Texas has filed a petition to secede ...
jeff

Paris, TX

#22 Nov 11, 2012
God!!! you idiot Fox News Bullies need to understand...you Lost. Texas isn't going anywhere. I am Old, White and a D. There are lots of folks like me that have the good sense to change the channel.
There was a landslide on Bullshit mountain last Tuesday. Learn how to work within the system. The penalty for treason is death you know. That is what your're purporting...Calm down!

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#23 Nov 11, 2012
curious wrote:
texas has 3 branches of the military,plus aircraft manufacturers,bomb mfg.,sea ports,etc. plus the petition was for peaceful withdrawal from the union not succession....no act of war
The minute Texas seceded, the United States would stop all trade with Texas and most businesses there would be forced to withdraw since it would be illegal to do business with an enemy of the US. The economy would collapse almost overnight and Texas would be forced to concede in order to keep the population from revolting.

Since: Jul 10

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#24 Nov 11, 2012
curious wrote:
texas has 3 branches of the military,plus aircraft manufacturers,bomb mfg.,sea ports,etc. plus the petition was for peaceful withdrawal from the union not succession....no act of war
Texas has ZERO branches of the military. No Navy, No Air Force and No army.

The Aircraft and Bomb manufacturing are contracted to the US Government.

There is no Constitution right of succession from the US. It is an Act of War.
Flicka

Wilburton, OK

#25 Nov 11, 2012
I'm fascinated by this topic. As some have already said, Texas can secede if enough people petition the state legislature to do it. It also can according to the Declaration of Independence and the state constitution. Also Texas has all the resources it needs to survive as an independent nation. If the Fed. decided to use military force to stop secession, they would have to carpet bomb Texas, because there would be a man with a gun behind every blade of grass. Regardless of everyone's opinion, those who support secession have a place to go where they could forward the movement. www.texasnationalist.com There is a petition that can be signed there. I encourage those interested to sign that petition and to sign the one at whitehouse.gov Thank you all!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#26 Nov 11, 2012
Flicka wrote:
I'm fascinated by this topic. As some have already said, Texas can secede if enough people petition the state legislature to do it. It also can according to the Declaration of Independence and the state constitution. Also Texas has all the resources it needs to survive as an independent nation. If the Fed. decided to use military force to stop secession, they would have to carpet bomb Texas, because there would be a man with a gun behind every blade of grass. Regardless of everyone's opinion, those who support secession have a place to go where they could forward the movement. www.texasnationalist.com There is a petition that can be signed there. I encourage those interested to sign that petition and to sign the one at whitehouse.gov Thank you all!
Texas is no different from any other state in the union. There is no clause allowing for succession in the Declaration of Independence, nor is there any right in the Constitution.

Forget about carpetbombing, a simple blockade would be sufficient. Texas has been under a severe drought for 3 years now, hard to grow crops to feed your citizens with no water.
Flicka wrote:
because there would be a man with a gun behind every blade of grass.
Are you reading and willing to take up arms against an American citizen?
nappy

Arlington, TX

#27 Nov 11, 2012
If Texas were to.secede, I don't think the rest of the state would want anything to do with Paris. Paris wouldn't contribute anything to the rest of Texas. Paris is practically Oklahoma and just as trashy as Hugo. You white trash are an embarrassment to Texas and embody the stereotype of the ignorant,stupid and backwoods hillbilly.
Just asken

United States

#28 Nov 11, 2012
Flicka wrote:
I'm fascinated by this topic. As some have already said, Texas can secede if enough people petition the state legislature to do it. It also can according to the Declaration of Independence and the state constitution. Also Texas has all the resources it needs to survive as an independent nation. If the Fed. decided to use military force to stop secession, they would have to carpet bomb Texas, because there would be a man with a gun behind every blade of grass. Regardless of everyone's opinion, those who support secession have a place to go where they could forward the movement. www.texasnationalist.com There is a petition that can be signed there. I encourage those interested to sign that petition and to sign the one at whitehouse.gov Thank you all!
That is the stupidest thing I have ever saw in print on topix. And that's a very high bar for stupid
jeff

Paris, TX

#29 Nov 11, 2012
Flicka wrote:
I'm fascinated by this topic. As some have already said, Texas can secede if enough people petition the state legislature to do it. It also can according to the Declaration of Independence and the state constitution. Also Texas has all the resources it needs to survive as an independent nation. If the Fed. decided to use military force to stop secession, they would have to carpet bomb Texas, because there would be a man with a gun behind every blade of grass. Regardless of everyone's opinion, those who support secession have a place to go where they could forward the movement. www.texasnationalist.com There is a petition that can be signed there. I encourage those interested to sign that petition and to sign the one at whitehouse.gov Thank you all!
Well, I guess by now that you realize you are not correct. Go to the 2011 Census. It will become alarmingly clear. Texas isn't going anywhere. Too many Hispanics, 28% too many blacks 12 % and a hell of of lot of us little ol white guys that have pretty good sense. Sorry guy, it won't work...its the Demographics...Again. How inconvient for you.
Flicka

Wilburton, OK

#30 Nov 11, 2012
If Texas leaves the Union, great. If not, oh well. I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to convince any of you what the state can or cannot do. I've done far to much research to be moved by anyone who would call it stupid. One thing I have learned very quickly through this topic and others that I have looked at today, is that most of the people in this area that don't agree with anothers opinion, attack very negatively to a point of being almost vile with name calling. I came here to engage some of you in the arena of ideas. Some of you had better do some serious research. I'm out of here! Good luck to you all.
Sad Facts

Weatherford, TX

#31 Nov 11, 2012
Flicka wrote:
If Texas leaves the Union, great. If not, oh well. I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to convince any of you what the state can or cannot do. I've done far to much research to be moved by anyone who would call it stupid. One thing I have learned very quickly through this topic and others that I have looked at today, is that most of the people in this area that don't agree with anothers opinion, attack very negatively to a point of being almost vile with name calling. I came here to engage some of you in the arena of ideas. Some of you had better do some serious research. I'm out of here! Good luck to you all.
I se your point, but, do you think it's fair for taxpayers to pay for you to have someone come to your home to clean, do your shopping and drive you around so you can leave your home or savings to your children? I don't.
Glad you are okay now but if there wasn't a limit as to what the government will do, we would be paying for everybodys care and wealthy people would take advantage of it. You know thats true. People are greedy .
Sad Facts

Weatherford, TX

#32 Nov 11, 2012
Nobody Gets It wrote:
<quoted text>
The minute Texas seceded, the United States would stop all trade with Texas and most businesses there would be forced to withdraw since it would be illegal to do business with an enemy of the US. The economy would collapse almost overnight and Texas would be forced to concede in order to keep the population from revolting.
Just because Texas seceded does not mean we would be an enemy, dummy. We do business with China, Mexica , japan and many others who are not part of the U.S. but are not enemies either.
Texas could be self suffcient and the unites states would welcome trade.
And the united Stated would depend on Texas heavily.
Having said that, Texas will not secede as the other states depend on us too much and we are possibly the most patriotic state in the union.
Not a good idea to want to secede.
Sad Facts

Weatherford, TX

#33 Nov 11, 2012
To Flica:

Sorry for the above post. Was meant as a response to the thread concerning the government recovering expenses incurred from a homeowner in relation to nursing home care.
jeff

Paris, TX

#34 Nov 11, 2012
I reiterate, you do not have the votes! AARP is agin ya, the Hispanics are agin ya, the Afro Americans are agin ya, all companies that do business in the entire United States , but happen to be based in Texas are Agin ya. All of the Soldiers at Fort Hood are agin ya...There is so much Federal money in this state that you would not believe. Federal Highways, Military bases, Contractors like Lockheed, KBR, and on and on. Forget this Fantasy, Venting is o.k. but Anarchy is not. FYI, Texas can divide into more states, but Secession is not on the table.
Not So

Victoria, TX

#35 Nov 11, 2012
Just sayen wrote:
If you advocate the secession of Texas from the United States of America, u have committed treason. There is no peacefull politcal process by which this can be accomplished. Only by force of arms. To advocate the forcefull overthrow of the duly elected government is treason and u could be hanged if found guilty.
It is not an act of treason to ASK to be allowed to leave the union. To commit treason, one would have to commit an act. Saying that one wants to see their state leave the union is only speech, and thus is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution... or have we lost those already?

In case you are wondering, according to the US Code (Federal Law): "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

I don't see anything in the above LAW that says asking for or advocating for withdrawl from the United States is treason.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/238...
dramadeal

Austin, TX

#36 Nov 11, 2012
My loyalty is to the United States. Not Texas.
dramadeal

Austin, TX

#37 Nov 11, 2012
jeff wrote:
I reiterate, you do not have the votes! AARP is agin ya, the Hispanics are agin ya, the Afro Americans are agin ya, all companies that do business in the entire United States , but happen to be based in Texas are Agin ya. All of the Soldiers at Fort Hood are agin ya...There is so much Federal money in this state that you would not believe. Federal Highways, Military bases, Contractors like Lockheed, KBR, and on and on. Forget this Fantasy, Venting is o.k. but Anarchy is not. FYI, Texas can divide into more states, but Secession is not on the table.
To be honest I wish we would divide into more states. I am curious though I have heard this a few times, but am not sure why people say we can divide into more states?
jeff

Paris, TX

#38 Nov 12, 2012
Texas has an unusual agreement with the United States, due to the fact that Texas was a freestanding Republic before it joined. Per that agreement with the U.S. we can divide into (I think) 6 states. That would give us more representation in Washington. Problem is, this state has all the natural resources, water coal, petroleum, gas, fishing, seashore, mountains, rivers, etc. but it just so happens not all of it is in the same place. I mean, what would you want to give up?? We also have the right to fly our flag at the same level as the U.S. flag. Now, I'm working from memory, so if I am wrong, please somebody correct me. I will tell you that I am a Son of Texas with a GGGGgrandfather that fought in the Revolution.
Just asken

United States

#39 Nov 12, 2012
Not So wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not an act of treason to ASK to be allowed to leave the union. To commit treason, one would have to commit an act. Saying that one wants to see their state leave the union is only speech, and thus is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution... or have we lost those already?
In case you are wondering, according to the US Code (Federal Law): "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
I don't see anything in the above LAW that says asking for or advocating for withdrawl from the United States is treason.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/238...
To ask to withdraw from the union knowing there is no poticial process to do so is to advocate to use of force and to commit treason

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#40 Nov 12, 2012
jeff wrote:
Texas has an unusual agreement with the United States, due to the fact that Texas was a freestanding Republic before it joined. Per that agreement with the U.S. we can divide into (I think) 6 states. That would give us more representation in Washington. Problem is, this state has all the natural resources, water coal, petroleum, gas, fishing, seashore, mountains, rivers, etc. but it just so happens not all of it is in the same place. I mean, what would you want to give up?? We also have the right to fly our flag at the same level as the U.S. flag. Now, I'm working from memory, so if I am wrong, please somebody correct me. I will tell you that I am a Son of Texas with a GGGGgrandfather that fought in the Revolution.
There is no agreement or special consideration for Texas.

ALL State flag can be flown at the same height as the USA, Texas is nothing special.

The Republic of Texas, their charter, and structure ceased at the end of the civil war. You have nothing different in special allowances than any other state.

You do have all the natural resources, water coal, petroleum, gas, fishing, seashore, mountains, rivers, but you also have a severe drought that has lasted 3 years and If they were to secede from the US a naval blockade would cripple Texas. You would have no one to buy your beef and oil, and your citizens would starve without food and water.

Since: Feb 12

United States

#41 Nov 12, 2012
Jim Crow wrote:
Can Texas come into this century? Damn.
You first.

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