Texas has filed a petition to secede ...
bob

United States

#42 Nov 12, 2012
I think you all have forgotten how our constitution gives us the right acually it is our duty to keep the federal government in check with our constitution. As of the past several years we have failed that duty. The military of the us government belongs to the tax paying citizens of this great nation. Not the Administration

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#43 Nov 12, 2012
bob wrote:
I think you all have forgotten how our constitution gives us the right acually it is our duty to keep the federal government in check with our constitution. As of the past several years we have failed that duty. The military of the us government belongs to the tax paying citizens of this great nation. Not the Administration
Show where in YOUR Constitution you feel you have the rights described.

I'll even do the hard work for you. Here is a copy of the Texas Constitution. Just find the section.
http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/
heartandmind

Europe

#44 Nov 12, 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the...
"Texas v. White[53] was argued before the United States Supreme Court during the December 1868 term. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase read the Court's decision, on April 15, 1869.[54] Australian Professors Peter Radan and Aleksandar Pavkovic write:
Chase,[Chief Justice], ruled in favor of Texas on the ground that the Confederate state government in Texas had no legal existence on the basis that the secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The critical finding underpinning the ruling that Texas could not secede from the United States was that, following its admission to the United States in 1845, Texas had become part of "an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states." In practical terms, this meant that Texas has never seceded from the United States.[55]
However, the Court's decision recognized some possibility of the divisibility "through revolution, or through consent of the States".[55][56]
In 1877, the Williams v. Bruffy[57] decision was rendered, pertaining to civil war debts. The Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation."[55][58]
Historian Kenneth Stampp notes that a historical case against secession had been made that argued that "the Union is older than the states" and that "the provision for a perpetual Union in the Articles of Confederation" was carried over into the Constitution by the "reminder that the preamble to the new Constitution gives us one of its purposes the formation of 'a more perfect Union."[24] Concerning the White decision Stampp wrote:
In 1869, when the Supreme Court, in Texas v. White, finally rejected as untenable the case for a constitutional right of secession, it stressed this historical argument. The Union, the Court said, "never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation." Rather, "It began among the Colonies....It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation."[24]"
heartandmind

Europe

#45 Nov 12, 2012
also, recent attempted state secessions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the...

"Some states have movements which see secession from the United States itself and the formation of a nation from one or more states.
Alaska: In November 2006, the Alaska Supreme Court held in the case Kohlhaas v. State that secession was illegal, and refused to permit an initiative to be presented to the people of Alaska for a vote. The Alaskan Independence Party remains a factor in state politics.
California secessionism - This was discussed by involved grassroots movement parties and small activist groups calling for the state to secede from the union, they met in a pro-secessionist meeting in Sacramento on April 15, 2010 to discuss advancing the matter. Source: http://zocalopublicsquare.org/
Florida: The mock 1982 secessionist protest by the Conch Republic in the Florida Keys resulted in an ongoing source of local pride and tourist amusement.
Georgia: On April 1, 2009, the Georgia State Senate passed a resolution 43-1 that affirmed the right of states to nullify federal laws. The resolution also included the assertion that if Congress took certain steps, including restricting firearms or ammunition, the United States government would cease to exist.
Hawaii: The Hawaiian sovereignty movement has a number of active groups that have won some concessions from the state of Hawaii, including the offering of H.R. 258 in March 2011 which removes the words "Treaty of Annexation" from a statue. It has passed a committee recommendation 6-0 thus far.
With the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States to hear District of Columbia v. Heller in late 2007, an early 2008 movement began in Montana involving at least 60 elected officials addressing potential secession if the Second Amendment were interpreted not to grant an individual right, citing its compact with the United States of America.
South Carolina: In May 2010 a group was formed calling itself the Third Palmetto Republic, a reference to the fact that the state claimed to be an independent republic twice before in its history: Once in 1776 and again in 1860. The group was modeled after the Second Vermont Republic and says its aims are for a free and independent South Carolina, and to abstain from any further federations.
Texas Secession Movement: The group Republic of Texas generated national publicity for its controversial actions in the late 1990s. A small group still meets. In April 2009, Rick Perry, the Governor of Texas, raised the issue of secession in disputed comments during a speech at a Tea Party protest saying "Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that...My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."
Vermont: The Second Vermont Republic, founded in 2003, is a loose network of several groups which describes itself as "a nonviolent citizens' network and think tank opposed to the tyranny of Corporate America and the U.S. government, and committed to the peaceful return of Vermont to its status as an independent republic and more broadly the dissolution of the Union." Its "primary objective is to extricate Vermont peacefully from the United States as soon as possible.”[92] They have worked closely with the Middlebury Institute created from a meeting sponsored in Vermont in 2004. On October 28, 2005, activists held the Vermont Independence Conference, "the first statewide convention on secession in the United States since North Carolina voted to secede from the Union on May 20, 1861". They also participated in the 2006 and 2007 Middlebury-organized national secessionist meetings which brought delegates from over a dozen groups."
Gidget

Bay City, TX

#46 Nov 12, 2012
ActuaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only that but 3,294,440 Texans voted for Obama or 41.4% of the voters.
Hey, a lot of those Hispanics are illegal and cannot vote. Texas voted 60% for Romney. Get over it.
Just asken

Clarksville, TX

#47 Nov 12, 2012
Gidget wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, a lot of those Hispanics are illegal and cannot vote. Texas voted 60% for Romney. Get over it.
And yet he lost

Since: Jul 10

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#48 Nov 12, 2012
Gidget wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, a lot of those Hispanics are illegal and cannot vote. Texas voted 60% for Romney. Get over it.
Wrong again in Texas only 58.6% voters for Romney.

Over what?
Uhn uhn uhn

Weatherford, TX

#49 Nov 12, 2012
ActuaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again in Texas only 58.6% voters for Romney.
Over what?
Yo mammy gone whup yo azz fo sassin white people like this. Tch, tch, tch.

Since: Jul 10

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#50 Nov 12, 2012
Uhn uhn uhn wrote:
<quoted text>Yo mammy gone whup yo azz fo sassin white people like this. Tch, tch, tch.
Great debate rebuttal.. I see class let out early at the special school
justanotherguy

Flint, TX

#51 Nov 12, 2012
Not that it means alot but it does prove growing unapproval of this administration. I just heard on the radio that 25 states now have active petitions to seceed. They also said Texas has many more than the 25,000 signatures needed to take it to the next step... Whatever the next step is.
heartandmind

Europe

#52 Nov 12, 2012
in texas v. white, the supreme court stated that is was illegal for a state to secede from the union.

even lincoln calle secession illegal :
"“No State, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union, that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence, within any State or States, against the authority of the United States, are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.”
dramadeal

Austin, TX

#53 Nov 12, 2012
justanotherguy wrote:
Not that it means alot but it does prove growing unapproval of this administration. I just heard on the radio that 25 states now have active petitions to seceed. They also said Texas has many more than the 25,000 signatures needed to take it to the next step... Whatever the next step is.
To actively pursue secession is treason. And should be dealt with as such. By the way, I started a petition to force miscegenation in Paris. It currently holds 10,000,000,000 signatures. Does this mean it is a valid petition?

Since: Jul 10

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#54 Nov 12, 2012
justanotherguy wrote:
Not that it means alot but it does prove growing unapproval of this administration. I just heard on the radio that 25 states now have active petitions to seceed. They also said Texas has many more than the 25,000 signatures needed to take it to the next step... Whatever the next step is.
The next step is to renounce your patriotism, retract your pledge of allegiance, if you are a vet, to betray your oath, then leave this great country to the true Americans.
dramadeal

Austin, TX

#55 Nov 12, 2012
ActuaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
The next step is to renounce your patriotism, retract your pledge of allegiance, if you are a vet, to betray your oath, then leave this great country to the true Americans.
Hoorah!
Just sayen

United States

#56 Nov 12, 2012
I have started a petition to have all the nut bags that post on topix about Texas seceding from the union to castrated and their nuts sent to Rick Perry to be counted and then divided by 2 and if the number exceeded 5 I will whistle Dixie naked on the square
curious

Blossom, TX

#57 Nov 12, 2012
you liberal lemming propagandists are so full of shyt secede is what we did from england it is completely american,and with in the bounds of the us constitution,when the govt.becomes tyrannical it becomes incumbent upon the people to abolish it and replace it or secede from it,part of why we have the 2nd amendment,if you aint willing to fight for liberty and freedom you sure as hell dont deserve either-GOD BLESS US ALL !!!!
Just sayen

United States

#58 Nov 12, 2012
curious wrote:
you liberal lemming propagandists are so full of shyt secede is what we did from england it is completely american,and with in the bounds of the us constitution,when the govt.becomes tyrannical it becomes incumbent upon the people to abolish it and replace it or secede from it,part of why we have the 2nd amendment,if you aint willing to fight for liberty and freedom you sure as hell dont deserve either-GOD BLESS US ALL !!!!
Ok here's one nut. Only need 4 more
curious

Blossom, TX

#59 Nov 12, 2012
my point proven
jeff

Paris, TX

#60 Nov 12, 2012
Well, Actually, I might have to look this up, after work tomorrow..yep! of the few in the U.S. according to some...I still have a job..lol

Since: Jul 10

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#61 Nov 13, 2012
jeff wrote:
Well, Actually, I might have to look this up, after work tomorrow..yep! of the few in the U.S. according to some...I still have a job..lol
I'll be waiting to see what you dig up. You must be one of the lucky ones...only have 1 job. Thanks to republican/corporate greed most people have to work 2 or 3 jobs.

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