A Moratorium on Weddings at a New Haven, CT Church

Jan 23, 2008 | Posted by: Thomas Jackson | Full story: www.nytimes.com

In a protest against the Episcopal Church's refusal to allow same-sex marriages, the leaders of a church in the stately East Rock section of this city have announced that they will perform no marriage ceremonies at all.

The decision, conveyed on Thursday in a letter from the priest to the 115 families of St. Thomas's Episcopal Church, is a novel challenge to the social and religious barriers to marriage between homosexuals.

Some Episcopal churches have handled the problem by offering gay couples a blessing ceremony that is not legally considered a marriage. Lay leaders at St. Thomas's have decided that the absence of a ritual at the heart of a church's spiritual and social functions is a powerful way to protest what they consider a form of religious discrimination.

The church has adopted the new policy even though no gay couples have asked to be married there.

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“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#23
Jan 26, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
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"This is the KJV
and guess how many
times my computer
found that word ?"
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~That's~ a good hermeneutic ! The Bible can't refer
to homosexuality unless it expressly uses the word
"homosexual" ?
So, when Leviticus 18:22 says:
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a
female; it is an abomination" (NASB)
...it can't refer to homosexuality because the word
"homosexual" isn't present ?
You perverts will do ANYTHING to make God's Word
seem like it's not saying what it says !
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The DataRat
Exegetical Police
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There is and was no word in Aramiac or Hebrew for homosexual. Keep hatin' rat.

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Jan 26, 2008
 
TEXASGRANDMA wrote:
"The Episcoipal denomination is no longer a Christian
church.
They've become a pagan "church" !"
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I agree
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Keep your "doctrine" to yourself...Doctrine is why Jesus condemned the Pharisee tradition for traditions sake is unreasonable, unless you believe the sun rotates around the earth, as found in the Bible.

Love your neighbor as yourself- Jesus I don't see the "as long as you agree with them", grams.

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Jan 27, 2008
 
,

"There is and
was no word
in Aramiac or
Hebrew for
homosexual"

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True. Sodomy is so reprehensible that it didn't
even merit a name !

But you delude yourself. They described the act
rather than named it. Hence, "You shall not lie
with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
abomination" (Leviticus 18:22 NASB).

A description of sodomy suffices in lieu of a
name for it !

.

The DataRat

Exegetical Cops

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“The free grace of God”

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Jan 27, 2008
 
.

Astute observers of this debate will notice:

Bro. Rat cites Scripture to prove his points
about Jesus and Christianity.

Mr. Middle Way doesn't. He just makes bare
assertions without any substantiation.

This because his comments about Jesus and the
religion of Christ are merely his fancififul
fictive inventions ! What he wants "Jesus" to
be like rather than what the historical and
real Jesus taught.

His "Jesus" isn't the Jesus we know from the
only extant record of Jesus' life and teachings.
His "Jesus" is the alter ego of Mr. Middle Way !

"Jesus' as Middle Way's sock puppet.

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The DataRat

sola Scriptura !

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#28
Jan 27, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
.
Astute observers of this debate will notice:
Bro. Rat cites Scripture to prove his points
about Jesus and Christianity.
Mr. Middle Way doesn't. He just makes bare
assertions without any substantiation.
This because his comments about Jesus and the
religion of Christ are merely his fancififul
fictive inventions ! What he wants "Jesus" to
be like rather than what the historical and
real Jesus taught.
His "Jesus" isn't the Jesus we know from the
only extant record of Jesus' life and teachings.
His "Jesus" is the alter ego of Mr. Middle Way !
"Jesus' as Middle Way's sock puppet.
.
The DataRat
sola Scriptura !
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Dear Rat,

This "astute observer" has noticed that you are truly nothing but a bigot, and that you use the bible and its misused translations to further your cause of hatred and divisiveness. Just to let you know, I think you are a vile, worthless creature. Your "debate" brings nothing to inspire anyone to any religious cause. You espouse hate and think you are cute. You are nothing but a jerk. Jesus would have nothing to do with.

“A Militant Homosexual”

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Jan 27, 2008
 
Wayne wrote:
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Dear Rat,
This "astute observer" has noticed that you are truly nothing but a bigot, and that you use the bible and its misused translations to further your cause of hatred and divisiveness. Just to let you know, I think you are a vile, worthless creature. Your "debate" brings nothing to inspire anyone to any religious cause. You espouse hate and think you are cute. You are nothing but a jerk. Jesus would have nothing to do with.
Oh please. You poor persecuted, much maligned, ignorant religious zealot. Guess what? He's right, you're not, end of discussion.

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Jan 27, 2008
 
Sorry Wayne, my post was intended for The Rat, not you. I hit reply on the wrong post by mistake and wasn't paying close enough attention...

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Jan 28, 2008
 
.

"You espouse hate
and think you are
cute. You are
nothing but a jerk.
Jesus would have
nothing to do with."

.

Bro. Rat constantly cites Scripture in support of
what he says Jesus taught.

You guys, in stark contrast, never quote God's Word.
Your "Jesus" which you claim to speak for is purely
an invention of your vain imagination.

Raticus will take the Jesus of the Bible over your
personal Sock Puppet "Jesus", any time !

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Talking about being "cute"...

You call El Raton a "jerk" and "a vile, worthless
creature".

But, Bro. Rat preaches "hate" while ~you~ don't.
Oh, ye hypocrits !

.

Somehow, though, Raticus won't cry himself to sleep
tonight over your comments.

We Christians expect to be reviled. If the godless
didn't, it'd indicate we are derelict.

Bro. Rat shall continue to promulgate what God in
His Word says about sin and perversion. And you
shall continue to reject both that Word ~and~ God !

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The DataRat

Law & Gospel

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“The free grace of God”

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#33
Jan 28, 2008
 
.

"you are truly
nothing but a
bigot"

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Raticus wrote "astute observers".~You~ in contrast
obviously aren't in that category.
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The DataRat

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Jan 28, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
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"You espouse hate
and think you are
cute. You are
nothing but a jerk.
Jesus would have
nothing to do with."
.
Bro. Rat constantly cites Scripture in support of
what he says Jesus taught.
You guys, in stark contrast, never quote God's Word.
Your "Jesus" which you claim to speak for is purely
an invention of your vain imagination.
Raticus will take the Jesus of the Bible over your
personal Sock Puppet "Jesus", any time !
.
Talking about being "cute"...
You call El Raton a "jerk" and "a vile, worthless
creature".
But, Bro. Rat preaches "hate" while ~you~ don't.
Oh, ye hypocrits !
.
Somehow, though, Raticus won't cry himself to sleep
tonight over your comments.
We Christians expect to be reviled. If the godless
didn't, it'd indicate we are derelict.
Bro. Rat shall continue to promulgate what God in
His Word says about sin and perversion. And you
shall continue to reject both that Word ~and~ God !
.
The DataRat
Law & Gospel
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"I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die."

"I do not judge anyone who hears my words and does not keep them, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

"I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

"for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.

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#35
Jan 28, 2008
 
I searched a PDF copy of the KJV of the Bible, I got it on eBay, on my computer and it could not find even one mention of the word homosexual.

Either you are lying or my computer is.

We all know that computes are mindless and can’t lie; I guess that leaves you as the liar…(Or mindless… take your pick.)

For more about the Bible and God, go to www.evilbible.com . No spin, just history in God’s own words.
Jose wrote:
Jesus Christ is not a liar. Those who choose to depart from His clear teachings will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God. Now all you sodomites out there are free to find a church that tells you otherwise. Such as this new Episcopalian church. But it is a dead church for dead souls.
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Homosexuality is a lie, there is nothin truthfull about it. It is NOT God's way, it is the way to damnation for your soul.

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The DataRat wrote:
.
Astute observers of this debate will notice:
Bro. Rat cites Scripture to prove his points
about Jesus and Christianity.
Mr. Middle Way doesn't. He just makes bare
assertions without any substantiation.
This because his comments about Jesus and the
religion of Christ are merely his fancififul
fictive inventions ! What he wants "Jesus" to
be like rather than what the historical and
real Jesus taught.
His "Jesus" isn't the Jesus we know from the
only extant record of Jesus' life and teachings.
His "Jesus" is the alter ego of Mr. Middle Way !
"Jesus' as Middle Way's sock puppet.
.
The DataRat
sola Scriptura !
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It's so sad to think your god lives in a book.
My God LIVES!

You think you know the Bible, but you continue to pick and choose what suits you.

So sad, you are everything Jesus warned us about.

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Feb 1, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
,
"There is and
was no word
in Aramiac or
Hebrew for
homosexual"
.
True. Sodomy is so reprehensible that it didn't
even merit a name !
But you delude yourself. They described the act
rather than named it. Hence, "You shall not lie
with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
abomination" (Leviticus 18:22 NASB).
A description of sodomy suffices in lieu of a
name for it !
.
The DataRat
Exegetical Cops
.
Show me a gay man who lays with a man as he would a woman. Get it? A gay man having sex with a woman is unnatural. A straight man laying with a gay man is unnatural.

Nahm you little brain can't comphend things unless they are black and white, not the way the real world is.

so sad.....

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#38
Feb 1, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
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We Christians expect to be reviled.
You are not a Christian. Nothing you have said remotely resembles the teachings of Christ. You are a sad, pathetic, probably mentally ill/personality disturbed creature who longs for acceptance from someone. Hence, your disturbed diatribes against the gay community make you think that you belong to that disturbed group of evangelicals. Follow the teachings of Christ, not the rantings of pseudo-Christians.

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#39
Feb 4, 2008
 
The DataRat wrote:
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"You shall not lie
with a male as one
lies with a female;
it is an abomination"
(Leviticus 18:22 NASB)
When you reject the Word of God, you reject God !
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The DataRat
vox reformata
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That's what, the fifth translation. ANd who knows how many translations weren't approved by King James before this one made it through. Even so, Leviticus warns against all sorts of things, wearing cotton with linen, for example, that modern Christians are just fine with ignoring and writing off as being unimportant. Why is it this one part of Leviticus that still matters to you? Oh yeah, because it's the one you don't want to do. It's a lot easier to be righteous when the only rules you accept are the easy ones and the only people going to Hell are other people, isn't it.

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Feb 4, 2008
 
Really? Precisely what DID your jesus say about gays?
Jose wrote:
Jesus Christ is not a liar. Those who choose to depart from His clear teachings will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God. Now all you sodomites out there are free to find a church that tells you otherwise. Such as this new Episcopalian church. But it is a dead church for dead souls.
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Homosexuality is a lie, there is nothin truthfull about it. It is NOT God's way, it is the way to damnation for your soul.

“Reality is better than truth”

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#41
Feb 4, 2008
 
Gee, in biblical times, marriage was a contract between two men--the husband-to-be and the bride's father. She had no say in the matter. Is THAT the kind of christian marriage you want?
The DataRat wrote:
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"it is a dead
church for dead
souls"
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The Episcoipal denomination is no longer a Christian
church.
They've become a pagan "church" !
God's Word clearly and unmistakably denies that
sodomites shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
Now we got the heathen St. Thomas Episcopal Church
refusing to marry those the Bible says should marry
because they want to marry those who the Bible says
shouldn't marry !
This ain't of God... it's of Satan.
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#42
Feb 4, 2008
 
First of all, there isn't any proof that your jesus ever existed. Going by the only source--the NT--jesus had nothing whatsoever to say about gays, or sex between men or between women. You are quoting other portions of the bible because he never said anything close to what you are proposing. What he DID talk about was the sin of judging others, just like you are doing now. The bible is also very clear on blasphemy--pretending to know what your god thinks and pretending to speak fo rhim are both big-time blasphemy.
The DataRat wrote:
.
Astute observers of this debate will notice:
Bro. Rat cites Scripture to prove his points
about Jesus and Christianity.
Mr. Middle Way doesn't. He just makes bare
assertions without any substantiation.
This because his comments about Jesus and the
religion of Christ are merely his fancififul
fictive inventions ! What he wants "Jesus" to
be like rather than what the historical and
real Jesus taught.
His "Jesus" isn't the Jesus we know from the
only extant record of Jesus' life and teachings.
His "Jesus" is the alter ego of Mr. Middle Way !
"Jesus' as Middle Way's sock puppet.
.
The DataRat
sola Scriptura !
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