are debating how to make their systems look more like the U.S.
Looking at other countries and their experiences, then, can provide guidance to Americans as we debate how to reform our health care system. In most cases, national health care systems have successfully expanded insurance coverage to the vast majority, if not quite all, of the population.

But they have not solved the universal and seemingly irresistible problem of rising health care costs. In many cases, attempts to control costs through governmental fiat have led to problems with access to care, either delays in receiving care or outright rationing.

In wrestling with this dilemma, many countries are loosening government controls and injecting market mechanisms, particularly cost-sharing by patients, market pricing of goods and services, and increased competition among insurers and providers. As Pat Cox, former president of the European Parliament, put it in a report to the European Commission, we should start to explore the power of the market as a way of achieving much better value for money?

Moreover, the growth of the government share of health care spending, which had increased steadily from the end of World War II until the mid-1980s, has stopped, and in many countries the private share has begun to increase, in some cases substantially. There is even evidence of a growing shift from public to private provision of health care.

If the trend in the U.S. over the last several years has been toward more of a European-style system, the trend in Europe is toward a system that looks more like the U.S.

Therefore, if there is a lesson which U.S. policymakers can take from national health care systems around the world, it is not to follow the road to government-run national health care, but to increase consumer incentives and control.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/u...
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Jethro wrote:
<quoted text>Like the POTUS said "It is all about the rethugs losing the election"

And they are going to loose big time in 2014.

Heard that same bullshit in 2010... how did that workout for you, ROFLMAO
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WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You should worry most about Federal prisoners being feed.

Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?

Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
So What

Mcloud, OK

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DoesntMatter wrote:
Lmfao the Obamacare website has disappeared LOL! The irony is hilarious. They can't even get a website right lol
People without Healthcare is funny to you? How's your nowhere job treating you? You should be looking for another job, your just one more Wal-Mart away from unemployment. Then who will be laughing?
WarForOil

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Packing Heat wrote:
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Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

DISMISSED,
If you could read AND understand,
you'd see I said 'you' should be worried.

Come on, General DISMISSED, do better.
Or I may actually abandon you to belittle
someone at least a little interesting.

Your cut & pastes are mostly meaningless,
and your authored stuff is 5th grade.

You're dangerous close to being ignored.

Tell us more about TOPIX censoring and
your amassed fortune. Maybe a little
more gun worship too. Is your pickup
elevated ?
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DoesntMatter wrote:
<quoted text>Lmfao the Obamacare website has disappeared LOL! The irony is hilarious. They can't even get a website right lol
And to think Liberal Retards always ignore the obvious, lol.

IRS also lost $60+ Million Dollars alotted to them to enforce it. What else could possibly go wrong, lol.
So What wrote:
<quoted text>People without Healthcare is funny to you? How's your nowhere job treating you? You should be looking for another job, your just one more Wal-Mart away from unemployment. Then who will be laughing?

Where in that post was it said "DoesntMatter" said or thought people without healthcare was funny? Take your time and re-read it... I have all day to laugh at you.

By the way, how's your nowhere life treating you lately? Perhaps you should be looking for another tit to milk on since the Government One got shut down by Democrats at 12:01am this morning, lol. Your just one election away from having to get off your ass and support your own kids for a change, lol. Then who will be laughing? ROFLMAO.

Also, if you all every do manage to get logged on to Obamacareless' Site, your coverage does not take effect until January 1st, 2014, lol...
If ever at all, ROFLMAO.
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WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You should worry most about Federal prisoners being feed.

Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?

Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>If you could read AND understand,
you'd see I said 'you' should be worried.
So you admit you have no comprehension skills was the reason you didn't see I ask what you thought I should worry about.
I accept your surrender and admission of being stupid. Nice way to avoid my question of your ignorant statement that you made...
quote: "I should worry about Federal Prisoners being feed."
What kind of feed is it that I should worry about Chester... worm feed maybe? Sorry but... I'm not worried about "Federal Prisoners being feed"... you ignorant dolt.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Come on do better. Or I may actually abandon you to belittle someone at least a little interesting.
You will quit when I decide bitch! I'm not concerned you will ever leave until I'm finished insulting and belittle you Chester.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Your cut & pastes are mostly meaningless, and your authored stuff is 5th grade.
And what you say and think is meaningless, Chester... your point was what, again?
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You're dangerous close to being ignored.
You ignorant dolt, not even remotely close so STFU. You stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us more about TOPIX censoring and your amassed fortune. Maybe a little more gun worship too. Is your pickup elevated ?
Oh' I didn't tell you?

Must not have been any of your damn business, lol...

now you can go kill your self, I'm finished with you for now.

DISMISSED Chester, lol.
WarForOil

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Packing Heat wrote:
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Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???
Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?
Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
<quoted text> So you admit you have no comprehension skills was the reason you didn't see I ask what you thought I should worry about.
I accept your surrender and admission of being stupid. Nice way to avoid my question of your ignorant statement that you made...
quote: "I should worry about Federal Prisoners being feed."
What kind of feed is it that I should worry about Chester... worm feed maybe? Sorry but... I'm not worried about "Federal Prisoners being feed"... you ignorant dolt.
<quoted text> You will quit when I decide bitch! I'm not concerned you will ever leave until I'm finished insulting and belittle you Chester.
<quoted text> And what you say and think is meaningless, Chester... your point was what, again?
<quoted text> You ignorant dolt, not even remotely close so STFU. You stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.
<quoted text> Oh' I didn't tell you?
Must not have been any of your damn business, lol...
now you can go kill your self, I'm finished with you for now.
DISMISSED Chester, lol.
Some forms of life are lower than others.
You're not interesting any longer.

It's best that you're an Okie.
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WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Some forms of life are lower than others. You're not interesting any longer. It's best that you're an Okie.
Yeah, you've never been interesting but a lot of fun to insult and belittle. I was just laughing at you earlier about you being so low in life they set the bar on the ground and it was still too high for you and you could not reach it, Chester.

Yes, I agree Oklahomans are best but... compared to you... everyone is better than you Chester.

You ignorant dolt, You'll stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.

Like I already told you, you're not going off anywhere and you will most certainly keep replying just like I said you will. You idiolize me Chester and wished you had wealth but... it will just never happen Chester, too bad for you, lol.

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DoesntMatter

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Obamacare is racist. You gotta have ID to sign up.
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DoesntMatter wrote:
Obamacare is racist. You gotta have ID to sign up.
Then it's true... those racist progressive Democrats did that to stop the poor people from signing up for healthcare coverage.

Must be that secret death panel Sarah Palin warned them about.
ROFLMAO...
Justaminute

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Funny that you two would mention this.

When you sign up for health insurance on the exchanges, you can also register to vote as well.

I'm also able to get a better policy with lower deductible at $200 a month cheaper. My husband also was able to lower his from the same company he uses now, Blue Cross.

Buying health insurance from a company...or as Repubs call it Socialism....Laughing My Ass Off At Idiot Repubs.......
Justaminute

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Of course those Repub Congressmen are losing nothing by closing government and could care less about government workers because their multi-MILLIONAIRES...

Health insurance for them...we're paying for...and the $175,000 that they make a year...especially for working less hours than any other House has in it's history...

And they are still getting paid....

And today we rack up another $50 million for simply closing the government...

Repubs and fiscal responsibility.......what a joke!

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