Angel Trees and mothers on foodstamps

Angel Trees and mothers on foodstamps

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u got my attention

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Dec 14, 2010
I'm curious as to how many of the mothers that signed up for the angel tree really can't provide presents for their children. Today makes a week at my new job and just about all the mothers I work with receive medicaid and food stamps. The main topic of conversation during break time is what so and so is getting for her live in boyfriend. One said she has thousand dollar rims hid in the closet for her boyfriend. Most of them also bought expensive electronics for their men instead of their children. One said she had signed her 3 kids up for the angel tree so she had her whole check to blow. Another even joked about how the angel tree gifts made number 30 of how many gifts her child would get.Most of these ladies have it so much easier then the moms who have no children. Another topic is how many parties their attending or plan on having with unlimited amount of booze. From what I understand to be eligible for the angel tree, one must be considered low income which makes them eligible to receive help from the government but in the short time I've worked with these girls, they seem to not care that some are in need more then they are. Many of these mothers are the very ones most of us complained about on the many lone star card threads. I don't mean to sound like a Grinch but it makes me wonder why they even signed up when all their doing is taking advantage of people's good hearts.
u got my attention

Fort Worth, TX

#2 Dec 14, 2010
TYPO... Moms who have no children at home or women who have no children.

“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 10

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#3 Dec 14, 2010
Unfortunately some people have no conscience.
A Question

Dallas, TX

#4 Dec 14, 2010
I volunteer at a clothes closet for our local schools. Sometimes people donate new clothing, complete with tags. We take the tags off, so the parents can't take the clothing back to the store and get credit to buy other things. The store credit can be used to buy cigarettes and beer.

The same thing happens with many of the people that receive $25.00 gift certificates for their children for Christmas. The money is NOT used on the children.

These people will even take toys back for store credit.

That's one of the reasons stores like WalMart only let you have a limited number of returns without a receipt in a six month period.

Sad, but true.

I would never pick an angel off the tree. I don't doubt that these parents are signed up for every charity available. It is pure GREED.
santas helper

Paris, TX

#5 Dec 14, 2010
A Question wrote:
I volunteer at a clothes closet for our local schools. Sometimes people donate new clothing, complete with tags. We take the tags off, so the parents can't take the clothing back to the store and get credit to buy other things. The store credit can be used to buy cigarettes and beer.
The same thing happens with many of the people that receive $25.00 gift certificates for their children for Christmas. The money is NOT used on the children.
These people will even take toys back for store credit.
That's one of the reasons stores like WalMart only let you have a limited number of returns without a receipt in a six month period.
Sad, but true.
I would never pick an angel off the tree. I don't doubt that these parents are signed up for every charity available. It is pure GREED.
I truly beleive there are parents who are not able to provide a Chirstmas for their children. I was one of those. I went to school and graduated from college. At present, the position I have I see it everyday. I also see those who do take advantage of the system. However, you see the parents who work hard at two jobs but do not have enough money to pay to have new tires on their car or even think about Christmas presents. I was once one of those parents who worked hard and there was never enough money to buy Christmas. I was very fortunate to have supportive grandparents on both sides who bought for my children. My ex husband was nowhere to be found. I honestly beleive there are worthy people that can be helped. I dont believe everyone that gets on the angel tree are greedy. Ask any teacher who sees children everyday who are in need of coats or even shoes their parents are unable to afford?
A Question

Dallas, TX

#6 Dec 14, 2010
santas helper wrote:
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I truly beleive there are parents who are not able to provide a Chirstmas for their children. I was one of those. I went to school and graduated from college. At present, the position I have I see it everyday. I also see those who do take advantage of the system. However, you see the parents who work hard at two jobs but do not have enough money to pay to have new tires on their car or even think about Christmas presents. I was once one of those parents who worked hard and there was never enough money to buy Christmas. I was very fortunate to have supportive grandparents on both sides who bought for my children. My ex husband was nowhere to be found. I honestly beleive there are worthy people that can be helped. I dont believe everyone that gets on the angel tree are greedy. Ask any teacher who sees children everyday who are in need of coats or even shoes their parents are unable to afford?
We, through the clothes closet help provide coats and shoes for the children that need them, also new socks and underwear. The teachers help direct us to children that are in need. What we do helps children year-round, not just the month of December.

Who does the vetting for the angel tree? How do you know how many charities they have signed up with? If you feel they are not greedy, pick an angel and do your bit. I choose not to, due to the reasons already explained above.



baby

Irving, TX

#7 Dec 14, 2010
A Question wrote:
I volunteer at a clothes closet for our local schools. Sometimes people donate new clothing, complete with tags. We take the tags off, so the parents can't take the clothing back to the store and get credit to buy other things. The store credit can be used to buy cigarettes and beer.
The same thing happens with many of the people that receive $25.00 gift certificates for their children for Christmas. The money is NOT used on the children.
These people will even take toys back for store credit.
That's one of the reasons stores like WalMart only let you have a limited number of returns without a receipt in a six month period.
Sad, but true.
I would never pick an angel off the tree. I don't doubt that these parents are signed up for every charity available. It is pure GREED.
I would NEVER buy for the ANgel Tree either. MOST of the mothers are lazy and living off the government, BUT I would still buy for the Angel Tree if I thought the needy children would recieve the gifts but they don't
manypeople got thatcall

United States

#8 Dec 14, 2010
I was picking up my child at Aikin this afternoon and saw a man with Angel Tree gifts and he walked out and got in a new truck - nice phone he was chatting on too - yep in a school zone. I was told that Aikin reports to other charities and makes sure the Angel tree kids are not signed up on every tree in town - but I've heard that some people sign their kids up at school thru mom and then dad signs them up under his name at other local spots. And what is sad - people wonder why the spirit of giving is gone!
elf

Paris, TX

#9 Dec 14, 2010
u got my attention wrote:
I'm curious as to how many of the mothers that signed up for the angel tree really can't provide presents for their children. Today makes a week at my new job and just about all the mothers I work with receive medicaid and food stamps. The main topic of conversation during break time is what so and so is getting for her live in boyfriend. One said she has thousand dollar rims hid in the closet for her boyfriend. Most of them also bought expensive electronics for their men instead of their children. One said she had signed her 3 kids up for the angel tree so she had her whole check to blow. Another even joked about how the angel tree gifts made number 30 of how many gifts her child would get.Most of these ladies have it so much easier then the moms who have no children. Another topic is how many parties their attending or plan on having with unlimited amount of booze. From what I understand to be eligible for the angel tree, one must be considered low income which makes them eligible to receive help from the government but in the short time I've worked with these girls, they seem to not care that some are in need more then they are. Many of these mothers are the very ones most of us complained about on the many lone star card threads. I don't mean to sound like a Grinch but it makes me wonder why they even signed up when all their doing is taking advantage of people's good hearts.
I watched as a mother returned an entire basket of toys to WalMart last year for the cash. Made me wonder about the whole thing and if her kids ever saw the gifts intended for them.

Yes, I did purchase an Angel Tree gift this year despite being disgusted with the system that seems to reward irresponsible behavior. I did it because the gift was a clothing item rather than a toy.
Toys for Tots volunteer

Paris, TX

#10 Dec 14, 2010
I completely understand where you all are coming from. It's very frustrating to think that there are people out there who sign up for benefits and don't need them and those who really do are often too proud to ask for help. Unfortunately, we can't always weed out all the ones who are greedy. We can however, do our best to be good stewards of the communities generosity by working together to prevent double dipping.
That being said, I want you all to know that Toys for Tots, Salvation Army, NETO, local churches and schools, CASA, Children's Advocacy and others work closely together to make sure we aren't serving the same families. We also black out barcodes to prevent returns to stores.
I sincerely ask that you consider donating to any of these organizations, especially this time of year. I know it can be frustrating, but don't let that be an excuse to stop doing good. Do what you feel called to do, and let God sort out those taking and don't need it.
P.S. Toys for Tots is having a toy drive this Saturday, Dec. 18th from 8 a.m.-noon at Paris Coffee. Marines will be on hand to receive toys and Santa will also be there from 9-11.
Merry Christmas!!
stormfront

Dallas, TX

#11 Dec 14, 2010
Charity (giving to a third party to give to a stranger) is un-natural un-helpful and evil because it contributes to the de-humanization of people.

If I saw a hungry child, I would most certainly feed him/her..But I would never give to a stranger to pass on to another stranger, it's just another one of Big Brothers scams to further divide and oppress people

Help someone you know personally, or if you don't know anyone who needs help and you've got the money...Find someone! Make a personal connection.

Then you will REALLY be helping someone and making the world a better place
u got my attention

Fort Worth, TX

#12 Dec 14, 2010
Toys for Tots volunteer wrote:
I completely understand where you all are coming from. It's very frustrating to think that there are people out there who sign up for benefits and don't need them and those who really do are often too proud to ask for help. Unfortunately, we can't always weed out all the ones who are greedy. We can however, do our best to be good stewards of the communities generosity by working together to prevent double dipping.
That being said, I want you all to know that Toys for Tots, Salvation Army, NETO, local churches and schools, CASA, Children's Advocacy and others work closely together to make sure we aren't serving the same families. We also black out barcodes to prevent returns to stores.
I sincerely ask that you consider donating to any of these organizations, especially this time of year. I know it can be frustrating, but don't let that be an excuse to stop doing good. Do what you feel called to do, and let God sort out those taking and don't need it.
P.S. Toys for Tots is having a toy drive this Saturday, Dec. 18th from 8 a.m.-noon at Paris Coffee. Marines will be on hand to receive toys and Santa will also be there from 9-11.
Merry Christmas!!
My thread was not meant to keep others from giving.I hope you did not see it as such. I was so frustrated to hear all the talk about how my co-workers take advantage of something that was initially started to help people in their income bracket. It also seems that their are many in our community that have small children and Christmas will be tight for them also yet due to their income, they don't qualify for any type of assistance at Christmas time. I know of one lady who after paying this months bill and buying groceries, there was hardly any money left over to buy gifts for her parents and grown children. So you can understand my frustrations at these "mothers' when so many in our community need help also. Prices keep going up and our paychecks stay the same. I also understand how hard it is to weed out the ones that my thread is about. When I hear all the bragging about expensive gifts then I want to scream out "If you are able to buy that gold chain,Ipod,a 200 dollar pair of shoes for him, why can't you buy for your children? I'm off my soapbox now and I want to say Thank You for what these organizations do to help.
Jazz Medina

Waterloo, Canada

#13 Dec 14, 2010
u got my attention wrote:
I'm curious as to how many of the mothers that signed up for the angel tree really can't provide presents for their children. Today makes a week at my new job and just about all the mothers I work with receive medicaid and food stamps. The main topic of conversation during break time is what so and so is getting for her live in boyfriend. One said she has thousand dollar rims hid in the closet for her boyfriend. Most of them also bought expensive electronics for their men instead of their children. One said she had signed her 3 kids up for the angel tree so she had her whole check to blow. Another even joked about how the angel tree gifts made number 30 of how many gifts her child would get.Most of these ladies have it so much easier then the moms who have no children. Another topic is how many parties their attending or plan on having with unlimited amount of booze. From what I understand to be eligible for the angel tree, one must be considered low income which makes them eligible to receive help from the government but in the short time I've worked with these girls, they seem to not care that some are in need more then they are. Many of these mothers are the very ones most of us complained about on the many lone star card threads. I don't mean to sound like a Grinch but it makes me wonder why they even signed up when all their doing is taking advantage of people's good hearts.
Sounds very familiar! Like a wholesale co in NW Paris?
Amazed

Paris, TX

#14 Dec 14, 2010
I volunteer to help some of these families and many charities as well. While there are some who abuse the system, there are many safeguards in place to limit the amount of abuse that can occur. Walmart does not give cash back unless there is a receipt, and cash or check was used for the purchase. If a card was used, they'll put it back on the card that was used (yes, I know that items can be returned for in-store credit, but in-store gift cards cannot be used for tobacco or alcohol).

It's not right to punish the kids if the parents are scum.

Remove the tags and the barcodes from gifts that you give, and know that most, if not all, of the angel tree families are screened by organizations to keep this very thing from happening.
A Question

Dallas, TX

#15 Dec 14, 2010
Toys for Tots volunteer wrote:
I completely understand where you all are coming from. It's very frustrating to think that there are people out there who sign up for benefits and don't need them and those who really do are often too proud to ask for help. Unfortunately, we can't always weed out all the ones who are greedy. We can however, do our best to be good stewards of the communities generosity by working together to prevent double dipping.
That being said, I want you all to know that Toys for Tots, Salvation Army, NETO, local churches and schools, CASA, Children's Advocacy and others work closely together to make sure we aren't serving the same families. We also black out barcodes to prevent returns to stores.
I sincerely ask that you consider donating to any of these organizations, especially this time of year. I know it can be frustrating, but don't let that be an excuse to stop doing good. Do what you feel called to do, and let God sort out those taking and don't need it.
P.S. Toys for Tots is having a toy drive this Saturday, Dec. 18th from 8 a.m.-noon at Paris Coffee. Marines will be on hand to receive toys and Santa will also be there from 9-11.
Merry Christmas!!
I don't believe blocking out a barcode will prevent them from taking it to the stores for a credit. The credit amount is put on a card that looks just like a debit or credit card. When they check out with their cigarettes and beer, they swipe the card and no one is the wiser.

It's pretty hard to beat the scam network. They all talk together and share ways to get everything possible from every available resource. Guarantee, every one of the girls that the first poster mentioned buying things for their live-in boyfriends are on Section 8 housing, which prohibits having anyone live in the house except the mother and her children. So, they are committing fraud when they have the boyfriend living with them. Report them, and nothing will be done.

justanothergal

Paris, TX

#16 Dec 14, 2010
I know there are kids who do without Christmas and it's sad. But one area that we seems to forget is our elderly. There are many elderly in nursing homes that have no one to prodive for them or much less buy them a present fot Christmas. Please don't forget the elderly of your community, call your local nursing homes and adopt an elderly person for Christmas. The bible instructs us to take care of the elderly too.. Merry Cristmas
sad

Clarksville, TX

#17 Dec 14, 2010
Its sad that people do this. I had to look in my kids eyes this year and tell them that maoney is tight and unlike all the other years it would not be much of gift giving. I tried to explain it the best I could. (We are not on the angel tree nor have we ever been.) My youngest looked up at me and told me she wanted a bike for Christmas and if that was the only gift she got then that would be fine. She told me it didnt matter if it was new or used, as long as she was able to ride it. So when I hear people taking advantage of things like the angel tree its just upsetting.
A Question

Dallas, TX

#18 Dec 14, 2010
Amazed wrote:
I volunteer to help some of these families and many charities as well. While there are some who abuse the system, there are many safeguards in place to limit the amount of abuse that can occur. Walmart does not give cash back unless there is a receipt, and cash or check was used for the purchase. If a card was used, they'll put it back on the card that was used (yes, I know that items can be returned for in-store credit, but in-store gift cards cannot be used for tobacco or alcohol).
It's not right to punish the kids if the parents are scum.
Remove the tags and the barcodes from gifts that you give, and know that most, if not all, of the angel tree families are screened by organizations to keep this very thing from happening.
I just called Walmart and asked them if I had a store credit, if I could purchase anything in the store? Answer: Yes Can I purchase cigarettes or beer? Yes, it can even be used for gasoline out at the pumps.

I asked them if an item I had received as a gift had the barcode marked out, could I bring it back for a credit? Yes

I asked if someone gives me a WalMart giftcard can I use it for cigarettes or alcohol? Yes, you can even use it for on-line purchases.

I know from personal experience that you can return an item to WalMart for store credit, even if all the tags are removed.

Since much of the information you have given is false, how are we to believe you when you talk about safeguards being in place? You have presented a very poor case.
A Question

Dallas, TX

#19 Dec 14, 2010
justanothergal wrote:
I know there are kids who do without Christmas and it's sad. But one area that we seems to forget is our elderly. There are many elderly in nursing homes that have no one to prodive for them or much less buy them a present fot Christmas. Please don't forget the elderly of your community, call your local nursing homes and adopt an elderly person for Christmas. The bible instructs us to take care of the elderly too.. Merry Cristmas
Excellent post!
A Question

Dallas, TX

#20 Dec 14, 2010
sad wrote:
Its sad that people do this. I had to look in my kids eyes this year and tell them that maoney is tight and unlike all the other years it would not be much of gift giving. I tried to explain it the best I could.(We are not on the angel tree nor have we ever been.) My youngest looked up at me and told me she wanted a bike for Christmas and if that was the only gift she got then that would be fine. She told me it didnt matter if it was new or used, as long as she was able to ride it. So when I hear people taking advantage of things like the angel tree its just upsetting.
People put much too much emphasis on Christmas gifts. A bike is a pretty expensive item to ask for. I always wanted a bike when I was a child, but knew we didn't have the money, so I never asked for one. Do what you can and don't feel guilty.

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