ARMED CITIZEN

Mooseheart, IL

#1 Dec 3, 2010
From what i read on this board, police lay-offs,armed robberies,day lite strong arm robberies,murder, home invasion, etc. State of Illinois should give us the right to carry , so we can protect ourselves. All other states have this! Why do we have to keep being victims thugs don't care about the law and carry every day and when caught are released to commit more crimes.Lets stop the madness let us protect ourselves. Change the law today!!
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#2 Dec 3, 2010
What in the heck is CCW? I have no clue, and I'm sure alot of other people don't either.
Steger res

La Crosse, WI

#3 Dec 3, 2010
What happened to the other thread on this.

CCW is Carry Concealed Weapon. Illinois is 1 of only 2 or 3 other states that doesn't allow it citizen's to carry a handgun concealed. 94% of the country can't be wrong.
Crete township

Mooseheart, IL

#4 Feb 11, 2011
49 other ststes cant be wrong,you can carry in il,its legal just so you do it the right way.The cops cant protect you so you should protect your self.
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#5 Feb 11, 2011
Sorry, but the NRA listed Arizona as one of the "best" ccw laws in the country, with the easiest ability to carry a concealed weapon. After the Arizona shooting by a whacko with a perfectly legal (by Arizona law) concealed weapon, you lost any possibility of talking me into it...
papaadoc

Chicago Heights, IL

#6 Feb 11, 2011
When these laws passed in each state, the crime rate went down in every catagory.

There is a saying, When seconds count, police are only 3 to 6 minutes away.
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#7 Feb 12, 2011
papaadoc wrote:
When these laws passed in each state, the crime rate went down in every catagory.
I don't know where you got your statistics, but you should read the cover story that TIME magazine had about the whole ccw issue a week after the ccw murder of innocent people in Arizona. The statistics they quoted for Arizona gun violence were brutal.
Crete township

Matteson, IL

#8 Feb 12, 2011
Read chicago breaking news daily,
Eric

Tinley Park, IL

#9 Feb 12, 2011
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

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Eric

Tinley Park, IL

#10 Feb 12, 2011
Criminals will always have guns and will use them. It is extremely important that Illinois change its laws and allow responsible citizens to protect themselves. The laws only keep guns away from Good people.
papaadoc

Chicago Heights, IL

#11 Feb 12, 2011
ActiveResident wrote:
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I don't know where you got your statistics, but you should read the cover story that TIME magazine had about the whole ccw issue a week after the ccw murder of innocent people in Arizona. The statistics they quoted for Arizona gun violence were brutal.
WGN radio quoted FBI stats.

Did he have a CCW? I have not heard that anywhere. You can't fix or regulate NUTS.

And as to Time magazine, don't you think some of their writers lean a little?

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