A Moratorium on Weddings at a New Haven, CT Church

There are 20 comments on the Jan 23, 2008, www.nytimes.com story titled A Moratorium on Weddings at a New Haven, CT Church. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

In a protest against the Episcopal Church's refusal to allow same-sex marriages, the leaders of a church in the stately East Rock section of this city have announced that they will perform no marriage ceremonies at all.

The decision, conveyed on Thursday in a letter from the priest to the 115 families of St. Thomas's Episcopal Church, is a novel challenge to the social and religious barriers to marriage between homosexuals.

Some Episcopal churches have handled the problem by offering gay couples a blessing ceremony that is not legally considered a marriage. Lay leaders at St. Thomas's have decided that the absence of a ritual at the heart of a church's spiritual and social functions is a powerful way to protest what they consider a form of religious discrimination.

The church has adopted the new policy even though no gay couples have asked to be married there.

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Since: Dec 07

Chico, CA

#1 Jan 23, 2008
This is one approach in avoiding the chorus of shrill homophobic accusations that some devious kind of lifestyle is being endorsed. By eliminating all marriages they have removed the possibility of having to placate the lunatic fringe.

“Editor of Gay News Blog”

Since: Feb 06

CA & CT

#2 Jan 24, 2008
rbird wrote:
This is one approach in avoiding the chorus of shrill homophobic accusations that some devious kind of lifestyle is being endorsed. By eliminating all marriages they have removed the possibility of having to placate the lunatic fringe.
Um, did you get their point? No one accused them of homophobia. No one has even asked for a "gay marriage" service. The church acted as a matter of principle, not out of fear. I mean, you did read the story before you commented - right?
Wayne

Bangkok, Thailand

#3 Jan 24, 2008
rbird wrote:
This is one approach in avoiding the chorus of shrill homophobic accusations that some devious kind of lifestyle is being endorsed. By eliminating all marriages they have removed the possibility of having to placate the lunatic fringe.
May all your children be gay. Perfect karma!
Anthony

Newington, CT

#4 Jan 24, 2008
Wayne wrote:
<quoted text>
May all your children be gay. Perfect karma!
hahaha
good one
KGC

Springfield, IL

#5 Jan 24, 2008
Dear Friends,

Though I can see the point of this action by the priest, the action does not promote overcoming the problem. The action is a protest to a policy that attempts to leave people out of Christ's invitation to attend the Feast and to have the right of entry into the Kingdom of God and that also attempts to simultaneously block all points of entry in defiance of Christ's assertion that he alone is the Gateway.

But, I see the action as ultimately self-defeating. People will find an alternate way and place to get married, whether heterosexual or gay or lesbian or transexual. Is the reason for this action that the priest's bishop is forbidding the priest from conducting the consecration of the marriage of a G,L or T couple?

If the State of Connecticut does not permit the civil marriage of a gay, lesbian or transexual couple, then that is what should be addressed. Let such a couple go up to New Hampshire and get a civil union. Then, let them come back to Connecticut and have their union blessed by the New Haven priest. If the priest truly believes that he or she is right, he or she will suffer the consequences of conducting the blessing without fear of reprisal.

KGC

Since: Nov 07

Atlanta, GA

#6 Jan 24, 2008
Wow you spun that better than the Fox Noise Channel spins... are you dizzy?
rbird wrote:
This is one approach in avoiding the chorus of shrill homophobic accusations that some devious kind of lifestyle is being endorsed. By eliminating all marriages they have removed the possibility of having to placate the lunatic fringe.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#8 Jan 24, 2008
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It's quite obvious the Episcopal false church
is no longer Christian.

As a pagan "church" they can cater to perverts.

"You shall not lie
with a male as one
lies with a female;
it is an abomination"
(Leviticus 18:22 NASB)

When you reject the Word of God, you reject God !

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The DataRat

vox reformata

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KGC

Springfield, IL

#9 Jan 24, 2008
Well, Data, here's the deal:
The DataRat wrote:
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It's quite obvious the Episcopal false church
is no longer Christian.
As a pagan "church" they can cater to perverts.
"You shall not lie
with a male as one
lies with a female;
it is an abomination"
(Leviticus 18:22 NASB)
When you reject the Word of God, you reject God !
.
The DataRat
vox reformata
.
You are neither the judge, nor the jury and you are certainly not the voice of the Reformation. You are just a simple bigot, hiding behind a misunderstanding. But, of course, this is America and we all defend your right to speak of your ignorance in reasonable civil freedom.
When you get to the point of knocking on the door that Jesus says that he alone gets to open, be sure to peek through the keyhole or around the corner at who is in there, first. You may get cold feet about actually stepping across the threshhold, after you realize just who he has chosen to let in.
KGC
Jose

Cleveland, OH

#10 Jan 24, 2008
Jesus Christ is not a liar. Those who choose to depart from His clear teachings will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God. Now all you sodomites out there are free to find a church that tells you otherwise. Such as this new Episcopalian church. But it is a dead church for dead souls.

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Homosexuality is a lie, there is nothin truthfull about it. It is NOT God's way, it is the way to damnation for your soul.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#11 Jan 24, 2008
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"You are neither
the judge, nor
the jury"

.

God is. But you don't believe that either, or you'd
believe His Word !

.
.

"who he has
chosen to let
in"

.

He tells us who He has chosen: Those who REPENT and
believe (Matthew 3:2)!

And whom He excludes: The unrepentant, defiant
sinners like you sodomites (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

And, He couldn't make this any more plain. It
all being clearly written out for you !

.
.

"you are certainly
not the voice of
the Reformation"

.

A topic you obviously are completely ignorant about
if you think the Great Reformers condoned perverts.

No, your position is neither that of the Reformation
nor even that of Christianity. It's pure heathenism.

.

The DataRat

vox reformata

.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#12 Jan 24, 2008
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"it is a dead
church for dead
souls"

.

The Episcoipal denomination is no longer a Christian
church.

They've become a pagan "church" !

God's Word clearly and unmistakably denies that
sodomites shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now we got the heathen St. Thomas Episcopal Church
refusing to marry those the Bible says should marry
because they want to marry those who the Bible says
shouldn't marry !

This ain't of God... it's of Satan.

.

The DataRat

Theology Police

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Since: Nov 07

Atlanta, GA

#13 Jan 24, 2008
Itís clear, same sex couples are better at honoring their marriage vows than opposite sex couples.

There are two kinds of marriage, civil and religious.

Homosexual can already get married in the eyes of God, so why not in the eyes of the government that we support with not only our money, but also our lives.

To those against same sex marriage, I promise not to get married in your church if you promise to let me get married in mine. What is so hard to understand about equal civil rightsÖ

In addition, hereís a bet no one seems to want to take. Iíve offered it to Bill Oíreily and to others but they donít have any donuts to bet against my dollars.

Since same sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts, who do you think has the highest divorce rate? I will bet anyone, dollars to donuts, that the heterosexual divorce rate is higher. Any takers? I thought not.

Well itís straights by over two to one.

Since homosexual marriage has been legal in Massachusetts, only 6% of same-sex marriages have ended in divorce, but almost 15% of opposite sex marriages have.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#14 Jan 24, 2008
.

"It&#8217;s clear,
same sex couples
are better at
honoring their
marriage vows
than opposite
sex couples"

.

And it's even more clear that God in His Bible
condemns sodomy as an "abomination".

.
.

"Homosexual can
already get
married in the
eyes of God"

.

Your pagan god. The God of the Bible says homosexuals
shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

.
.

"I promise not
to get married
in your church
if you promise
to let me get
married in mine"

.

Don't try to negotiate your sin with Bro. Rat.

It's the Lord who finds homosexuality detestable !

Raticus can't send you to Hell. But, God shall.

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The DataRat

Doctrinal SWAT Team

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“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#15 Jan 25, 2008
Jose wrote:
Jesus Christ is not a liar. Those who choose to depart from His clear teachings will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God. Now all you sodomites out there are free to find a church that tells you otherwise. Such as this new Episcopalian church. But it is a dead church for dead souls.
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Homosexuality is a lie, there is nothin truthfull about it. It is NOT God's way, it is the way to damnation for your soul.
Where did Jesus say this?

Do you know what an abomination is? It means unclean and was "cured" by a ritual bath.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#16 Jan 25, 2008
.

"Do you know
what an
abomination is?
It means unclean
and was 'cured'
by a ritual bath."

.

There we have it ! A guy who doesn't believe the
Bible telling us what the Bible means !

Gotta love it.

.
.

"Where did Jesus
say this ?"

.

We've already cited you God's Word... chapter and
verse.

But the Bible is a closed book to the unregenerate
like yourself.

.

The DataRat

analogia totius scripturae

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Since: Nov 07

Atlanta, GA

#17 Jan 25, 2008
I have a pdf copy of the Bible, got it on eBay, on my computer and I asked Adobe to search for the word homosexual.

This is the KJV and guess how many times my computer found that word?

So either you are lying or my computer is... and we all know computers can't lie.
The DataRat wrote:
.
"It&#8217;s clear,
same sex couples
are better at
honoring their
marriage vows
than opposite
sex couples"
.
And it's even more clear that God in His Bible
condemns sodomy as an "abomination".
.
.
"Homosexual can
already get
married in the
eyes of God"
.
Your pagan god. The God of the Bible says homosexuals
shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
.
.
"I promise not
to get married
in your church
if you promise
to let me get
married in mine"
.
Don't try to negotiate your sin with Bro. Rat.
It's the Lord who finds homosexuality detestable !
Raticus can't send you to Hell. But, God shall.
.
The DataRat
Doctrinal SWAT Team
.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#18 Jan 25, 2008
.

"This is the KJV
and guess how many
times my computer
found that word ?"

.

~That's~ a good hermeneutic ! The Bible can't refer
to homosexuality unless it expressly uses the word
"homosexual" ?

So, when Leviticus 18:22 says:

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a
female; it is an abomination" (NASB)

...it can't refer to homosexuality because the word
"homosexual" isn't present ?

You perverts will do ANYTHING to make God's Word
seem like it's not saying what it says !

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The DataRat

Exegetical Police

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“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#19 Jan 25, 2008
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One more time, for the reading-comprehension impaired:

"Do not be deceived; neither
fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor ~homosexuals~, nor thieves,
nor the covetous, nor drunkards,
nor revilers, nor swindlers,
shall inherit the kingdom of
God" (1 Corinthians 6:9 NASB)

Not that Bro. Rat supposes this means anything to you.

When perverts read the verse, all they see is: "Gay
Rights !".

The Bible truly is a closed book to the unregenerate !

.

The DataRat

sola Scriptura

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TEXASGRANDMA

Issaquah, WA

#20 Jan 25, 2008
"The Episcoipal denomination is no longer a Christian
church.

They've become a pagan "church" !"

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I agree

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#22 Jan 26, 2008
The DataRat wrote:
.
"Do you know
what an
abomination is?
It means unclean
and was 'cured'
by a ritual bath."
.
There we have it ! A guy who doesn't believe the
Bible telling us what the Bible means !
Gotta love it.
.
.
"Where did Jesus
say this ?"
.
We've already cited you God's Word... chapter and
verse.
But the Bible is a closed book to the unregenerate
like yourself.
.
The DataRat
analogia totius scripturae
.
There we have it, a self professed Pharisee who doesn't understand Mosaic Law. No wonder you're 'retired'.

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