does tinley need a full time fire dep...
Taxpayer

Kokomo, IN

#103 Nov 13, 2012
Again, I am no fan of the fire department in Orland but you are comparing apples to oranges. The fire department in Orland Park covers an area nearly twice the size of Tinley Park with a much larger population as well. In addition there is an entire different scope of services provided. Tinly Park does have a Park District however which seems to inflate their tax bills like the fire depatment does mine in Orland Park. Maybe the problem is all these different taxing bodies with their HUGE administrative costs. Hmmmm.
Resident

United States

#104 Nov 13, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
Again, I am no fan of the fire department in Orland but you are comparing apples to oranges. The fire department in Orland Park covers an area nearly twice the size of Tinley Park with a much larger population as well. In addition there is an entire different scope of services provided. Tinley Park does have a Park District however which seems to inflate their tax bills like the fire depatment does mine in Orland Park. Maybe the problem is all these different taxing bodies with their HUGE administrative costs. Hmmmm.
I looked into your info. Orland Fire is bigger not twice the size though. Tinley covers a very large unincorporated area. So with that being said our taxes would still rise drastically to cover the full time personnel salary and benefits. If the department is working fine now why change it? I never hear of any complaints about the fire department. I agree if it ain't broke don't fix it.
dave

Oak Lawn, IL

#105 Nov 15, 2012
It's not necessarily the fire dept. That's broke. It's the poor EMS. And people, be honest, who has had to use Trace and has been happy with the service they received? I know I am not happy and plan on calling a lawyer. I'm sure they aren't all bad Medics, but I have a sick relative that lives with us and unfortunatly we have to call Trace a lot. And I never have had a good experience. They even have trouble when they have to bring her home from the hospital. They can't even do that right. That's what really needs to change. And I am more than willing to pay a bit more taxes for piece of mind and better EMS services. I say go full time TPFD and take over the EMS. it has to be better than It is now.
Misguided

Chicago, IL

#106 Nov 16, 2012
dave wrote:
It's not necessarily the fire dept. That's broke. It's the poor EMS. And people, be honest, who has had to use Trace and has been happy with the service they received? I know I am not happy and plan on calling a lawyer. I'm sure they aren't all bad Medics, but I have a sick relative that lives with us and unfortunatly we have to call Trace a lot. And I never have had a good experience. They even have trouble when they have to bring her home from the hospital. They can't even do that right. That's what really needs to change. And I am more than willing to pay a bit more taxes for piece of mind and better EMS services. I say go full time TPFD and take over the EMS. it has to be better than It is now.
I have to ask you a few questions. Why have you not gone to a village board meeting and addressed the Mayor and board. If they do not hear from residents like you who has personally used Trace and is not satisfied they cannot correct the problem. I attend most meeting and have never once heard you address the board. Why?
If you are not happy with Trace why would you use them to bring your family member home? Not to smart. You can request another private ambulance if you are not satisfied with Trace.
And please explain to me how TPFD going fulltime would solve this problem. Changing to a contract medic service would be better and cost a fraction of the cost. You need to do some research prior to posting. It is people like you who have no clue how much it would cost for the government to provide services and say blindly go ahead. Our county, state and country is in a mess because of people like you being irresponsible and giving the green light to politicians to spend spend spend.
There is far better ways to rectify the problem and it would cost much less then just go willy nilly and hire a bunch of full time firefighter paramedics. Your taxes would soar with the additional salaries and benefits. Of course you are probably the same person who keeps on re electing the politicians who got us into this mess in the first place. Politicians love uneducated voters like yourself. They have a job for life with people like you running around.
Resident

United States

#107 Nov 16, 2012
Misguided wrote:
<quoted text>I have to ask you a few questions. Why have you not gone to a village board meeting and addressed the Mayor and board. If they do not hear from residents like you who has personally used Trace and is not satisfied they cannot correct the problem. I attend most meeting and have never once heard you address the board. Why?
If you are not happy with Trace why would you use them to bring your family member home? Not to smart. You can request another private ambulance if you are not satisfied with Trace.
And please explain to me how TPFD going fulltime would solve this problem. Changing to a contract medic service would be better and cost a fraction of the cost. You need to do some research prior to posting. It is people like you who have no clue how much it would cost for the government to provide services and say blindly go ahead. Our county, state and country is in a mess because of people like you being irresponsible and giving the green light to politicians to spend spend spend.
There is far better ways to rectify the problem and it would cost much less then just go willy nilly and hire a bunch of full time firefighter paramedics. Your taxes would soar with the additional salaries and benefits. Of course you are probably the same person who keeps on re electing the politicians who got us into this mess in the first place. Politicians love uneducated voters like yourself. They have a job for life with people like you running around.
Very good point. Very well said.
Midlothian Resident

Blue Island, IL

#108 Nov 16, 2012
Becareful what you wish for. The village of Midlothian is in trouble money wise. The full time fire department has a very large budget. It has been brought up how can Tinley Park have a part time department and Midlothian can not? We are in the process of looking at going part time just like you. The salaries and benefits for full time firefighters are tremendous. Keep it the way you have it. Trust me it will cost you a lot for the same service. So far no one is able to prove that a full time union fire department is better than what you have except full time union firefighter but all of their reasons have been debunked.
mine is bigger

Orland Park, IL

#109 Nov 20, 2012
Orland fire's area is twice as big (33 sq miles compared to Tinley's 15). Orland Fire also covers the Village of Orland Hills and a large unincorporated area also ( 25,000+ residents in unincorp area)
mine is bigger

Orland Park, IL

#110 Nov 20, 2012
jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Trace does not save residents money. The residents are paying for the contract costs with their taxes. Then they.get.billed from trace as well. Now insurance does pick up the majority of the cost, which for the residents that pay their taxes should end there, but Trace goes after the entire cost. Fire depts. Don't bill the residents that already pay for the services with their tax money. Trace will send you to collections for whatever the remainder of the cost is after insurance. If you don't have coverage, then you pay the entire cost. Believe me, I've been on the receiving end of a trace medic and their bill. Both are not good. I'm self employed and do not have insurance and had to pay for the poor services I received. Have friends on several fire depts. All of which told me that we, the residents are getting bent over and screwed by paying for the contract with tax money and getting billed as well. Then getting mediocre service on top of it. Now I don't know of everyone that has had to call trace, but the people I do know have had horrible experiences. I think its time for change. Enough getting screwed!
Jeff you are mistaken. Most fire departments (around Tinley) do bill for EMS service. They bill your insurance and whatever is not paid they (the FDs) write off. Is a standard practice and the payments from insurance usually covers the cost to run EMS for the entire dept. it's self sustaining.
jeff

Oak Lawn, IL

#111 Nov 21, 2012
mine is bigger wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeff you are mistaken. Most fire departments (around Tinley) do bill for EMS service. They bill your insurance and whatever is not paid they (the FDs) write off. Is a standard practice and the payments from insurance usually covers the cost to run EMS for the entire dept. it's self sustaining.


You are exactly right. My point here Is Trace will send you to collections for whatever insurance does not cover. And you pay for it all if you dont have insurance. The surrounding depts. Do not do that. Thats the point.
Oh really

Chicago Heights, IL

#112 Nov 22, 2012
Throw that ISO rating on a fire and see what happens. All ISO means is that you pay attention to the little things like training reports, using punctuation in your nifers reports and other management level BS. The ISO evaluators dont make calls with they guys/gals to see actual performance, they look at paperwork. paperwork does not show how good of a service is provided Lets face it they are a three because of the training. And again I say throw those certs on a fire, lets see what happens.
HEY wrote:
<quoted text> First of all you do not know what you are talking about, Tinley Park has many firefighters who are EMT,s or Paramedics and they work very well with private EMS. Second of all Tinley is a class 3 ISO department that is not only one of the best and most respected in the entire state and they are staffed 27/7 by a part time staff of some of the best firefighters around. To cut it short the village is saving you the tax payer big bucks and the firefighters are giving with their time and hearts, as a full time member of another department I can tell you Tinley Park does a great job and the guys are second to none. When was the last time you got out of bed at 2am when its 10 below zero for about 8 bucks to fight a house fire or respond to an accident on I-80. You want full time paramedics then go to school and when the village does hire someday you have a reason to fill out an application.
jeff

Oak Lawn, IL

#113 Nov 22, 2012
ISO doesn't mean shit. It used to be recognized by insurance companies and homeowners got their fire coverages just a hair cheaper. But no one cares about ISO anymore.
Joesoeph

Oak Lawn, IL

#114 Nov 22, 2012
I have gone to board meetings and voiced my opinion about the poor EMS service that the village supplies. It doesn't get taken seriously. There needs to be a lot of people there to be heard. My voice alone doesn't get far. But the voice of many will be heard. And maybe some media attention would help things along. More and more people need to start going to board meetings and speak out. The more noise we make the harder It Is to ignore. Let's do it!

Since: Dec 11

Chicago

#115 Nov 23, 2012
I'm confused as to why you people think that if the FD gets EMS services that your quality of care will change. You do realize that the paramedics at Trace carry the same exact paramedic license as anybody on a FD? If anything you will get worse service because the people on a FD only want to do calls involving fire services. They only get cranky and annoyed when they HAVE TO do any type of ambulance call. My point is, it doesn't matter who is running the EMS calls, you will have good paramedics and bad paramedics wherever you go. Just depends on the day.
Joesoeph

United States

#116 Nov 26, 2012
TylerDurden9087 wrote:
I'm confused as to why you people think that if the FD gets EMS services that your quality of care will change. You do realize that the paramedics at Trace carry the same exact paramedic license as anybody on a FD? If anything you will get worse service because the people on a FD only want to do calls involving fire services. They only get cranky and annoyed when they HAVE TO do any type of ambulance call. My point is, it doesn't matter who is running the EMS calls, you will have good paramedics and bad paramedics wherever you go. Just depends on the day.
It does make a difference. A full time dept. With full time EMS is very different. When a crew works together they pick.up on each others weaknesses and strengths. Both the FD and EMS do not have the same people working together every shift. It's a toss up everyday. Now there are Kelly days, vacation and sick time on a full time dept. But the majority of a crew remains in.tact every shift. When u work with someone different every shift, its tough to get in tune with one another and by the time things click, shifts over and you start over with someone else. Continuity of care is important. You do not have that with different crews every single day. It's better when you work together all the time. You dont have to re-train your partner every day. Just makes sense.

Since: Dec 11

Chicago

#117 Nov 26, 2012
Joesoeph wrote:
<quoted text>
It does make a difference. A full time dept. With full time EMS is very different. When a crew works together they pick.up on each others weaknesses and strengths. Both the FD and EMS do not have the same people working together every shift. It's a toss up everyday. Now there are Kelly days, vacation and sick time on a full time dept. But the majority of a crew remains in.tact every shift. When u work with someone different every shift, its tough to get in tune with one another and by the time things click, shifts over and you start over with someone else. Continuity of care is important. You do not have that with different crews every single day. It's better when you work together all the time. You dont have to re-train your partner every day. Just makes sense.
My partner and I are both paramedics and don't have to retrain anybody. If you are professional it doesn't matter who you are with. You get the job done right the first time. To speak that way about a private ambulance as a whole is not fair. It's also not fair to speak that way about the FD. You can't generalize something like that. The fact of the matter is, like I said, it doesn't matter, you have good paramedics and bad and they work for FD's and and privates. You can't judge an entire situation because of one or two instances or one or two individuals.
DB Cooper

Oak Lawn, IL

#118 Nov 27, 2012
Tyler Durden, ur a tool. Really, Tyler Durden is the name u picked? what a tool! You are also an idiot. What Joe said is accurate, not only in the fire dept, but in any business. It makes sense to have the same people work together. After awhile, the job gets done better and better. One guys weakness is anothers strength. And NO U DON'T GET THAT WHEN U CONSTANTLY WORK WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE. open ur eyes. It works better In business.

Since: Dec 11

Chicago

#119 Nov 28, 2012
DB Cooper wrote:
Tyler Durden, ur a tool. Really, Tyler Durden is the name u picked? what a tool! You are also an idiot. What Joe said is accurate, not only in the fire dept, but in any business. It makes sense to have the same people work together. After awhile, the job gets done better and better. One guys weakness is anothers strength. And NO U DON'T GET THAT WHEN U CONSTANTLY WORK WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE. open ur eyes. It works better In business.
Your ignorance is your weakness. Your choice of words is your proof. Have a nice day.
Mike

Chicago, IL

#120 Jan 7, 2013
I'm a Tinley Resident. I would pay extra taxes just to get rid of Trace. They were unprofessional, and seemed to be confused and not knowledgeable when I had to call them for my wife who is I'll. They just didn't seem to know what they were doing. I had to ask a few times if they were actually going to do something. They were standing there with blank looks in their faces. It was the same thing when I was in a car accident. The Firefighters who had yo force my floor took such good care of me. Then once I was in the ambulance, that changed. They were not very professional and were arguing with each other on what to do. Right in front of me. When I called to complain, I was told they would look into it and get back to me. That was 7 months ago. Still haven't heard anything. And I plan on calling to complain about the care, or lack of, my wife received. Trace is horrible. I keep hearing that not all of them are bad and so on, where are the good ones?
Planet Peloquin

Elmhurst, IL

#121 Jan 7, 2013
Mike wrote:
I'm a Tinley Resident. I would pay extra taxes just to get rid of Trace. They were unprofessional, and seemed to be confused and not knowledgeable when I had to call them for my wife who is I'll. They just didn't seem to know what they were doing. I had to ask a few times if they were actually going to do something. They were standing there with blank looks in their faces. It was the same thing when I was in a car accident. The Firefighters who had yo force my floor took such good care of me. Then once I was in the ambulance, that changed. They were not very professional and were arguing with each other on what to do. Right in front of me. When I called to complain, I was told they would look into it and get back to me. That was 7 months ago. Still haven't heard anything. And I plan on calling to complain about the care, or lack of, my wife received. Trace is horrible. I keep hearing that not all of them are bad and so on, where are the good ones?
Mike, have you not figured it out yet. Nobody cares.
Mike

Chicago, IL

#122 Jan 7, 2013
That's the problem. NOBODY cares. And it shows in the paramedics attitudes and performances. But as long as Nobody cares, it will never change.

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